Can we agree RV and TC

Maverick313 3/8/2015 2:06pm
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ChrisB10 wrote:
Feel free to rank your top 5 as well
1. RV and TC tie
2. Herlings
3. Dungey
4. Stew
5. ChrisB10
Maybe when Herlings races in the premier class he can be a top rider, until then he only has a bunch of wins in 250 mx and none in 450 SX/MX.
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BobbyM wrote:
RV has the balls to race out of his comfort zone and hit the gp circuit. TC lacks the balls to race SX and Mx in...
RV has the balls to race out of his comfort zone and hit the gp circuit. TC lacks the balls to race SX and Mx in the US.

BIG difference.
Damn right BobbyM. TC could not even walk in RV's slippers. When TC comes to the states and wins a SX in his second attempt then I might think about comparing the two in the same sentence.
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herlings FTW!! Cool Woohoo
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A year ago it sounded like "Why would RV want to go and race the B series?" And now one year later when he won his first heat race in the so called B series he "has the balls" to come over and race mxgp?

I have never heard "he got the balls" argument when we speak of Roczen, Musquin, Wilson, Pourcell or mabye Norén who left his home country where the ground is frozen 5 months of the year and while the riders in US race SX And keeping their race pace on, Norén were home making snow angels and waiting for the spring to come.

RV is fast, but stop making such a big deal of him going over to another part of the world to race, people do it all the time, but for less money than he doing it for.

And for the topic, RV winning one heat, TC the other on a track noone of them have raced before, make me think that today they were equally fast.

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karsmakers 3/8/2015 2:52pm
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moto0852 wrote:
Not sure (unfortunately) that you can put Bubba in there anymore but TC and RV and Herlings are up there no doubt. I've really gone from...
Not sure (unfortunately) that you can put Bubba in there anymore but TC and RV and Herlings are up there no doubt. I've really gone from being an american chest thumper to just hoping upon hope that everyone stays healthy this year and we see some good racing.
bd wrote:
Herlings comes to US, there are a few riders who will race with him every week. The 250F MXGP class is weaker than the US counterpart...
Herlings comes to US, there are a few riders who will race with him every week. The 250F MXGP class is weaker than the US counterpart (at the moment).

450F MX and 450GP mirror each other
2strokerider wrote:
nobody racing 250fs in the US would get anywhere near herlings outdoors- don't kid yourself.... herlings is on another level
How do you know? Covington got 5th in that class. Jeremy is super fast outdoors and though I would agree that Herlings is better overall, I still believe a few of the AMA riders could get"very near him".

Top Ten riders.....not in order of speed:
RV
AC
Dungey
DeSaille
Herlings
Rocsen
Paulin
Tomac
Canard
Nagl, Febrve, Musquin,Strijbos, Martin,Bam Bam

Thats five from each series
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karsmakers wrote:
How do you know? Covington got 5th in that class. Jeremy is super fast outdoors and though I would agree that Herlings is better overall, I...
How do you know? Covington got 5th in that class. Jeremy is super fast outdoors and though I would agree that Herlings is better overall, I still believe a few of the AMA riders could get"very near him".

Top Ten riders.....not in order of speed:
RV
AC
Dungey
DeSaille
Herlings
Rocsen
Paulin
Tomac
Canard
Nagl, Febrve, Musquin,Strijbos, Martin,Bam Bam

Thats five from each series
Herlings does not deserve to be on that list... unproven sandbagger that gets hurt a lot.
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Sideways wrote:
Yes i can. Roczen did pretty good right? Arnaud tonus has NEVER raced sx and in his first sx race was top 3 fastes qualifier.
Doesn't Tonus have a fair bit of experience in the European SX circuit? Thought I'd read that somewhere.
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Flip109 wrote:
To many variables to say who is the best. Depends on location, soil, and just what kind of day they are having.
And that's why we race.
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They are both badasses and legends.
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Tumic wrote:
A year ago it sounded like "Why would RV want to go and race the B series?" And now one year later when he won his...
A year ago it sounded like "Why would RV want to go and race the B series?" And now one year later when he won his first heat race in the so called B series he "has the balls" to come over and race mxgp?

I have never heard "he got the balls" argument when we speak of Roczen, Musquin, Wilson, Pourcell or mabye Norén who left his home country where the ground is frozen 5 months of the year and while the riders in US race SX And keeping their race pace on, Norén were home making snow angels and waiting for the spring to come.

RV is fast, but stop making such a big deal of him going over to another part of the world to race, people do it all the time, but for less money than he doing it for.

And for the topic, RV winning one heat, TC the other on a track noone of them have raced before, make me think that today they were equally fast.
Doesn't take balls to come to the greatest Country on the planet and have a great time with fun loving Americans...

It takes balls to leave the greatest Country on the planet to go race in shithole fields with Anti-American Bigots.
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They are all extremely good. You will never find out who is the best as there are to many variables. Stop the BS
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BobbyM wrote:
RV has the balls to race out of his comfort zone and hit the gp circuit. TC lacks the balls to race SX and Mx in...
RV has the balls to race out of his comfort zone and hit the gp circuit. TC lacks the balls to race SX and Mx in the US.

BIG difference.
Scrubadub wrote:
Damn right BobbyM. TC could not even walk in RV's slippers. When TC comes to the states and wins a SX in his second attempt then...
Damn right BobbyM. TC could not even walk in RV's slippers. When TC comes to the states and wins a SX in his second attempt then I might think about comparing the two in the same sentence.
Supercross is completely different. AC has admitted he's not the best at it. Carmichael never left his home country to race, can he not walk in RV's slippers either?
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Sorry ladies , would have to go with RV on this one , most well rounded (supercross) and raw speed second to none
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There are titles that are earned, and titles that are bestowed. They've both earned plenty.

Do we really need to hand out more? Last time that happened I think it was something like FMOTP.
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JUST because RV has also won (dominated) supercross, and the AMA nationals, and is now winning in MXGP...he has done something that no other rider has done in a long long time...that win yesterday puts RV in the absolute upper echelon of riders in the history of the sport. MC has more supercross wins and titles and RC has more titles and wins than him...so does Everts...but NONE of those guys have won at Supercross, the AMA nationals, AND MXGP. RV is in his own category now...nobody to even compare him too.

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rcm406 wrote:
The best rider is sitting at home at the moment and the best racer (with AB in his corner) is Dungey!Shocked
Outsider wrote:
The "best rider" according to you just got beat 4 years in a row by the real FMOTP... so did "the best racer" according to you...
The "best rider" according to you just got beat 4 years in a row by the real FMOTP... so did "the best racer" according to you Laughing

All this attention away from "James" must really be torture for you huh
Not really. Btw, have you seen James' autograph lines at the SX's?Woohoo I think he's OK in the attention dept.!Laughing
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Titan1 wrote:
JUST because RV has also won (dominated) supercross, and the AMA nationals, and is now winning in MXGP...he has done something that no other rider has...
JUST because RV has also won (dominated) supercross, and the AMA nationals, and is now winning in MXGP...he has done something that no other rider has done in a long long time...that win yesterday puts RV in the absolute upper echelon of riders in the history of the sport. MC has more supercross wins and titles and RC has more titles and wins than him...so does Everts...but NONE of those guys have won at Supercross, the AMA nationals, AND MXGP. RV is in his own category now...nobody to even compare him too.

Ken Roczen has won a GP world title, an AMA supercross title, and an AMA motocross title.
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Titan1 wrote:
JUST because RV has also won (dominated) supercross, and the AMA nationals, and is now winning in MXGP...he has done something that no other rider has...
JUST because RV has also won (dominated) supercross, and the AMA nationals, and is now winning in MXGP...he has done something that no other rider has done in a long long time...that win yesterday puts RV in the absolute upper echelon of riders in the history of the sport. MC has more supercross wins and titles and RC has more titles and wins than him...so does Everts...but NONE of those guys have won at Supercross, the AMA nationals, AND MXGP. RV is in his own category now...nobody to even compare him too.

Surly100 wrote:
Ken Roczen has won a GP world title, an AMA supercross title, and an AMA motocross title.
He hasn't won a national supercross title.

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St Ann More 3/8/2015 3:51pm
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Titan1 wrote:
JUST because RV has also won (dominated) supercross, and the AMA nationals, and is now winning in MXGP...he has done something that no other rider has...
JUST because RV has also won (dominated) supercross, and the AMA nationals, and is now winning in MXGP...he has done something that no other rider has done in a long long time...that win yesterday puts RV in the absolute upper echelon of riders in the history of the sport. MC has more supercross wins and titles and RC has more titles and wins than him...so does Everts...but NONE of those guys have won at Supercross, the AMA nationals, AND MXGP. RV is in his own category now...nobody to even compare him too.

Surly100 wrote:
Ken Roczen has won a GP world title, an AMA supercross title, and an AMA motocross title.
Titan1 wrote:
He hasn't won a national supercross title.
RV hasn't won a World Motocross Championship...
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Surly100 wrote:
Ken Roczen has won a GP world title, an AMA supercross title, and an AMA motocross title.
Titan1 wrote:
He hasn't won a national supercross title.
St Ann More wrote:
RV hasn't won a World Motocross Championship...
Yet
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AC222:
"Then I was able to get a good start in my second race to be out in front and to make a good rhythm on a track that was very dangerous. I like jumps but this was way too much and also some were very sketchy"...


Sounds like the tender lady wouldn't like SX....
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GuyB wrote:
There are titles that are earned, and titles that are bestowed. They've both earned plenty. Do we really need to hand out more? Last time that...
There are titles that are earned, and titles that are bestowed. They've both earned plenty.

Do we really need to hand out more? Last time that happened I think it was something like FMOTP.
Certainly there is no "need" just like nothing ever posted on here is a "necessity". It's just for fun Smile
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Titan1 wrote:
JUST because RV has also won (dominated) supercross, and the AMA nationals, and is now winning in MXGP...he has done something that no other rider has...
JUST because RV has also won (dominated) supercross, and the AMA nationals, and is now winning in MXGP...he has done something that no other rider has done in a long long time...that win yesterday puts RV in the absolute upper echelon of riders in the history of the sport. MC has more supercross wins and titles and RC has more titles and wins than him...so does Everts...but NONE of those guys have won at Supercross, the AMA nationals, AND MXGP. RV is in his own category now...nobody to even compare him too.

JMB has. But RV is one of the best this sport has seen
St Ann More 3/8/2015 4:08pm
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Titan1 wrote:
He hasn't won a national supercross title.
St Ann More wrote:
RV hasn't won a World Motocross Championship...
Titan1 wrote:
Yet
Same could be said for Roczen and a national supercross title...

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roost wrote:
AC222: "Then I was able to get a good start in my second race to be out in front and to make a good rhythm on...
AC222:
"Then I was able to get a good start in my second race to be out in front and to make a good rhythm on a track that was very dangerous. I like jumps but this was way too much and also some were very sketchy"...


Sounds like the tender lady wouldn't like SX....
That 'tender lady' is an 8 time world champ.
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The problem is Americans race both MX/SX. How can you compare? Imop that makes RV the faster rider. Americans don't just focus on MX. RV is...
The problem is Americans race both MX/SX. How can you compare? Imop that makes RV the faster rider. Americans don't just focus on MX. RV is just getting back up to speed. I think he went to hard all weekend and should of saved a bit extra for the 2nd Moto. Cany you imagine AC222 & JH84 trying to race SX?
Roczen is German and also had not raced SX properly until he went to the U.S. So why do you think it's impossible for herlings or Cairoli to pick it up? Herlings is still a kid and lots of people think he is faster than Roczen.
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AC222: "Then I was able to get a good start in my second race to be out in front and to make a good rhythm on...
AC222:
"Then I was able to get a good start in my second race to be out in front and to make a good rhythm on a track that was very dangerous. I like jumps but this was way too much and also some were very sketchy"...


Sounds like the tender lady wouldn't like SX....
Must have hurt to see that tender lady smoke RV like a cheap cigar in the second moto...
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bd wrote:
Herlings comes to US, there are a few riders who will race with him every week. The 250F MXGP class is weaker than the US counterpart...
Herlings comes to US, there are a few riders who will race with him every week. The 250F MXGP class is weaker than the US counterpart (at the moment).

450F MX and 450GP mirror each other
2strokerider wrote:
nobody racing 250fs in the US would get anywhere near herlings outdoors- don't kid yourself.... herlings is on another level
karsmakers wrote:
How do you know? Covington got 5th in that class. Jeremy is super fast outdoors and though I would agree that Herlings is better overall, I...
How do you know? Covington got 5th in that class. Jeremy is super fast outdoors and though I would agree that Herlings is better overall, I still believe a few of the AMA riders could get"very near him".

Top Ten riders.....not in order of speed:
RV
AC
Dungey
DeSaille
Herlings
Rocsen
Paulin
Tomac
Canard
Nagl, Febrve, Musquin,Strijbos, Martin,Bam Bam

Thats five from each series
Funny you didn't include JS7 but you include guys that have 0 titles and that Stewart has consistently beat.
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Meh, all this GP shit and the only thing I have come to understand is the GP guys need less jumps, less heat, less humidity, more sand, less hard pack.
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Impressive 350f ride for TC. RV didn't have a 2nd moto answer for the #222. I'm looking forward to more traditional outdoor tracks. RV will only get faster.

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