Pros used to dress for the crash

mx965 wrote:

Does anyone even still make kidney belts? Havent seen one of those since like 2002.

FlickitFlat wrote:

You guys can argue all you want. You will never convince me that a chest protector does not protect you from more than just roost. I...

You guys can argue all you want. You will never convince me that a chest protector does not protect you from more than just roost. I posted this before but here are pics from a 5th gear endo into a rock bed. I flipped in the air and landed in a rock garden of 6 inch rocks with jagged edges with the back of my shoulder and flat onto my back, a couple of rolls and the bike hitting me in the back and running me over. It literally tore my damn pants off me. Other than a concussion and a broken finger I was unscathed. I would have been a mess if not for the chest protector. I don't wear fox gear, but I do wear a fox airframe. The protector with the most protection on the market IMO. I shopped around a lot trying to find one that gave shoulder impact protection and crush protection of you were run over. I think its the best for what I was looking for.

Darryl916 wrote:

No rock gardens on the motocross tracks I ride. lol

Titan1 wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/01/26/78111/s1200_Chest_pro.jpg[/img] This is the back of my little brothers Fox Titan...he crashed on the first lap of a race and was ran over, right over his...

This is the back of my little brothers Fox Titan...he crashed on the first lap of a race and was ran over, right over his back...after the front tire cleared him, he rolled to his side and the foot peg nailed him square in the back. This is the damage it did to his back protection (jersey was ripped to shreds)...imagine what his back would look like if he wasn't wearing that? I'd much rather have some plastic between my skin and rocks/metal/rubber than not.

And the argument that "those things won't protect from major injury...so I don't wear them" or "they'll only save you from the small stuff" doesn't hold water. A helmet won't protect you from a major injury, neither will boots...yet, nobody here will ride without those. Or how about the "they are too hot, and restrictive, so I don't wear them"....you know what else is hot and restrictive? Boots...and Helmets...but we still wear those. It's all a matter of what we're used to, and what public opinion (common consensus) says is "necessary"...those are the things people won't ride without.

Darryl916 wrote:

No rock gardens on the motocross tracks I ride. lol

hvaughn88 wrote:

but, once again, there are footpegs, levers, bars, swingarms, bolts, rotors, spinning spokes, etc.

Darryl916 wrote:

No rock gardens on the motocross tracks I ride. lol

hvaughn88 wrote:

but, once again, there are footpegs, levers, bars, swingarms, bolts, rotors, spinning spokes, etc.

Jim Lahey wrote:

You still havnt given any examples of chest/back injuries sustained by pro motocrossers as a result of those things

hvaughn88 wrote:

Do you really need examples to realize those are legitimate potential dangers? I don't, but since you asked, someone mentioned seely taking a bar to the...

Do you really need examples to realize those are legitimate potential dangers? I don't, but since you asked, someone mentioned seely taking a bar to the gut, and Nelson has a thumbs up that shows what a sprocket can do (I know, I know, a chest protector dled to protect your thumb)

Jim Lahey wrote:

I know they are dangerous, but bikes also carry about 2 gallons of fuel in them as well. What if it leaks out in a crash...

I know they are dangerous, but bikes also carry about 2 gallons of fuel in them as well. What if it leaks out in a crash and catches fire? Should pros wear fire suits too?

All Im trying to say is that if injuries arent occuring because of those things, what sense does it make to protect against them?

tomm55x wrote:

Is that all one piece? If so could you tell me the model name, I couldn't find it on leatts website, I do like the idea...

Is that all one piece? If so could you tell me the model name, I couldn't find it on leatts website, I do like the idea of a under shirt and chest protection all in one package if that's the case.

HenryA wrote:

I couldn't fit it either but BTO has a few left and they are actually on sale right now. Hurry up and get one. :) http://www.btosports.com/p/LEATT-ADVENTURE-BODY-VEST...

I couldn't fit it either but BTO has a few left and they are actually on sale right now. Hurry up and get one.

http://www.btosports.com/p/LEATT-ADVENTURE-BODY-VEST

Edit:
Seems like the Body vest 5.5 is replacing the Adventure vest.
http://www.leatt.com/shop/body-protection/upper-body-hard-shell/upper-b…

tomm55x wrote:

Cool, thank you for the info!

hvaughn88 wrote:

Do you really need examples to realize those are legitimate potential dangers? I don't, but since you asked, someone mentioned seely taking a bar to the...

Do you really need examples to realize those are legitimate potential dangers? I don't, but since you asked, someone mentioned seely taking a bar to the gut, and Nelson has a thumbs up that shows what a sprocket can do (I know, I know, a chest protector dled to protect your thumb)

Jim Lahey wrote:

I know they are dangerous, but bikes also carry about 2 gallons of fuel in them as well. What if it leaks out in a crash...

I know they are dangerous, but bikes also carry about 2 gallons of fuel in them as well. What if it leaks out in a crash and catches fire? Should pros wear fire suits too?

All Im trying to say is that if injuries arent occuring because of those things, what sense does it make to protect against them?

Darryl916 wrote:

No rock gardens on the motocross tracks I ride. lol

The Rock wrote:

Please don't feed the troll. With only 10 posts Lahey is probably a Vitard retread. One good thing spending 10 years on MX forums is I...

Please don't feed the troll. With only 10 posts Lahey is probably a Vitard retread. One good thing spending 10 years on MX forums is I have developed a sense for who wants to contribute by offering an opposing position (which I welcome since this is bench racing in a way) but some people like Lahey just want to be a troll by coming up with BS stuff like the gas and a fuel suit. My first inclination was Lahey was a troll but I gave him the benefit of the doubt even responding on an earlier post of his but he lost all credibility with the fuel deal.

Some people want to keep the sport growing....others not so much. We waste our time responding to trolls.

The Rock wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/01/26/78083/s1200_91163_trivia.jpg[/img] How did upper body protection go out of fashion? The tracks certainly haven't become easier nor have the bikes become less powerful.

How did upper body protection go out of fashion? The tracks certainly haven't become easier nor have the bikes become less powerful.

Darryl916 wrote:

Because I don't think "chest protectors" are meant to or effectively prevent MAJOR injury in a crash. I think they are meant to stop us from...

Because I don't think "chest protectors" are meant to or effectively prevent MAJOR injury in a crash. I think they are meant to stop us from getting pelted with roost. If the dirt is soft with no rocks, no need for a "chest protector". To me chest protector and roost guard are synonymous.

If you want true torso protection from crash impact you'd have to wear something like the EVS body suits and the like. TP199 wears them under his gear before doing some crazy stunt. Not practical for moto in my opinion.





With that said, wear what makes you feel comfortable.

The Rock wrote:

Please don't feed the troll. With only 10 posts Lahey is probably a Vitard retread. One good thing spending 10 years on MX forums is I...

Please don't feed the troll. With only 10 posts Lahey is probably a Vitard retread. One good thing spending 10 years on MX forums is I have developed a sense for who wants to contribute by offering an opposing position (which I welcome since this is bench racing in a way) but some people like Lahey just want to be a troll by coming up with BS stuff like the gas and a fuel suit. My first inclination was Lahey was a troll but I gave him the benefit of the doubt even responding on an earlier post of his but he lost all credibility with the fuel deal.

Some people want to keep the sport growing....others not so much. We waste our time responding to trolls.

Jim Lahey wrote:

Im sorry man but Im not trying to "troll" anyone. Im posting a legitimate opposing viewpoint, with actual well thought out responses, and since you cant...

Im sorry man but Im not trying to "troll" anyone. Im posting a legitimate opposing viewpoint, with actual well thought out responses, and since you cant come up with a reason why Im wrong, you call me a troll. However, that seems to be par for the course with a lot of people- cant come up with a response? Resort to name calling.

I asked hvaughn88 to provide me with examples of when pro riders have taken injuries to the chest by footpegs, etc, but he cannot do that, so he too resorts to name calling.

Im bringing up a legitimate point here- what are the injuries that are being sustained in MX/SX that would change if they were wearing a chest protector? Of course theres the rare instance like Seelys, but for 99.9% of the riders, wearing one isnt all the sudden stop broken backs, arms, and necks from happening. On top of that, a lot of riders already wear them, just under their jerseys.

Im sorry if you think Im "trolling" you, but if you cant come up with a legitimate response to what Im trying to say, dont just start calling people trolls.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

There's a pic somewhere of a custom under protector kroc had that combined a fox air frame with some sort of spine protection.

Hgibbs566 wrote:

Plenty of pros are wearing more protection now then back in your good days. Just need to pull your head out of the sand and you'll...

Plenty of pros are wearing more protection now then back in your good days.
Just need to pull your head out of the sand and you'll realize people wear full faced helmets that are far enough away from your face when you crash to not destroy your nose/mouth.
And
A neck brace that has some science behind it that's not just a donut on your quarter inch plastic turd of a "chest protector".
And
Under protection, under the jersey, that is far better than the quarter inch plastic strapped around you with a bungie cord.
And
Knee braces that don't break your femur nearly as much.
And
Boots that have vastly improved.

Some racers are even wearing things to keep their shoulders from dislocating, and Baggett and Barcia are even wearing wrist braces.

Things have improved and need to continue to improve, but to think people wore more and better protection back in the day is ignoring the real picture infront of your eyes.

Do all riders wear it, no But not every ond wore full faced helmets when they came out, and not everyone wore all the protection available "back in the day either."

Bodieg3 wrote:

Do you have link to whatever they use to keep shoulder n place ? I need one bad ! I'm not against wearing proctection but at...

Do you have link to whatever they use to keep shoulder n place ? I need one bad ! I'm not against wearing proctection but at time my neck brace is in closet n roost protection is loaned out . I've found that without them on I have much more flexibility n range and without all the gear on I don't take near as many risk = fewer injuries

The Rock wrote:

Some of us are interested in protecting riders and growing the sport not bringing up fuel issues given there aren't any. Bikes catching on fire isn't...

Some of us are interested in protecting riders and growing the sport not bringing up fuel issues given there aren't any. Bikes catching on fire isn't a legitimate concern. Sure it can happen but there have been a lot more rib, chest and back injuries for years and years and except for Mark Brelsford at the Daytona race back in the day I can't ever remember a bike or rider catching fire. Again not a legitimate opposing view in the context of the merits of upper body protection.

If you recall I complimented you earlier in the thread for your post but you lost credibility with your fuel and flame suit comment hence the troll label. I am one that is loathe to use labels and definitely prefer to keep things light. To that end however I sincerely apologize for my usage of the word troll. I enjoy debating but addressing an issue of flaming racers is outside my threshold of interest so I would really appreciate keeping your comments within the world of possibility.

EDIT: I misread your 99.9% comment. I agree upper body protection won't prevent all injuries but what's your point? Don't wear upper body protection because you'll get hurt anyway?

One thing I do know, Jake Weimer knows and most of us that race and ride here know you're better off with protection than without. This is the point, the only point. You are welcome to hold any position you want to but it is beyond me how ANYONE can't see the benefits of upper body protection if the 21st century world of hybrid SX/MX tracks is truly beyond me.....but as my father Art may he RIP said "it takes all kinds."

The Rock wrote:

Some of us are interested in protecting riders and growing the sport not bringing up fuel issues given there aren't any. Bikes catching on fire isn't...

Some of us are interested in protecting riders and growing the sport not bringing up fuel issues given there aren't any. Bikes catching on fire isn't a legitimate concern. Sure it can happen but there have been a lot more rib, chest and back injuries for years and years and except for Mark Brelsford at the Daytona race back in the day I can't ever remember a bike or rider catching fire. Again not a legitimate opposing view in the context of the merits of upper body protection.

If you recall I complimented you earlier in the thread for your post but you lost credibility with your fuel and flame suit comment hence the troll label. I am one that is loathe to use labels and definitely prefer to keep things light. To that end however I sincerely apologize for my usage of the word troll. I enjoy debating but addressing an issue of flaming racers is outside my threshold of interest so I would really appreciate keeping your comments within the world of possibility.

EDIT: I misread your 99.9% comment. I agree upper body protection won't prevent all injuries but what's your point? Don't wear upper body protection because you'll get hurt anyway?

One thing I do know, Jake Weimer knows and most of us that race and ride here know you're better off with protection than without. This is the point, the only point. You are welcome to hold any position you want to but it is beyond me how ANYONE can't see the benefits of upper body protection if the 21st century world of hybrid SX/MX tracks is truly beyond me.....but as my father Art may he RIP said "it takes all kinds."