What's eating Ryan Villopoto?

XR75_Flamethrower wrote:

Exactly, I haven't seen the US races in 2013 that Clement D and K Strijbos mentioned to often. Clement Desalle is running up front consistently the...

Exactly, I haven't seen the US races in 2013 that Clement D and K Strijbos mentioned to often. Clement Desalle is running up front consistently the first 3 GPs this year, has the red plate and he wasn't exactly near the podium nor was Kevin S when they did a few US Nationals....

RG95 wrote:

Just like Dungey (supposed to be the 2nd faster american rider) every year struggling top ten in the MXoN ? Doesn't anyone mention that? about Desalle...

Just like Dungey (supposed to be the 2nd faster american rider) every year struggling top ten in the MXoN ? Doesn't anyone mention that?

about Desalle in 2013: he didn't come to race the national to win, it was just a test race for the Suzuki team and if I'm not wrong it was a stock bike without any test made on it (even because of the different bike rules of the AMA championship I don't know if you get what I'm talking about).

Also, is it just me or do I remember a 3rd place for Desalle at Washougal 2009? I have to say that in 2009 he was very very slow compared to nowadays

Lea73 wrote:

Guys. ...3 Races are not enough as a reliable benchmark. Not for Desalle and not for Villo.

TMV wrote:

Faster yes. But faster doesn't necessarly means tougher. Someoone who is used to ride technical slower tracks will struggle adapting to faster tracks where you have...

Faster yes. But faster doesn't necessarly means tougher. Someoone who is used to ride technical slower tracks will struggle adapting to faster tracks where you have to go all balls out and vice versa.

Someone said in this false Ryan vs KRT debate that Ryan has his own riding style and he shouldn't have to change his way of riding but guess what, Ryan is riding just like he used to in th US, stiff bike and all balls out on the outside and it doesn't work.

Maybe it's the track design, but what used to work in the US just doesn't work as good on the GP tracks. I even noticed that every guys that were in front of him (and not just them) were using a lot more the inside lines and that those lines were just as fast or even faster. Inside line often without ruts, just momentum so I guess, yes it's a compromise, KRT has to adapt the bike to Ryan's need but Ryan has to change his way of riding too.

As awesome as he is, he's in the learning process and even if he knows his shit like nobody else, he has a ton to learn right now just like GP guys have a ton to learn the other way even if they come with a world title.

And for mx219, concerning the tracks, 2 out of 3 were completely new to everyone...

The Source wrote:

When RV forms his own Independent team like DP19 he can have any setting he believes will work for him. RV is just a hired rider...

When RV forms his own Independent team like DP19 he can have any setting he believes will work for him. RV is just a hired rider on the flagship Kawasaki Factory Racing Team. This team has been developing & engineering the Kawasaki bikes on your showroom floor for years. They have no production rule to follow like in the AMA, they can design and build any bike RV can dream of. RV's lack of experience in the GP's has become painfully visible in the ongoing bewilderment of finding "settings" that work considering that KRT has had no prior problems having a GP level bike on the gate.The only major change to the KRT team has been the replacement of their riders for this season, connect the dots.

fullysicmate wrote:

Good point here. I dont think theres too many people in USA that realise a world championship is a greater accomplishment than a national title though...

Good point here.

I dont think theres too many people in USA that realise a world championship is a greater accomplishment than a national title though. To someone outside the sport this may be obvious.

philG wrote:

Who are you , and what have you done with Keyboardwarrior. Following racing from both sides of the pond for the last 35 years gives you...

Who are you , and what have you done with Keyboardwarrior.

Following racing from both sides of the pond for the last 35 years gives you that knowledge.

I hope that this RV thing shows a few people just how good the likes of Lackey , Laporte, Schmit, Moore and Parker really were , they were here when the fields were huge and deep, and rather than not being abe to cut it in the US , I always felt that all of those guys were just riders that didn't want to spend half the year trying not to get hurt riding SX .. and they were pure MX riders who grew up over there , wanting to be a GP champion, a bit like Roczen and Musquin, who always wanted to be an SX champion.

It might be 20 years too late , but those guys might finally get the props they truly deserved.

themrtoad wrote:

Is it so hard for some people here to actually discuss the racing? What's happening 2015 is something unique thanks to RV. Instead you just want...

Is it so hard for some people here to actually discuss the racing? What's happening 2015 is something unique thanks to RV. Instead you just want to bring up old results from mxon and private efforts from different riders years back to support one serie is greater than the other. This season will prove which gp rider is the best 2015, nothing more. Enjoy it

fullysicmate wrote:

Good point here. I dont think theres too many people in USA that realise a world championship is a greater accomplishment than a national title though...

Good point here.

I dont think theres too many people in USA that realise a world championship is a greater accomplishment than a national title though. To someone outside the sport this may be obvious.

mikebrownsound wrote:

What ? They are equal , Hard work and good racing and difference in track style. Jesus how can you say that is a better accomplishment...

What ? They are equal , Hard work and good racing and difference in track style. Jesus how can you say that is a better accomplishment..... AMA / MXGP both are great

RY4N37 wrote:

The riders are equal on both sides of the ocean, and the AMA national title is very difficult to win. But I still think you have...

The riders are equal on both sides of the ocean, and the AMA national title is very difficult to win. But I still think you have conquer and master more different variables to become world champ

RY4N37 wrote:

The riders are equal on both sides of the ocean, and the AMA national title is very difficult to win. But I still think you have...

The riders are equal on both sides of the ocean, and the AMA national title is very difficult to win. But I still think you have conquer and master more different variables to become world champ

mikebrownsound wrote:

Yeah well thats your personal opinion and i respect that. For me, i dont compare cause they both got their characteristics and variables, its still racing...

Yeah well thats your personal opinion and i respect that. For me, i dont compare cause they both got their characteristics and variables, its still racing and these guys have been riding motorcycles ever since they would probably say the same, no matter wich series you race it will take bloody hard work and different aspects to be aware of.

RY4N37 wrote:

Yeah totally, they are both incredibly difficult to win in totally different ways. You have to give so much credit to guys like Roczen who've won...

Yeah totally, they are both incredibly difficult to win in totally different ways. You have to give so much credit to guys like Roczen who've won a title on both sides of the pond

Glory wrote:

Look, we have seen guys who have moved across the pond struggle before. Roczen, Marvin, Durham, Searle, Rattray etc. Yet to be seen if Ryan will...

Look, we have seen guys who have moved across the pond struggle before. Roczen, Marvin, Durham, Searle, Rattray etc. Yet to be seen if Ryan will too or if he will have a good year overall.

RY4N37 wrote:

I think it also depends on what you call a good year. I would consider finishing in the top 3 in points a good season for...

I think it also depends on what you call a good year. I would consider finishing in the top 3 in points a good season for RV this season. A few people would consider anything other than victory a failure

RY4N37 wrote:

I think it also depends on what you call a good year. I would consider finishing in the top 3 in points a good season for...

I think it also depends on what you call a good year. I would consider finishing in the top 3 in points a good season for RV this season. A few people would consider anything other than victory a failure

mikebrownsound wrote:

I am mixed with both, its good but not where i expect him to be. I except him to be winning a couple of races and...

I am mixed with both, its good but not where i expect him to be. I except him to be winning a couple of races and maybe hold the top stop in the end of the season. The main threat in the end is Tony, i have no doubt,i respect desalle and hail his performance but in the end , if we look back to 1-2-3-4 years tony is best of the seasons!

peelout wrote:

Ryan just needs to get a little more ripped and tan, missing out on his GLT lifestyle over there in grey Europia

RY4N37 wrote:

Yeah totally, they are both incredibly difficult to win in totally different ways. You have to give so much credit to guys like Roczen who've won...

Yeah totally, they are both incredibly difficult to win in totally different ways. You have to give so much credit to guys like Roczen who've won a title on both sides of the pond

mikebrownsound wrote:

supercross made the difference for him i guess . I wish he stayed one or two more years in europe to win a mx 1 GP...

supercross made the difference for him i guess .

I wish he stayed one or two more years in europe to win a mx 1 GP championship and then went to america. We have yet to see a world champion or AMA champion in the major class to win both series.

Ken Roczen was one i thought who would and could , but woulda shoulda, coulda + Tony., its still possible but i dont think he will go back to europe now.

I dont want to say i feel sry for some riders, but tbh riders like Windham, Desalle, Nagl, Pichon you name it awsome riders had and have to deal with riders like Carmichael, Everts, Cairoli , Stewart, Always some certain individual that is just a noth over the rest of the field and , Carmichael, Everts, Cairoli, Stewart, Villo, in their genre were the best of the best and it almost felt like they were and are unbeatable at times. Can imagine the frustration inside to givei it all you have and just cant bring it to them. But hey thats why they are legends and will be

APLMAN99 wrote:

Albertyn won the "major classes" on both sides of the pond, if we are referring to motocross. And obviously Bayle did quite a number. If you...

Albertyn won the "major classes" on both sides of the pond, if we are referring to motocross. And obviously Bayle did quite a number. If you go back further, LaPorte won both sides also but I'd certainly think that the 500 class was still the premier class over there.

RY4N37 wrote:

Part of me thinks that Desalle is going to mount a serious title challenge this year, but then the other half of me remembers the times...

Part of me thinks that Desalle is going to mount a serious title challenge this year, but then the other half of me remembers the times in the past where he has looked like that and got injured or faded away. I think Cairoli is still the man to beat, but in my opinion if anyone is going to beat him it will be Desalle

RY4N37 wrote:

Part of me thinks that Desalle is going to mount a serious title challenge this year, but then the other half of me remembers the times...

Part of me thinks that Desalle is going to mount a serious title challenge this year, but then the other half of me remembers the times in the past where he has looked like that and got injured or faded away. I think Cairoli is still the man to beat, but in my opinion if anyone is going to beat him it will be Desalle

mikebrownsound wrote:

Well he is doing awful good right now. Solid as a rock. But i still think its to early to judge Villo, he´s been like this...

Well he is doing awful good right now. Solid as a rock. But i still think its to early to judge Villo, he´s been like this in the major class no matter outdoor or sx, slow start , then he pours it on! Glad they are going back to europe. Even do i thought Argentina was cool and well prepared.

TDeath21 wrote:

17 pages. How many circles have been made with arguments and counter arguments?

Is the line for the over/under 5?

RY4N37 wrote:

It's true that RV has started seasons slowly in the past, but I think it's a lot different starting a season slowly back home where he...

It's true that RV has started seasons slowly in the past, but I think it's a lot different starting a season slowly back home where he knows the tracks and all the riders. In starting the season slowly here he's giving up points on tracks where he as at the least disadvantage and putting himself in the position where he has to make it up where his opposition are at their fastest and most comfortable. As I mentioned earlier, all of the next 8 GP's are ones that were won by either Cairoli or Desalle last year, so they will be very confident and very fast. Then you have guys like JvH and Paulin who have had a relatively poor start to the year but will feel much more at home when they start racing back in Europe. Also the likes of Searle and Strijbos returning, it's going to be mightily difficult

RY4N37 wrote:

It's true that RV has started seasons slowly in the past, but I think it's a lot different starting a season slowly back home where he...

It's true that RV has started seasons slowly in the past, but I think it's a lot different starting a season slowly back home where he knows the tracks and all the riders. In starting the season slowly here he's giving up points on tracks where he as at the least disadvantage and putting himself in the position where he has to make it up where his opposition are at their fastest and most comfortable. As I mentioned earlier, all of the next 8 GP's are ones that were won by either Cairoli or Desalle last year, so they will be very confident and very fast. Then you have guys like JvH and Paulin who have had a relatively poor start to the year but will feel much more at home when they start racing back in Europe. Also the likes of Searle and Strijbos returning, it's going to be mightily difficult

yzmatt wrote:

My bad if I did, I wasnt able to read through ever page of this idiocy....

mikebrownsound wrote:

Here read this by TheSource : Something else that's a plus is that while traveling to races you will have a few riders show up at...

Here read this by TheSource : Something else that's a plus is that while traveling to races you will have a few riders show up at little local club tracks in route and practice with the kids watching in a state of awe and shock. Nothing pretentious and that why the fan base in Europe seems to be more knowledgeable and dedicated. Almost every small town has a local club with MX ,Enduro and auto track and having a load of GP riders show up to put in some laps just takes it to a personal level and back to the basic roots of what MX is all about.

RY4N37 wrote:

It's true that RV has started seasons slowly in the past, but I think it's a lot different starting a season slowly back home where he...

It's true that RV has started seasons slowly in the past, but I think it's a lot different starting a season slowly back home where he knows the tracks and all the riders. In starting the season slowly here he's giving up points on tracks where he as at the least disadvantage and putting himself in the position where he has to make it up where his opposition are at their fastest and most comfortable. As I mentioned earlier, all of the next 8 GP's are ones that were won by either Cairoli or Desalle last year, so they will be very confident and very fast. Then you have guys like JvH and Paulin who have had a relatively poor start to the year but will feel much more at home when they start racing back in Europe. Also the likes of Searle and Strijbos returning, it's going to be mightily difficult

ATKpilot99 wrote:

It's also possible RV may do better than expected at these tracks . It's all pure speculation.

RY4N37 wrote:

It's true that RV has started seasons slowly in the past, but I think it's a lot different starting a season slowly back home where he...

It's true that RV has started seasons slowly in the past, but I think it's a lot different starting a season slowly back home where he knows the tracks and all the riders. In starting the season slowly here he's giving up points on tracks where he as at the least disadvantage and putting himself in the position where he has to make it up where his opposition are at their fastest and most comfortable. As I mentioned earlier, all of the next 8 GP's are ones that were won by either Cairoli or Desalle last year, so they will be very confident and very fast. Then you have guys like JvH and Paulin who have had a relatively poor start to the year but will feel much more at home when they start racing back in Europe. Also the likes of Searle and Strijbos returning, it's going to be mightily difficult

mikebrownsound wrote:

it's something I'm very curious about. Since very many including myself believe there should be an advantage to be on the courses that you gone on...

it's something I'm very curious about. Since very many including myself believe there should be an advantage to be on the courses that you gone on before so it will be interesting at the first European round to see if Villopoto has found something with the bike and how he handles these tracks.

Cause he has actually trained in Europe and guaranteed on some of the trails that comes so he knows about how they will be. One should not forget that Villopoto is a champion and he is an expert at learning new tracks. he just needs to learn the format you have in europe and save energy, or they feel like he needs to save energy, he goes all in the qualification and seem to end up in some sort of "wall at the end of the second motos. I mean look at Cairoli Desalle they have already crashed and anything can happen in motocross as we know, i recall cairoli crashed hard 3-4 times last season.

the only thing that sucks is waiting for the next grand pri. to long in between these of non European races and the regular ones!