R. Stewart on safety (Pulp MX show)

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4/1/2015 12:26pm Edited Date/Time 4/1/2015 12:28pm
hvaughn88 wrote:
I actually think they were both right, but it was almost like they weren't arguing the same thing. Ronnie was suggesting things that could change, whereas...
I actually think they were both right, but it was almost like they weren't arguing the same thing. Ronnie was suggesting things that could change, whereas DV seemed like he was just telling it like it is and basically saying nothing is going to change. I agree with both of them. Perhaps DV's delivery was a little rough (and I hate when anyone talks over people), but he didn't sugar coat anything and I appreciate that.
Accepting how it is and remaining the status quo serves no one. DV maybe speaking truth in the present - to make change need people like KW to take bull by the horn. Thank god MLK Jr. did not accept the status quo.
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I liked both Ronnie's and DV's points.

Until the riders have some sort of unified voice I don't see much changing. I'm an actor and part of a union, SAG-AFTRA. The union certainly isn't perfect, but I'm so thankful that back in the 30's a group of performers banned together and formed it. The only time I've had health coverage in my adult life has been through the actors union. I've qualified for a pension through acting, a small one, nothing I could live on, but a pension nonetheless. As I earn more in the future my pension will rise, possibly to an amount I can live on. Obviously, the Film/TV business is much larger than SX/MX.

I hate to see that guys making consistent mains aren't walking away with at least $45-60,000 after expenses...or maybe they are. But again, as DV said, it's a small sport.

I'm glad Pulp covered the topic and it was great to hear Ronnie Stewart POV. I think DV's no nonsense POV is quite valid as well.
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hvaughn88 wrote:
I actually think they were both right, but it was almost like they weren't arguing the same thing. Ronnie was suggesting things that could change, whereas...
I actually think they were both right, but it was almost like they weren't arguing the same thing. Ronnie was suggesting things that could change, whereas DV seemed like he was just telling it like it is and basically saying nothing is going to change. I agree with both of them. Perhaps DV's delivery was a little rough (and I hate when anyone talks over people), but he didn't sugar coat anything and I appreciate that.
bd wrote:
Accepting how it is and remaining the status quo serves no one. DV maybe speaking truth in the present - to make change need people like...
Accepting how it is and remaining the status quo serves no one. DV maybe speaking truth in the present - to make change need people like KW to take bull by the horn. Thank god MLK Jr. did not accept the status quo.
What just happened between us is exactly what happened on the show last night. I get that it serves no one. I understand that a change would be great. I'm just acknowledging what DV pointed out and agree with him that it probably won't change.
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I liked both Ronnie's and DV's points. Until the riders have some sort of unified voice I don't see much changing. I'm an actor and part...
I liked both Ronnie's and DV's points.

Until the riders have some sort of unified voice I don't see much changing. I'm an actor and part of a union, SAG-AFTRA. The union certainly isn't perfect, but I'm so thankful that back in the 30's a group of performers banned together and formed it. The only time I've had health coverage in my adult life has been through the actors union. I've qualified for a pension through acting, a small one, nothing I could live on, but a pension nonetheless. As I earn more in the future my pension will rise, possibly to an amount I can live on. Obviously, the Film/TV business is much larger than SX/MX.

I hate to see that guys making consistent mains aren't walking away with at least $45-60,000 after expenses...or maybe they are. But again, as DV said, it's a small sport.

I'm glad Pulp covered the topic and it was great to hear Ronnie Stewart POV. I think DV's no nonsense POV is quite valid as well.
I think it's cool every time I see your commercial! I always tell my wife "I sort-of know that guy" haha

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hvaughn88 wrote:
I actually think they were both right, but it was almost like they weren't arguing the same thing. Ronnie was suggesting things that could change, whereas...
I actually think they were both right, but it was almost like they weren't arguing the same thing. Ronnie was suggesting things that could change, whereas DV seemed like he was just telling it like it is and basically saying nothing is going to change. I agree with both of them. Perhaps DV's delivery was a little rough (and I hate when anyone talks over people), but he didn't sugar coat anything and I appreciate that.
bd wrote:
Accepting how it is and remaining the status quo serves no one. DV maybe speaking truth in the present - to make change need people like...
Accepting how it is and remaining the status quo serves no one. DV maybe speaking truth in the present - to make change need people like KW to take bull by the horn. Thank god MLK Jr. did not accept the status quo.
hvaughn88 wrote:
What just happened between us is exactly what happened on the show last night. I get that it serves no one. I understand that a change...
What just happened between us is exactly what happened on the show last night. I get that it serves no one. I understand that a change would be great. I'm just acknowledging what DV pointed out and agree with him that it probably won't change.
Important note - was not meant to be attack on you. Just a comment on your post.
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DV's rant on socialism was an instant classic. It was funny. He stated something very important that skews his thoughts on the sport - he hated...
DV's rant on socialism was an instant classic. It was funny. He stated something very important that skews his thoughts on the sport - he hated his job. He hated racing and his view will be skewed. Matthes and Stewart made some very important points - more money for placing in main event and less pressure in AM. That said, live your dream. I rather be broke and live my dream then make some money and hate my life. If you are in the situation where you make a ton of money and hate your life, have a plan to get the fuck out of it.
I don't think DV's POV is "skewed" it's just a real and valid as anyone else's POV I'd say. RV seemed to touch on a similar POV. It was just something he got REALLY good at, but didn't particularly love it and has no problem walking away from when it's over.

I think there are many different points in between "being broke and living a dream" & "making a ton of money and hating your life". I'd gather to say that those are extremes and probably much more rare.

DV may have hated his job, but he also realized that that job could enable him to retire in his 30's in a great financial situation.
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I liked both Ronnie's and DV's points. Until the riders have some sort of unified voice I don't see much changing. I'm an actor and part...
I liked both Ronnie's and DV's points.

Until the riders have some sort of unified voice I don't see much changing. I'm an actor and part of a union, SAG-AFTRA. The union certainly isn't perfect, but I'm so thankful that back in the 30's a group of performers banned together and formed it. The only time I've had health coverage in my adult life has been through the actors union. I've qualified for a pension through acting, a small one, nothing I could live on, but a pension nonetheless. As I earn more in the future my pension will rise, possibly to an amount I can live on. Obviously, the Film/TV business is much larger than SX/MX.

I hate to see that guys making consistent mains aren't walking away with at least $45-60,000 after expenses...or maybe they are. But again, as DV said, it's a small sport.

I'm glad Pulp covered the topic and it was great to hear Ronnie Stewart POV. I think DV's no nonsense POV is quite valid as well.
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I think it's cool every time I see your commercial! I always tell my wife "I sort-of know that guy" haha
Thanks! Time to book some new ones! A brother's gotta eat!
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Stephon wrote:
I liked both Ronnie's and DV's points. Until the riders have some sort of unified voice I don't see much changing. I'm an actor and part...
I liked both Ronnie's and DV's points.

Until the riders have some sort of unified voice I don't see much changing. I'm an actor and part of a union, SAG-AFTRA. The union certainly isn't perfect, but I'm so thankful that back in the 30's a group of performers banned together and formed it. The only time I've had health coverage in my adult life has been through the actors union. I've qualified for a pension through acting, a small one, nothing I could live on, but a pension nonetheless. As I earn more in the future my pension will rise, possibly to an amount I can live on. Obviously, the Film/TV business is much larger than SX/MX.

I hate to see that guys making consistent mains aren't walking away with at least $45-60,000 after expenses...or maybe they are. But again, as DV said, it's a small sport.

I'm glad Pulp covered the topic and it was great to hear Ronnie Stewart POV. I think DV's no nonsense POV is quite valid as well.
hvaughn88 wrote:
I think it's cool every time I see your commercial! I always tell my wife "I sort-of know that guy" haha
Stephon wrote:
Thanks! Time to book some new ones! A brother's gotta eat!
Nice! Anything you can share that I should keep an eye our for?
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DV's rant on socialism was an instant classic. It was funny. He stated something very important that skews his thoughts on the sport - he hated...
DV's rant on socialism was an instant classic. It was funny. He stated something very important that skews his thoughts on the sport - he hated his job. He hated racing and his view will be skewed. Matthes and Stewart made some very important points - more money for placing in main event and less pressure in AM. That said, live your dream. I rather be broke and live my dream then make some money and hate my life. If you are in the situation where you make a ton of money and hate your life, have a plan to get the fuck out of it.
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I don't think DV's POV is "skewed" it's just a real and valid as anyone else's POV I'd say. RV seemed to touch on a similar...
I don't think DV's POV is "skewed" it's just a real and valid as anyone else's POV I'd say. RV seemed to touch on a similar POV. It was just something he got REALLY good at, but didn't particularly love it and has no problem walking away from when it's over.

I think there are many different points in between "being broke and living a dream" & "making a ton of money and hating your life". I'd gather to say that those are extremes and probably much more rare.

DV may have hated his job, but he also realized that that job could enable him to retire in his 30's in a great financial situation.
I do not whether RV hated racing motocross. He got tired of all the obligations. It will be interesting to see his take a few years after he retires. DV clearly stated he hated racing motocross on pulpmx. Are the Lamay and Schmits making more than $50k year (gear, bonus, and incentives).

One of the best things about this sport (1970s-1990s) was its cost to race professionally. Those years are gone. Will state.... the second biggest threat to motocross is cost.
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One thing that's interesting to me is that moto is probably the cheapest of all motorsports, yet is still maybe the smallest of all motorsports.
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DV hates motocross so much that he compiles race stat spreadsheets to go along with his rants about tire pressure, handelbar/lever position, "grips & graphics", "field isn't deep", "stock is better", etc. Laughing
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One thing that's interesting to me is that moto is probably the cheapest of all motorsports, yet is still maybe the smallest of all motorsports.
True. The great news about the stock modern bike...... its good enough for 80% of the AM riders. A 2015 YZ250F is good enough for me. The 1986 RM 250...... well!?!?!

Cart racing starts at what..... $10k?
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I remember seeing a behind the dream episode where I think it was Chisholm on it. He was talking about finances and not making any money. But it showed his home and it was beautiful. What does his wife do? Is she bringing home the bacon or is he making really good money but just wants comparable money to the guys like dungey and stewart? I honestly don't know the answers to these questions. How much do these mid pack riders really make? 70k? If it's close to that then I'd say they're being compensated well enough. The sport isn't big enough to pay the mid to lower pack riders over 100k per year.
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4/1/2015 3:17pm Edited Date/Time 4/1/2015 3:23pm
hvaughn88 wrote:
One thing that's interesting to me is that moto is probably the cheapest of all motorsports, yet is still maybe the smallest of all motorsports.
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True. The great news about the stock modern bike...... its good enough for 80% of the AM riders. A 2015 YZ250F is good enough for me...
True. The great news about the stock modern bike...... its good enough for 80% of the AM riders. A 2015 YZ250F is good enough for me. The 1986 RM 250...... well!?!?!

Cart racing starts at what..... $10k?
You can go Kart racing here for around 5K. Budget setup for a rec racer.. Bikes and Karts cost around the same to race here. Once you have all the gear etc.


Anyone that does want their child to know how to race. Put them in a Kart first. I was one of the slowest riders in my class but the best racer. Top 5 finish the entire season. Didn't clear most jumps lol.

I coach kids. All great little riders. But. No race craft what so ever. In comparison to Kids in Karts. If you don't want to put them in a Kart, play lots of Chess with them.

Great post at the top of the page bd.
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Mondays show was aweome. I love DV when he is co-hosting. No bs from that guy although I disagree with him last night.
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The pressure has always been there. The kids who want to be the next RV or RC put as much, or more, pressure on themselves than...
The pressure has always been there. The kids who want to be the next RV or RC put as much, or more, pressure on themselves than anything else. Throw in a screaming mini-bike dad and you have a recipe for destruction.

Most of these injuries are happening because kids are going from mini bikes to big bikes, with too large of a gap in horsepower.

Couple that with the tracks these days. Why are there 100+ foot jumps and blind landings at every track? Hey, let's make it even more dangerous and not have hardly any flaggers, or ambulances!

The track owners also put the jumps in the middle of the straight away which gives any dumb-ass the chance to jump it. The jumps should be closer to the exit of turns. Slower speeds make shorter jumps, yet still technical.
I think it's way more intense, and structured to be intense, now. The introduction of residential training facilities is one example. Just watching the Adamitis segment on Davi really drove that home. Dad no longer has to be the bad guy. They hire it out.
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On the amatuer note: 2004 GNC at Mosier Valley, I was a part of the Team Green program and the Kawasaki manager (Craig Martin) told us all, that we didn't have to ride the 2nd moto's that day because they had let the track go to shit. It was dry, square, slick with massive holes. He was concerened for the rides saftey and not the results. This was a fantastic way for him to handle the situation.
The next year the GNC was held at Oakhill.
So many moto's with the amateur scene, that the track becomes a factor in safety, for sure.
4/1/2015 4:34pm
We've all heard the stories: Matt Goerke being told before a race that if he didn't win, his family would lose their house (he broke his...
We've all heard the stories: Matt Goerke being told before a race that if he didn't win, his family would lose their house (he broke his leg). Jake Weimer, the Hills.
A family should not have to risk its entire future just to get a kid a shot at something in which he has a 99.9% chance of not earning a lifetime living with.
There must be a way to ease kids into the pro scene more easily, with less of the "win or die" mentality. I hear at some big amateur races they start the motos at 6:30 am. I've heard of riders getting beat by parents for not winning. I'm not sure how to change the culture on this...
I'm not familiar with these stories, but I'm interested to hear. Care to elaborate or share a link where I can read up?
Goerke told the story on dmxs years ago. I also heard about riders getting the smack for poor riding on dmxs. Other stiff like Weimer wax on behind the dream.
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Whike DV is infuriating to listen to at times with him cutting people off and yelling over people he was right. Ronnie made a few good...
Whike DV is infuriating to listen to at times with him cutting people off and yelling over people he was right. Ronnie made a few good points but for the most part he expects that if someone puts the effort in, has 'the drive', and 'really wants it' they should be able to make a good living doing it.....

Well DV was right. This is not socialism..... everyone doesn't win. You can't get it just because you want it. If you're not talented enough, then you don't have the right to the big bucks.... get over it! I'm not intellegent enough to be a NASA engineer, although I believe I would throughly enjoy it. I do not have the mental capacity nor the technical know-how to swing it. That's how I view privateers....... they may want it all they want, but if they were truly gifted enough to warrant the big pay day they would have had it already.


Sound some who makes every main in SX make 100k a year? Oh hell yes. But Ronnie made it sound like of you're trying your all, and giving it your best you should be able to make a living (100k)
I have to agree with DV. He is brash, but I believe that it's the truth. Must be, because it has always been like this.

Look, Ronnie is good, but he knows, or should know that if your not at the very top, your not going to make money. Always been like this. If he thinks he should get paid more, than either ride faster or get out, which is what DV was saying. Nobody owes him. It's Ronnie's choice to ride.

If I'm a world class Nordic track user, should I be paid a good living just because I'm good at it? It's entertainment and you get paid what the market will bear. Just the hard cruel facts.
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hvaughn88 wrote:
One thing that's interesting to me is that moto is probably the cheapest of all motorsports, yet is still maybe the smallest of all motorsports.
takes alot of balls and skill to take a gate drop. Alot less to make left turns in a roll cage.
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Ronnie is a huge inspiration to me. I read an interview GuyB did with him a year or two ago and he said the same thing about Amateur Nationals. Definitely clicked with me and I stopped putting so much focus on races like Loretta Lynn's. Ronnie never raced any amateur nationals and now he is national #69 and making supercross main events consistently. How friggin' cool is that!?

Link to interview (rider check): http://www.vitalmx.com/features/Rider-Check-Ronnie-Stewart,3453
4/1/2015 6:13pm
Our sport is just like any other motorsports, it's either you're very good or very rich (or your dad has a 8 figure business)... If you're average and broke, you're SOL... It's the sad truth. I wish everyone making the night show would make 6 figures but it's not the case. Yes, I didn't like getting beat up as a kid to win races, I didn't want to break bones and work hurt in my job, I didn't want to sleep in a garage in Beaumont, CA with freezing temperature in January. BUT, I quit school at 15 and realized very early that only 1 chance in the world of making a living. I only knew to ride a bike. No diplomas. I didn't graduate high school. So, please, stop saying this sport gave me everything. Giving means free. Nothing was free and I paid the prices more often that you'll ever know. Sorry if I come out like a prick but I just tell you what my experiences were and what the reality tells me everyday. Sorry some got butt hurt, I'll use KY next time...
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Our sport is just like any other motorsports, it's either you're very good or very rich (or your dad has a 8 figure business)... If you're...
Our sport is just like any other motorsports, it's either you're very good or very rich (or your dad has a 8 figure business)... If you're average and broke, you're SOL... It's the sad truth. I wish everyone making the night show would make 6 figures but it's not the case. Yes, I didn't like getting beat up as a kid to win races, I didn't want to break bones and work hurt in my job, I didn't want to sleep in a garage in Beaumont, CA with freezing temperature in January. BUT, I quit school at 15 and realized very early that only 1 chance in the world of making a living. I only knew to ride a bike. No diplomas. I didn't graduate high school. So, please, stop saying this sport gave me everything. Giving means free. Nothing was free and I paid the prices more often that you'll ever know. Sorry if I come out like a prick but I just tell you what my experiences were and what the reality tells me everyday. Sorry some got butt hurt, I'll use KY next time...
On point.
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Our sport is just like any other motorsports, it's either you're very good or very rich (or your dad has a 8 figure business)... If you're...
Our sport is just like any other motorsports, it's either you're very good or very rich (or your dad has a 8 figure business)... If you're average and broke, you're SOL... It's the sad truth. I wish everyone making the night show would make 6 figures but it's not the case. Yes, I didn't like getting beat up as a kid to win races, I didn't want to break bones and work hurt in my job, I didn't want to sleep in a garage in Beaumont, CA with freezing temperature in January. BUT, I quit school at 15 and realized very early that only 1 chance in the world of making a living. I only knew to ride a bike. No diplomas. I didn't graduate high school. So, please, stop saying this sport gave me everything. Giving means free. Nothing was free and I paid the prices more often that you'll ever know. Sorry if I come out like a prick but I just tell you what my experiences were and what the reality tells me everyday. Sorry some got butt hurt, I'll use KY next time...
Boom! Laughing
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I actually think they were both right, but it was almost like they weren't arguing the same thing. Ronnie was suggesting things that could change, whereas...
I actually think they were both right, but it was almost like they weren't arguing the same thing. Ronnie was suggesting things that could change, whereas DV seemed like he was just telling it like it is and basically saying nothing is going to change. I agree with both of them. Perhaps DV's delivery was a little rough (and I hate when anyone talks over people), but he didn't sugar coat anything and I appreciate that.
+1. DV was pretty spot on, he just doesn't quite get etiquette. Either that, or he doesn't care much about it. He's still right imo
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Sports pay based on performance and SX /MX is no different,

Unfortunately for the very talented riders that are barely making it into the night show and occasional main, the fans are not buying tickets to watch them. The Dungeys, KR, Canards etc are who are working the hardest, have the ability to win and are the ones selling tickets, bikes, apparel and accesories.
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Great point. Never thought of that. If it's true, why now slow the bikes down to keep living people safer???
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The pressure has always been there. The kids who want to be the next RV or RC put as much, or more, pressure on themselves than...
The pressure has always been there. The kids who want to be the next RV or RC put as much, or more, pressure on themselves than anything else. Throw in a screaming mini-bike dad and you have a recipe for destruction.

Most of these injuries are happening because kids are going from mini bikes to big bikes, with too large of a gap in horsepower.

Couple that with the tracks these days. Why are there 100+ foot jumps and blind landings at every track? Hey, let's make it even more dangerous and not have hardly any flaggers, or ambulances!

The track owners also put the jumps in the middle of the straight away which gives any dumb-ass the chance to jump it. The jumps should be closer to the exit of turns. Slower speeds make shorter jumps, yet still technical.
Exactly. Watch some races from the mid 90's and notice how low speed most tracks are...even though we thought we were going mach 9.

Now look at the tracks. Tracks have been opened up and made to flow better to suit the bikes. Now most big tracks have multiple sections that are linked together with dog legs where you are in 4th gear and 60 mph the whole time.....with a 100ft camel back somewhere in the middle.

Big jumps used to be half skill,half balls. Now it's no skill and all balls.

The days off slipping the clutch prefect around an axel deep rut and catching 3rd right before the face of a 60 ft triple on a 125 are almost gone.

Now it's shift to 4th coming out of the turn on a 250f and put it on auto pilot so you can hit the 100 footer half way down the straight.

The tracks need to be SLOWED down.
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Our sport is just like any other motorsports, it's either you're very good or very rich (or your dad has a 8 figure business)... If you're...
Our sport is just like any other motorsports, it's either you're very good or very rich (or your dad has a 8 figure business)... If you're average and broke, you're SOL... It's the sad truth. I wish everyone making the night show would make 6 figures but it's not the case. Yes, I didn't like getting beat up as a kid to win races, I didn't want to break bones and work hurt in my job, I didn't want to sleep in a garage in Beaumont, CA with freezing temperature in January. BUT, I quit school at 15 and realized very early that only 1 chance in the world of making a living. I only knew to ride a bike. No diplomas. I didn't graduate high school. So, please, stop saying this sport gave me everything. Giving means free. Nothing was free and I paid the prices more often that you'll ever know. Sorry if I come out like a prick but I just tell you what my experiences were and what the reality tells me everyday. Sorry some got butt hurt, I'll use KY next time...
This absolute truth. To say the sport gave any rider anything is saying the rider was "entitled." Like Hannah, RJ, RC and RV, DV worked his ass off to win races. Winning races allowed DV to make money with his craft. What the common fan does not realize, at what cost? What did DV give to race pro? Only he and other pro riders know.

Do I think the purse should increase? Absolutely. Does it make financial sense? Only Feld knows. I do know the privateer and satellite teams are needed. If they were not racing right now, what would the 250F and 450F mains look like?
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4/1/2015 9:18pm
Our sport is just like any other motorsports, it's either you're very good or very rich (or your dad has a 8 figure business)... If you're...
Our sport is just like any other motorsports, it's either you're very good or very rich (or your dad has a 8 figure business)... If you're average and broke, you're SOL... It's the sad truth. I wish everyone making the night show would make 6 figures but it's not the case. Yes, I didn't like getting beat up as a kid to win races, I didn't want to break bones and work hurt in my job, I didn't want to sleep in a garage in Beaumont, CA with freezing temperature in January. BUT, I quit school at 15 and realized very early that only 1 chance in the world of making a living. I only knew to ride a bike. No diplomas. I didn't graduate high school. So, please, stop saying this sport gave me everything. Giving means free. Nothing was free and I paid the prices more often that you'll ever know. Sorry if I come out like a prick but I just tell you what my experiences were and what the reality tells me everyday. Sorry some got butt hurt, I'll use KY next time...
Ronnie's point was that the whole sport would be better off if the industry concentrated the money and media attention in the sport toward the pros instead of amateur racing. Somehow you & Matthes got on a goofy tangent about stealing money from Ryan Dungey to pay privateers.

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