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When people say its unfair, it is only because you are looking at it without considering what benefits the changes actually allow.
1) Riders don't have to hang it out so much at the beginning of the series, they just have to be sure they are in the top 10.
I believe you would have more of the top riders left at the end of the series. This year in AX we only lost 1 of the top 10 riders due to injury. That really has not ever happened before.
2) If you do get hurt, and you are one of the top riders you can skip a few rounds and still have a chance for the championship.
3) If you are a top new rider you can get some seat time in early and possibly be ready for a championship run at the end with the reset.
4) Riders will have to approach the series differently, and just like any team with a playoffs they will have to pace themselves to peak when the reset begins.
5) Now the end of the season is the most exciting time of the series. They don't have the Superbowl in the middle of the season do they?
I believe this is not a bad change that will wreck the sport as some here have stated, its just different and will just take some time to adjust to. I would start to get use to it though as I really believe you will see it in SX sooner than later, and it will make the series better in the end. Now the suitcase pick in AX is something I would like to see go away as soon as possible!
But of course this is just my 2 cents worth, and what do I know anyway.
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By the way I was curious what affect throwing away the two worst races would have on some of the last championships, and the results do not really change. I skipped 2012 because it was a crazy season with a lot of injuries.
2014 First set is with all points and second set is with the two worst thrown away.
RV 368
RD 304 -64
KR 285 -83
RV 337
RD 291 -46
KR 283 -54
2013
RV 371
DM 338 -33
RD 337 -34
RV 353
DM 312 -41
RD 309 -44
2011 This is the only year where something actually changed, and it is just a swap between 2nd and 3rd place in points.
RV 338
CR 334 -4
RD 328 -10
RV 326
CR 307 -19
RD 311 -15
We would just end up with riders rolling round playing it safe for the start and middle of the championship opposed to maybe playing it safe in the last couple of rounds if they have a title on lock down.
17 Races and they all count, If a race aint going to count for anything but some qualification process why would there be as much interest in it.
I am sure A1-A2 and A3 would be as exciting with no actual championship points on the line - NOT
All races count with championship points. There is no such thing as a race with no points awarded. At the end of the season there is a final point tally. Riders would go all out the ENTIRE season as a win would get them in the championship hunt.
And if you want to see riders rolling around playing it safe take a look at the last few SX races and try and stay awake during the remaining rounds. With the title locked up everyone is trying to stay in one piece for the Nationals,
X amount of riders earn enough points to make it to a chase style race-off for the final few rounds.
Check out the points situation from this year, Take is from say round 10 with the top ten in the RACE FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP over the final seven rounds, these are your top ten riders.
1. Ryan Dungey - 224 Pts
2. Trey Canard - 184 Pts
3. Eli Tomac - 159 Pts
4. Ken Roczen - 156 Pts
5. Chad Reed - 140 Pts
6. Jason Anderson - 140 Pts
7. Cole Seely - 138 Pts
8. Blake Baggett - 135 Pts
9. Andrew Short - 109 Pts
10. Broc Tickle - 107 Pts
So you reset the points, a couple of races in you lose Canard, Roczen is in but he is not racing, yet you can't promote someone else to the chase as Roczen can come back in at any time.
At the same time do the riders in the chase automatically get a start in the main event leaving 12 spots on the gates for riders to piss around with getting in the way of the RACE FOR THE TITLE.
You then have the rest of the field including Millsaps, Peick, Barcia, Grant out there racing for what?
Even if at round 10 you took the top 20 in points, and re-set for the final 7 rounds, what do you do, just allow the top 20 for the final 7 rounds line up for the main event and scrap heats and main events.
SX and MX are still what I would class as a mans moto sport, 17 rounds (12 rounds 24 motos for MX) all points count best man wins.
Not re-set halfway through to give someone that sucked in the first half of the year a chance to win.
If you are bored with SX by round this time of the season, maybe you are not as much of a fan of the sport as you think you are!
The racing has still been good. Having a chase at the moment would make no difference, would still be the same guys out there going for it each week.
Plus there is only one rider out there riding around to ensure he wraps up the title, that is Dungey, every other rider is doing all they can to pick up race wins before the season ends. Fuck after next weekend Dungey could have the title, and certainly by the week after, then every rider will be lining up with only one thing on the line, the WIN for the round. What more can you ask for.
NASCAR begins its chase earlier than SX would because they have 40+ races a year.
SX would reset with around 3 rounds to go. You would then have 10 riders going for a title. Wins usually get,you,a bonus point for the Chase so every race would be hard fought for the win leading up to the Chase. The riders you mentioned who would,have nothing to race for,would be still going for points as points are still paid at chase rounds.
You would not eliminate heats or semis. The races would be ran as they are now.
And why would you say Moto is a mans moto sport? If you ask me auto racing is filled with more men the MX/SX which is primarily made up of what I would consider young kids. Drivers like Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel are most likely much better trained athletes than what you will find in MX
Going by those provisions you would be looking at at least a 5 round chase for SX and with SX having a much higher percentage of the top contenders sidelined during injury each year compared to Arenacross, it is completely feasible that you would be missing 20-50% of the chase field by Vegas!
Back to my other point which I think illustrates that you are not a big fan of the sport.
You really think Dungey and co don't put in as much work as the F1 guys? You serious with that? You think they hire guys like Baker to just sit around. You are talking about riders that have to put in a full 17 race Supercross series and 12 round outdoor championship plus maybe a couple more races during the year in one of, if not the most physically demanding sports on the planet!
I think you would find the top guys in MX/SX who are serious about winning would be training and putting in every bit as much effort as any top sportsman in any field.
Plus why use F1 for your argument, a series that has success year after year with the tried and tested format of motorsport racing when racing for a championship. EVERY RACE COUNTS. Not giving riders / drivers who can't put a full season together a chance to win because the figure things out for less then 1/3 of the season at the end of it.
People keep saying SX needs change, isnt the sport as healthy as it has been in a long long time, apart from maybe the guys who make up the 22 man starting gate still paying their own way. But hey I guess a chase system where they are completely forgotten about all together should help the privateers a little more right. But lets make sure they are there at the start to ensure the 22 gates are full to put on the show.
Have a five round SX series to kick off the season, then head outdoors for a 5 weekend series, but that would mean 10 motos, so maybe to keep it exciting just have three rounds.
8 Weekends of racing, every championship goes to the final race and everyone is happy. Done and Done
I think they've got bigger issues than the championship format but they're probably no less likely to be tackled either
To say MX riders are on par with F1 drivers in regards to training is foolish. Maybe 9-10 riders in this sport attempt a training regimen that would rival F1 but the rest of the field is not even close. Even some pudgy NASCAR drivers and the fit little girl that races her go daddy car have incredible stamina. This is in reference that you feel MX is a "mans" sport. Sure it is tough and I will not dispute that but it is also a sport that is enjoyed by little girls and boys so if you think it makes you more of a man than go ahead and believe that. Being a man is what you are about off the track.
In regards to privateers. A chase format would have ZERO effect on a privateer and his earnings or final position in the standings.
Most of you guys are ignoring that your typical sports playoffs are also elimination events. You lose, you're out. That's about the only way I could get behind some alternative system for supercross. You collect points to a certain round in the series, the top # of guys make playoffs, then elimination series start and points don't matter. Last race of the season is for the championship with a whittled down field.
I don't like it as it creates a whole host of other problems, but a mid season points reset is just dumb. NASCAR only did it because nothing about NASCAR is exciting.
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& Supercross is not boring? next week Webb will win then either Tomac or Dungey, don't think Kenny will
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Yeah, we got 2 motos on one channel then 2 on another channel, what a way to build the sport of motocross.
Run timed practice for gate positions, then start 40 bikes on a supercross track
2 rows of 20, it would be fun to watch, 30 minutes plus 2 laps, you get lapped twice you get black flagged
2 motos each class 45 minutes between 250 moto 1 & 450 moto 1 that way it's a 3 hour format still.
seriously just change the points spread, 5 points more between 1st. & 2nd & so on...
1 point for a heat win, 1 point for the pole.
All we get are MX companies buying advertising. No Beer companies even want us.
We don't race on Easter weekend because the Gorilla in the room (NCAA Final 4) is dominating TV and sports bars.
Which draws more viewers? NBA 7 game series or NCAA 1 (loss) and done?
Undefeated Kentucky is out. We don't care about the whole season, who is best at the end?
We draw viewers worse than hunting and fishing channels.
The show is weak. I am a lifelong fan and never miss an "episode" I mean race.
This SX series started IN A FOOTBALL STADIUM. It is not some big tradition thing. It is a SHOW.
The factories are what keep it alive buying advertising and paying riders and they rule it.
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The number of points awarded per position is arbitrary. The number of riders qualifying through the heats is arbitrary; it just changed last year. Even heats and LCQ's themselves, as I hope I demonstrated above, are arbitrary.
A countdown clock instead of a lap counter. The +2 at the end of a moto. Outsiders to the sport probably see this stuff and think What in the fuck?
That's why I don't get off on championships as explosively as a lot of you, and then you get all bent out of shape: the points system was purpose-built so things like mechanical DNF's are factored right in with everything else, which means when looking at a champion you're also factoring in how solid his bike was, etc. I don't care how solid his bike was. I'm interested in the riding.
If we suddenly bolted a 'Chase' system onto the end of this current series and it somehow screwed Dungey, then that's obviously unfairly arbitrary, but I don't really find anything unreasonable or unfair about a system implemented from the start of a season, where each rider knows what the deal is going into it.
Let's split the season... and you throw away total of 3 results:... 2 from first half and 1 from second half. BUT... the throwaway from second half of season MUST be in middle of "first ones". For example.. you throw away 10th place from second half... then your throwaways from first half must be - one of them worse than 10th place and second one BETTER than 10th?
Ahhhh... I'm too drunk to figure it out. Nevermind.... ... back to my beer now...
Make the heat races fairly significant so it mixes things up. Lots of different guys are capable of winning heat races. Like 10 points for a heat win, 5 for second, 3 for third, and 1 for fourth.
There is a lot of untapped potential. It's just that people have to be willing to be open minded.
The training side of things we are going to have to disagree on, sure different motosports would require different forms of training and a focus on different areas, but not for a second would I say that the top F1 drivers train harder than the worlds top MX riders, if that was the case there would be a rider out there willing to train even harder than the current riders to find that edge to win.
Just because a sport like F1 is more mainstream and everyone knows about it does not mean they train harder than any other top level sportsperson in the world.
I would not be surprised if F1 drivers were a lot like MX racers.... Rely on natural talent and some training while young, train super hard and focused while on their way to proving them selves then once they have the experience can not so much back down their training, but know what is needed to be done to get the job done.
It would actually be cool to see how similar F1 drivers and top MX riders trained. Both need to be mindful of weight (F1 more so) both need crazy endurance, F1 drivers more so on the mental side of things, going flat out for 2+ hours in a race, both need strength to go along with the endurance.
As for a Race to the championship type deal. Obviously we are never going to agree.
I just don't see the point of having races that don't count towards the championship at the end of the day.
Quick question for you, would you like to see the same thing done for the Motocross Championship, either way why or why not?
The same with F1, would you like to see points re-set before the final 5 races of the season.
I just can't see the need for change in SX especially when it seems to be going along pretty strongly at the moment. Maybe points for heat race wins to encourage riders to go for the win, but even then you take the risk of turning it into more of an entertainment compared to what it is now..... The only legitimate Supercross championship in the world right now.
You would be limited to what was available to watch for sure
And no I would not want change for 'MX Nationals or the GPs.
SX is such a joke with the sand pits n over unders and heats n semis. That is why I don't think it would mess with the integrity of the sport because to me there is none even as it exist
Anyway nice debating with you and sorry to get worked up. Have a good one Aaryn
When you can't sell advertising outside of your own industry you have a problem.
If it weren't for energy drinks this sport would be in the crapper.
We need fans that don't know the word moto or 450cc.
You bunch of die hards like me aren't going to quit watching and attending if they change the format.
Does the team with the best record automatically get crowned Super Bowl Champion?
College Football finally has a mini playoff after years of stupid bowl games and polls.
Get onboard or get left in the past.
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