285 Pounds and Moto

j.rush337
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Edited Date/Time 2/4/2015 5:37am
Hey guys long time reader, first time poster, been riding for quite sometime, last year was first year to ride track, and really enjoy it, only thing is, at first I was progressing like crazy everytime I would go out, but now, im stuck in a rut, and i cant seem to ever clear any jumps. Im just wondering if my weight is going to keep me from ever going quick, all I'm trying to do is be a C-class level rider. I added new springs in my suspension but it still hurts to land flat, I am not sure if my fear of hitting the jump hard is for good reason or not, im not fat, Im 6,4 and I've been bodybuilding for the past 6 years, im just heavy like a fat guy. I want to hear about other people that are clearing every tabletop, and putting in some good times even though they are a little heavier, thanks guys..
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DBerg
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2/3/2015 11:23am
Did you have any valving done to the suspension? It seems like your nervousness and apprehension is probably affecting that throttle hand and perhaps you're not staying on the gas all the way through. I'm assuming you ride a 450? What kind of terrain/dirt composition are you riding? I ask because you may have to ride the throttle more aggressively if the dirt gets really deep, but if it's hard packed you hAve to ride it a little differently.
I used to ride a 125 and I'm 6'2", 190 lbs. Not a huge guy but big for the bike. On hard packed I didn't have too many issues clearing jumps all the way but at Cycle Ranch we have deep red sandy loam with some nice elevation changes and I would have ride like I was trying to blow the bike up just to barely clear some of the jumps. That being said, a better rider of the same weight could take that 125 and rip around no problem.
You're doing the right thing by asking about what you can do to get better, and there are guys on here that can give you great riding tips. I would keep those tips in mind and talk to some faster local guys that can give you tips that are more specific to the track you're riding at.
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2/3/2015 11:25am
Size shouldn't hold you back. As mentioned about, get the bike set up from you (ergos, valving). There was a guy well over 300 that would kick my ass when I first got a 250f 10 years or so ago. If you have a 450 weight isn't a issue
motomike894
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2/3/2015 11:26am
I have varied to a alltime high of 325 after I broke my femur to around 260-280 got down to 250 last summer then gained some back this winter but working on getting it back off.

I have always been a big guy even with working out, etc. I got pro card in 2002 and was able to get down to around 200 and that's the lightest I ever was since probably 9-10th grade.

I just seem to have no metabolism on top of not eating the best most the time but I do work out 4-5 days week and ride a lot and still ride A / Pro class in MX.

I am 5'11" tall.

Its all about skill I have people lose it all the time watching me ride haha, but just keep practicing watch training videos maybe try to go to a MX school somewhere around you it takes time even if you have the born skill for it to get decent.



Brent
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2/3/2015 11:32am
Shit if Tyler Bowers can be up front on a 250F, then there is hope for all big guys,

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j.rush337
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2/3/2015 11:33am
The valving isn't done I just bought springs from race tech and installed them myself, so is valving something that will be a game changer? I didn't know valving would make a big difference, and I ride 3 palms in Houston and its a hard clay dirt mix, and my other track is mostly soft dirt. I'm 24 now and I'm kind of over the bodybuilding thing so I want to get a little more serious about this, I really just want to throw a whip or two and not get roosted constantly, I feel like that can't be too much to ask.
j.rush337
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2/3/2015 11:35am
Tyler bowers got me questioning my excuses for sucking, that's why I'm on here asking questions.
Idaho747
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2/3/2015 11:41am
I'm 5'10 and 285. Like the above said. Bike setup is crucial. It doesn't matter if your 300 or 120. If the bike isn't set up properly over shooting or coming up short is gonna hurt. Just keep practicing riding and learning skills. That's just how mx is Fast progression to a point then things slow down and pick up again. You will be fine just keep working at it.
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2/3/2015 11:44am
j.rush337 wrote:
The valving isn't done I just bought springs from race tech and installed them myself, so is valving something that will be a game changer? I...
The valving isn't done I just bought springs from race tech and installed them myself, so is valving something that will be a game changer? I didn't know valving would make a big difference, and I ride 3 palms in Houston and its a hard clay dirt mix, and my other track is mostly soft dirt. I'm 24 now and I'm kind of over the bodybuilding thing so I want to get a little more serious about this, I really just want to throw a whip or two and not get roosted constantly, I feel like that can't be too much to ask.
Valving in my opinion can be just as important as springs. It will help control how fast the suspension compresses.
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2/3/2015 11:54am
I've got a friend that is 6'0" and 270 lbs that can haul the mail in the woods. He rides an RMZ450 which is revalved and resprung. He embarrasses lots of skinny boys.

I'm 6'3" and 210 lbs and feel like it's an ideal weight for my height. When I bulk and go above 225 I don't feel as "agile" on the bike. I love weight lifting and getting stronger, for cardio I do HIIT which makes it easy to retain muscle while increasing endurance.
rmartin517
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2/3/2015 11:55am
There is a guy I know about your size bike set up is very crucial. Maybe I can get him to chime in.
2/3/2015 12:59pm
j.rush337 wrote:
The valving isn't done I just bought springs from race tech and installed them myself, so is valving something that will be a game changer? I...
The valving isn't done I just bought springs from race tech and installed them myself, so is valving something that will be a game changer? I didn't know valving would make a big difference, and I ride 3 palms in Houston and its a hard clay dirt mix, and my other track is mostly soft dirt. I'm 24 now and I'm kind of over the bodybuilding thing so I want to get a little more serious about this, I really just want to throw a whip or two and not get roosted constantly, I feel like that can't be too much to ask.
Valving isn't the gsme changer yhey are telling you its going to be. Yes, valving is good when its dialed in and its money well spent, but the game changer you're looking gor is between your ears.

Valving and springs won't magically help you huck a double if you can't do it now, that comes with confidence through practice. Get your valving done, get it working good, get some confidence in yourself and your bike and it will come.

Every rider gains speed and thrn plateaus out and then gains again, just like body building. Get on your bike, work on your riding technique and it will flow better and better and you'll be jumping soon enough. The secret is confidence.
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2/3/2015 1:48pm
I agree with all the posts, I'm 6.0' and about 230lb (104kg) without my riding gear (hate to think how much i am with all my gear). Like some of the other posters, I love weight training and have hit the gym for years. Being lighter wont automatically make you faster, practice and "bike fitness" are far more important. Be consistent with your riding and improvements will come, slowly but surely. In saying that I run stiffer springs (YZ450) and valving. I've ridden with stock springs and valving and its nowhere near stiff enough for me. I think that as you improve valving will be a wise investment. I've also got a YZ125 that i ride for fun and i give it hell out on the track and can get around pretty good on it (yes its sprung and valved stiffer). There's plenty of "big guys": that can get around pretty good so keep at it.
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2/3/2015 1:53pm


6'4" 215 its going to take a little bit more to clear jumps.
DBerg
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2/3/2015 1:58pm
Another thing I was just thinking about, sometimes when I ride (moto or mtb) a lot by myself I have a tendency to fall into bad habits. Certain body positions get comfortable and I think less about doing things the best way. Granted as you get faster more and more becomes second nature and you don't have to think about every little detail, but I personally am not fast enough that I always have great technique without focusing on doing it right. Sometimes I kind of reach a plateau, for whatever reason I end up being off the bike for a month or so and then when I start up again, I knock off the cobwebs and can actually pick up the pace a bit.
I'm not saying stop riding to get faster, but I would really try to get some help from a riding buddy that's faster than you that may be able to help you avoid or correct bad habits.
Also, you have a great place to ride at 3 Palms. I was doing some promo work out there for the Houston Holeshot Series race a couple weeks back. If you ever head to the San Antonio area feel free to hit me up. I'm the Venue Director at Cycle Ranch and I'm sure we could give you some pointers. Our track prep guy is a pro card holder and super nice guy, and we have lots of regulars that are great guys and gals that would love to make new friends and help out their fellow riders. We also have 5 different tracks that include jumps for all different skill levels and a couple different corner tracks.
Best of luck to you sir and we hope to see you out at the track sometime Smile
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2/3/2015 2:03pm
MX is a little guys sport, one look around the Pro pits is proof enough for that. Still, there's things you can do.

You can work on your technique and bike setup and that will go a long way. Springs should be good enough for now, it's silly to get into revalving when you aren't really even doing any jumps yet and are still a beginner. A good MX school would be a great investment.

Ultimately, you will have a hugely easier time if you give up the bodybuilding and lose some weight. I was bigger with a lot of heavy muscle for a long time - all of that is completely counterproductive for MX. Once you get under 200 lbs it's like a completely different sport.
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2/3/2015 2:04pm
j.rush337 wrote:
The valving isn't done I just bought springs from race tech and installed them myself, so is valving something that will be a game changer? I...
The valving isn't done I just bought springs from race tech and installed them myself, so is valving something that will be a game changer? I didn't know valving would make a big difference, and I ride 3 palms in Houston and its a hard clay dirt mix, and my other track is mostly soft dirt. I'm 24 now and I'm kind of over the bodybuilding thing so I want to get a little more serious about this, I really just want to throw a whip or two and not get roosted constantly, I feel like that can't be too much to ask.
I'm heading down to Three Palms at the end of the month. If your going to be there I'd be happy to help you with "clearing" the jumps. I'm not sure about the "throwing a whip" thing though. Your size will not keep you from riding well. Its all in your head.
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2/3/2015 2:46pm
In all honesty, the stiffer springs you installed can only do so much to keep the suspension from bottoming. I'm willing to bet that since you are still stock on the valving, the suspension is riding too low in the first half of the stroke which makes for a harsh ride. More or less....you are relying on the springs to take care of all of the dampening and the suspension will never function properly like that. I would really recommend that you have your valving stiffened up by the tuner of your choice.

I'm not saying you need to go all out on an expensive suspension package - because you don't. A simple valving job is all that's needed for your speed and skill level. Once that's complete, you shouldn't need to worry about suspension again until you start improving your speed.

Nonetheless, props to you! I know a lot of guys who make up excuses saying they are too big to ride! Keep having fun with it man
motomike894
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2/3/2015 3:01pm
Every bike I have is immediately revalved and resprung for my fat ass it has to be or ID kill myself so being bigger suspension is very important more so then if your the ideal weight for a stock bike in my opinion.

Now my new Honda has air forks and have had my stuff already revalved with stiffer rear spring but have been messing with fork air psi here and there to try get it how I want it and obviously can change that easily enough.

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6' 9" 255# I don't even bother to ride a bike unless it's been re-valved by Factory Connection. They know the deal for big guys.

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Spartacus wrote:
6' 9" 255# I don't even bother to ride a bike unless it's been re-valved by Factory Connection. They know the deal for big guys. [img]https://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2187/2763304/23277232/401558423.jpg[/img]
6' 9" 255# I don't even bother to ride a bike unless it's been re-valved by Factory Connection. They know the deal for big guys.

How is that little YZ85 hauling you around like that?Shocked
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Spartacus wrote:
6' 9" 255# I don't even bother to ride a bike unless it's been re-valved by Factory Connection. They know the deal for big guys. [img]https://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2187/2763304/23277232/401558423.jpg[/img]
6' 9" 255# I don't even bother to ride a bike unless it's been re-valved by Factory Connection. They know the deal for big guys.

MarkF wrote:
How is that little YZ85 hauling you around like that?Shocked
It's got a power band!
j.rush337
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2/3/2015 5:26pm
Man guys thanks a ton for the replies, I'm going to have to check out that track in San antonio, and I'd like to meet you at 3 palms I'll have to talk to the wifey
fullysicmate
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2/4/2015 12:17am
there was a local guy here that used to race and did really good, on the flatter natural terrain motocross tracks he was near the front and this guy was all blubber......was my favorite to watch.
2/4/2015 5:11am
Valving and get some professional instruction.
Find a weekend class..shouldn't cost a ton and you will get a lot out of it.
Most importantly....have fun.
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2/4/2015 5:27am
j.rush337 wrote:
The valving isn't done I just bought springs from race tech and installed them myself, so is valving something that will be a game changer? I...
The valving isn't done I just bought springs from race tech and installed them myself, so is valving something that will be a game changer? I didn't know valving would make a big difference, and I ride 3 palms in Houston and its a hard clay dirt mix, and my other track is mostly soft dirt. I'm 24 now and I'm kind of over the bodybuilding thing so I want to get a little more serious about this, I really just want to throw a whip or two and not get roosted constantly, I feel like that can't be too much to ask.
UpTiTe wrote:
Valving isn't the gsme changer yhey are telling you its going to be. Yes, valving is good when its dialed in and its money well spent...
Valving isn't the gsme changer yhey are telling you its going to be. Yes, valving is good when its dialed in and its money well spent, but the game changer you're looking gor is between your ears.

Valving and springs won't magically help you huck a double if you can't do it now, that comes with confidence through practice. Get your valving done, get it working good, get some confidence in yourself and your bike and it will come.

Every rider gains speed and thrn plateaus out and then gains again, just like body building. Get on your bike, work on your riding technique and it will flow better and better and you'll be jumping soon enough. The secret is confidence.
yes thats all true

but properly set up suspension does help when you come up short or over jump.

you want that last bit of bottoming to really work for your weight

can save your ass, particularly for bigger guys
Spartacus
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2/4/2015 5:34am
Jo Jo use to haul ass and he was no light weight!

2/4/2015 5:37am
Get some old pics of Marty Tripes if you want to see a bigger guy haul. More recently JoJo Keller looked like he never skipped a meal yet would blaze at Southwick. When I was at my fattest also my fastest was in returning after 10 year layoff. Originally 175 returned at 265. Started finishing better and beating guys I never had before when I realized never sit down it's too much work to stand back up. Maybe my speed had more to do with the garden tractor four strokes than my increase in traction. Seeking smoother lines and standing all the time really picked up my game. If I could only take my knowledge back to the time my lunch muscle wasn't my only workout..

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