Motorcycle Licence - who has one?

Uncle Tony
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1/13/2015 5:18am
i had a road bike license but let it lapse, it can get nuts here in the New York city area, lost a few friends to accidents, not fun, but I'm sure in your part of England the roads are nice, and the people more motorcycle friendly, what kind of bike do you plan on getting? I had a 1980 Ducati Desmo darmah 900, sold it to a collector back in 1997, then picked up a xr650 and converted it to supermoto sold that in 02 and never rode street again
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1/13/2015 5:20am
Spydee wrote:
Some interesting stories and very good advice here, thanks guys. I'm 29 myself and don't have kids, so I only have to worry about myself which...
Some interesting stories and very good advice here, thanks guys. I'm 29 myself and don't have kids, so I only have to worry about myself which is why I intended on doing it this year. However, I'm now a little put off by some of the experiences you've encountered!

I suppose not being a street biker myself I assume it's all fun and games, but until you're placed into that scenario I can understand how other road users can be the most hazardous of all which kind of takes away the enjoyment of riding on two wheels.

I more than likely will get mine in the future, but I only intend on using it as a weekend toy and would not replace the car with it to commute back and forth to work.

UK roads users are actually very courteous compared to what I've witnessed on the roads in the States. When me and my old man went to Texas I refused to get behind the wheel because the highways were like a game of Russian roulette! So I think I'll stick to the Welsh roads...

I've never driven/ridden in the UK, but I was all over mainland Europe when I lived in Germany in the 90s. You are correct about courtesy. When I returned to the US, I didn't get behind the wheel for almost 2 weeks because of the unorganized chaos scared me. Europeans in general have a better respect for motorcycles and take driving more serious. Of course my experience in Europe predates everyone having smart phones so it may be different now.
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1/13/2015 5:31am
Uncle Tony wrote:
i had a road bike license but let it lapse, it can get nuts here in the New York city area, lost a few friends to...
i had a road bike license but let it lapse, it can get nuts here in the New York city area, lost a few friends to accidents, not fun, but I'm sure in your part of England the roads are nice, and the people more motorcycle friendly, what kind of bike do you plan on getting? I had a 1980 Ducati Desmo darmah 900, sold it to a collector back in 1997, then picked up a xr650 and converted it to supermoto sold that in 02 and never rode street again
I just googled 'worst cities for road rage' and New York was number 1 on the list! Looks similar to London in that you probably want to avoid driving around the city at all costs, and you probably get further on foot.

I haven't really looked into which bike I'd get, but I;d probably end up with an enduro bike or if I'm feeling really confident I'd go for the Yamaha R1 as I always grew up wanting that bike..
Uncle Tony
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1/13/2015 5:47am
Get the yamaha r1 for sure! Oh I also had a 1988 fzr750 yamaha, I'm a yamaha guy,Not shocked about New York the road rage capital, I'm one of the few who doesn't suffer from road rage lol

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1/13/2015 6:52am
I put on about 5000 miles a year on a road bike. A lot of beautiful roads in NY, Conn, Vermont and Penn.

Spydee
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1/13/2015 7:22am
That's one sweet looking motor dude.
1/13/2015 7:47am
Spydee wrote:
That's one sweet looking motor dude.
Thanks...I ride a lot a back roads through the mountains. I can't see me stop riding road bikes or dirt bikes until my body just can't do it anymore.

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1/13/2015 8:01am
Have had my endorsement since '95

Borrowed my buddy's ZX-7 and basically just had to ride around the block
and come back safely.

Had a 7 of my own and now my '99 CBR900RR....just a commuter though
saves the wear and tear on the truck.
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1/13/2015 8:02am
CR250Rider wrote:
Actually I don't have one of those. I have a license.
And a razor sharp wit......Dry

Got my first bike licence after getting caught going home from work rather fast on the 10 in downtown L.A. on a sunny Saturday afternoon - I thought I would need it before going to court. It's a shame I was one of the first ones called because watching what happened to defendants following my case was VERY informative and I certainly would not have plead guilty up-front if I'd known how it worked there!

Had to get a bike licence when I came back home and started using a ZX6 to commute into the centre of London. You know you're going quick when you can keep up with (and sometimes beat) the bike couriers in London rush hour(s) traffic.

I packed in riding road bikes a few years ago when I became just a little bit too aggressive. Since i'd never once crashed in all my years on two wheels, I could see it coming and just didn't fancy it.
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1/13/2015 8:18am Edited Date/Time 1/13/2015 8:19am
Uncle Tony wrote:
i had a road bike license but let it lapse, it can get nuts here in the New York city area, lost a few friends to...
i had a road bike license but let it lapse, it can get nuts here in the New York city area, lost a few friends to accidents, not fun, but I'm sure in your part of England the roads are nice, and the people more motorcycle friendly, what kind of bike do you plan on getting? I had a 1980 Ducati Desmo darmah 900, sold it to a collector back in 1997, then picked up a xr650 and converted it to supermoto sold that in 02 and never rode street again
Spydee wrote:
I just googled 'worst cities for road rage' and New York was number 1 on the list! Looks similar to London in that you probably want...
I just googled 'worst cities for road rage' and New York was number 1 on the list! Looks similar to London in that you probably want to avoid driving around the city at all costs, and you probably get further on foot.

I haven't really looked into which bike I'd get, but I;d probably end up with an enduro bike or if I'm feeling really confident I'd go for the Yamaha R1 as I always grew up wanting that bike..
I see you two's "love-in" is still on then! You wouldn't have let anyone else get away with saying Wales a part of England! Laughing Laughing Laughing

Oh, and don't let anyone put you off. If you've got off road skills ,car experience and a decent head on your shoulders you'll have a great time and be pretty safe. Never take your eyes off the other drivers around you. And if you can make eye contact with them, do.



Uncle Tony
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1/13/2015 8:30am
Hey paler I'm too old for spydee, we just like formula one,lol one day I have to figure out how many parts to Great Britain, didn't mean to offend
Spydee
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1/13/2015 9:57am
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I see you two's "love-in" is still on then! You wouldn't have let anyone else get away with saying Wales a part of England! :laugh: :laugh...
I see you two's "love-in" is still on then! You wouldn't have let anyone else get away with saying Wales a part of England! Laughing Laughing Laughing

Oh, and don't let anyone put you off. If you've got off road skills ,car experience and a decent head on your shoulders you'll have a great time and be pretty safe. Never take your eyes off the other drivers around you. And if you can make eye contact with them, do.



Haha!! I did bite my lip, but Tony is my buddy so I thought I'd let it slide... just this once Laughing Laughing Laughing
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1/13/2015 11:23am


4 Hours of pure bliss, riding through the twisisties in the little ninja was such a blast.

This picture was taken on November 9, 2014 9:52am on my way back from San Francisco at Carmel California.

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I had a Triumph Speed Triple (by far my favorite motorcycle) for about 4 years...I eventually sold it because I felt commuting was do dangerous (way to many close calls), and I spent all my weekends on the dirt, so I never rode it on the weekends either...

But on those warm spring days, I SURE miss that bike...I loved riding the canyons with my buddies. But I love riding dirt more, so I sold the bike.

I'll get another one as soon as I have a little more free time...and when my kids are older (I've got four kids 7,6, 4 and 1...and they need me right now)...but when I get another bike it will probably be something like an FJR1300 or similar. Comfy for the wife, can put lots of miles in the rear view (comfortably...for rider and passenger), and yet still has a sporty edge for the canyons.

My dad has a Goldwing...and I never thought I'd enjoy one of those bikes...but it sure is fun to ride...just don't try for any hair pin turns on that bad boy.
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1/13/2015 11:50am Edited Date/Time 1/13/2015 11:51am
I would think a cross country road trip or something like that would be cool to do on a bike. That's something I would like to do. Riding a CBR600 around here would be more to impress the ladies than anything else.
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1/13/2015 1:36pm
SF45 wrote:
I would think a cross country road trip or something like that would be cool to do on a bike. That's something I would like to...
I would think a cross country road trip or something like that would be cool to do on a bike. That's something I would like to do. Riding a CBR600 around here would be more to impress the ladies than anything else.
Well you wouldn't want to take that CBR on a cross country road trip...that's for sure. lol
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1/13/2015 3:28pm
I don't know how it goes in Wales, Spydee (or should I say "England" just to piss you off??)
But I passed my riding test pretty easily. I don't know how a new rider could possibly do it though - there are some pretty tough balancing tests here in California.

I don't own a streetbike. It would absolutely impossible for me to obey any speed limit on a motorcycle. I'd be doing 90 in a 25 M.P.H. zone with my left hand in my lap... because it's that easy.
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1/13/2015 3:58pm
SF45 wrote:
I would think a cross country road trip or something like that would be cool to do on a bike. That's something I would like to...
I would think a cross country road trip or something like that would be cool to do on a bike. That's something I would like to do. Riding a CBR600 around here would be more to impress the ladies than anything else.
Titan1 wrote:
Well you wouldn't want to take that CBR on a cross country road trip...that's for sure. lol
That's what I'm sayin Cool . CBR600= city bike, which is probably not worth the increased chance of dying to putt around in traffic. I want to get something like this, but cheaper, and just ride for a couple months. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/mcy/4838128164.html Camp on BLM land or whatever. It's on the bucket list.
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I've had mine for 27 years, some close calls but keep you eyes open and head on a swivel and you should be good.
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1/13/2015 4:28pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2015 11:35am
SF45 wrote:
I would think a cross country road trip or something like that would be cool to do on a bike. That's something I would like to...
I would think a cross country road trip or something like that would be cool to do on a bike. That's something I would like to do. Riding a CBR600 around here would be more to impress the ladies than anything else.
Titan1 wrote:
Well you wouldn't want to take that CBR on a cross country road trip...that's for sure. lol
SF45 wrote:
That's what I'm sayin B). CBR600= city bike, which is probably not worth the increased chance of dying to putt around in traffic. I want to...
That's what I'm sayin Cool . CBR600= city bike, which is probably not worth the increased chance of dying to putt around in traffic. I want to get something like this, but cheaper, and just ride for a couple months. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/mcy/4838128164.html Camp on BLM land or whatever. It's on the bucket list.
I'd use a 600 sport bike for a canyon bike...that bike begs to turn, and it'd be a waste to just do point and shoot city riding on it.

And a GS is definitely on my bucket list as well...adventure riding is going to be a part of my life just as soon as I stop racing. A tent and sleeping back, and dirt roads in the middle of nowhere just seems so fun!
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1/13/2015 6:14pm
Spydee wrote:
I just googled 'worst cities for road rage' and New York was number 1 on the list! Looks similar to London in that you probably want...
I just googled 'worst cities for road rage' and New York was number 1 on the list! Looks similar to London in that you probably want to avoid driving around the city at all costs, and you probably get further on foot.

I haven't really looked into which bike I'd get, but I;d probably end up with an enduro bike or if I'm feeling really confident I'd go for the Yamaha R1 as I always grew up wanting that bike..
19yrs for me. Test was easy but like others have said exaggerate your head movements and drag your rear brake for the slow manoeuvring tests.

As for the R1....watch out, too easy to go fast. Field gates are always next to the apex of a bend (tractors dragging mud onto road) along with manhole covers(like ice). Pigeons are the dumbest animals alive and love to play chicken with you. Try hitting one at 80+. Oh and a pheasant nearly killed me. 140 ish and it luckily went through my front forks but took my brake lines out. I must of looked like Rossi going round the next bend !

Enduro is the future(KTM300) esp with you living in Wales. Or a tourer like the BMW adventure, not long come back from a round trip to Sardinia. Road of bones is next for us i hope

Sports bike only good for blasts, try going on a long ride and you will need wrist and knee replacements !
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1/13/2015 11:58pm
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19yrs for me. Test was easy but like others have said exaggerate your head movements and drag your rear brake for the slow manoeuvring tests. As...
19yrs for me. Test was easy but like others have said exaggerate your head movements and drag your rear brake for the slow manoeuvring tests.

As for the R1....watch out, too easy to go fast. Field gates are always next to the apex of a bend (tractors dragging mud onto road) along with manhole covers(like ice). Pigeons are the dumbest animals alive and love to play chicken with you. Try hitting one at 80+. Oh and a pheasant nearly killed me. 140 ish and it luckily went through my front forks but took my brake lines out. I must of looked like Rossi going round the next bend !

Enduro is the future(KTM300) esp with you living in Wales. Or a tourer like the BMW adventure, not long come back from a round trip to Sardinia. Road of bones is next for us i hope

Sports bike only good for blasts, try going on a long ride and you will need wrist and knee replacements !
Funnily enough I was watching Long Way Round over Christmas and they travel on the road of bones through Russia. Looks sketchy as hell over that neck of the woods not just on the roads but in terms of the crime surrounding the area as well. I hope you aren't doing it alone! I was thinking the KTM myself, maybe in the future I'll come and see the road of bones with you!
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For a simple, reliable and very fun adventure bike it's hard to beat the KLR 650. I took this of my friend who's on an identical bike as mine as we were traveling on the Denali Highway. That trip was amazing, we camped in the woods every night. And even rode through a blizzard in the Canadian Rockies. Plus we counted over 30 bears during our trip. One was even scratching at our tent while we were trying to sleep. We scared him off once, but he was curious and came back again about 30 minutes later. We were so tired, we eventually just fell asleep.

After my friend ended his trip in Boise, I continued on through the Sierras and then down Highway 1. Even on this slow pig those twisty roads were way too much fun.


1/20/2015 9:37pm Edited Date/Time 1/20/2015 9:41pm
scott_nz wrote:
i know of a tester here that failed a top NZ enduro racer for keeping his fingers on the clutch and brake levers at all times...
i know of a tester here that failed a top NZ enduro racer for keeping his fingers on the clutch and brake levers at all times, he said that you could not control a motorcycle that way, his reply is that if i can hold onto a 500cc endruo bike at full throttle though sand whoops he will be fine did not go down well, he still got failed,

i found you had to overdo your head movements to make sure the tester (who follows behind in a car in NZ) knows you are looking both ways etc,
Funny you tell this little story, at my first lesson i was told NOT to have a finger on the clutch and/or brake. AND to clutch/ brake with 4 fingers. Totally contrary to what i was used to from MX.

Few years later i do a trackday lesson and the first they tell me is to brake with 2 fingers max. Laughing

Those 'daily driving' instructors can't even pop a wheelie or slide into a corner.... Weird thing is, the only thing they do have allot of experience in (traffic) is not even taught/advised properly.
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1/21/2015 2:55am Edited Date/Time 1/21/2015 2:58am
35 plus years for me on the road...expect the unexpected and beware of old people and the most dangerous thing on the road , a young girl behind the wheel....
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1/21/2015 5:12am
scott_nz wrote:
i know of a tester here that failed a top NZ enduro racer for keeping his fingers on the clutch and brake levers at all times...
i know of a tester here that failed a top NZ enduro racer for keeping his fingers on the clutch and brake levers at all times, he said that you could not control a motorcycle that way, his reply is that if i can hold onto a 500cc endruo bike at full throttle though sand whoops he will be fine did not go down well, he still got failed,

i found you had to overdo your head movements to make sure the tester (who follows behind in a car in NZ) knows you are looking both ways etc,
Funny you tell this little story, at my first lesson i was told NOT to have a finger on the clutch and/or brake. AND to clutch/...
Funny you tell this little story, at my first lesson i was told NOT to have a finger on the clutch and/or brake. AND to clutch/ brake with 4 fingers. Totally contrary to what i was used to from MX.

Few years later i do a trackday lesson and the first they tell me is to brake with 2 fingers max. Laughing

Those 'daily driving' instructors can't even pop a wheelie or slide into a corner.... Weird thing is, the only thing they do have allot of experience in (traffic) is not even taught/advised properly.
The last time I took a refresher class, they were saying the same thing about braking with all four fingers. I think since then (about 7-8 yrs ago) they are saying two is ok because brakes are so powerful now. I could be wrong though. Which reminds me, I should sign up for another refresher next year.

As far as keeping the brake and clutch lever covered, that's just a good safety habit in my opinion. I know in the US, the classes I have taken tell you to keep them covered, especially at intersections.
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1/21/2015 10:15am Edited Date/Time 1/21/2015 10:17am
I've had mine since I was 14. I did not ride street when my kids were young---but as soon as the last one graduated from high school I went out and promptly bought my first Harley. My Grandad would be proud, as he was a shovel and pan man....

Here's a tip: I'm on my third one now...and my current scooter is the oldest / highest mileage bike I have owned. You don't need the latest greatest and you will actually meet a better group with an older bike with provenance. Sitting in my parking deck at work is my 2001 HD with 67k. It is a FLHPEI, which is the police Road King model for California. I named it "Moses" because when motorists see this gallant black/white beast-----they get the hell out of your way! Of course, I'm sure many are pissed after I pass---but I'm gone by then. I have a buddy who is a retired LAPD Motor Officer who recites a study that says motorists are more likely to hesitate an additional 2 seconds when observing a motorcycle in black/white enforcement livery. Two seconds can save your life. From personal experience, I believe the metrics he espouses.

Regarding traffic, I ride PCH from HB to NB damn near every day. Texting motorists are the biggest problem, although I find an incredible amount of hostility (in general) by some motorists towards bikes. I get tired of dodging idiots, but I can no longer ride dirt and I cannot and will not quit riding.

I'm okay 'going out' doing something that brings me sheer pleasure. I'm not okay wasting away in a nursing home.....

It's your life---live it.
Scraping platform on a daily basis.......
Cheers.
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1/22/2015 2:18pm
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Curious to see how many of you guys have a valid motorcycle road licence. I've wanted to get mine ever since I threw my leg over...
Curious to see how many of you guys have a valid motorcycle road licence. I've wanted to get mine ever since I threw my leg over a dirt bike when I was a teen, and now I'm seriously considering pursing my dream this year.

Obviously I can ride a motorcycle, just need to be clued up on the road safety awareness. I've held my (car) driving licence for over ten years so that's an advantage at least. I was thinking of just having an days worth of training then diving straight onto my the practical test... how hard could it be?

Any tips or advice from you road bikers out there?
Here, here!

When the tester asks you to ride around the block, don't ask "on one wheel or two?"
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When I got my mine there was one other guy taking the test. The trooper in charge was writing on his clip board while the guy was hitting every cone, dabbing everywhere and in general, scaring me just watching. The only things he didn't do was kill the engine or crash. The trooper never looked up. Didn't see any of it. I thought, that guy might get killed on the way home. I'm sure it's different these days.

It can be startling how stupid people are on the road. I've been run off the road numerous times by people who never even knew they almost killed me. I've had to jump off into the ditch beside the road to keep from getting hit from behind. I heard the guy's tires squealing and just dumped the clutch. Had to stop and turn my bars to keep from getting hit head on by two cars running a stop sign. The first guy missed me by less than two feet. The second driver saw me at the last second and ran off the other side of the road. I can still see his eyes. On the same day not thirty minutes later, a woman on her phone turned in front of me. Her daughter in the passenger seat screaming. That's the hardest I've been on the brakes in my life. I took a couple of weeks off after that day. I consider myself a very careful driver and rider. I get bent when people drive recklessly. Too many distractions. Not enough consequences for 'accidents'. A friend of mine was hit head on and nearly killed by a kid messing with his phone. He ran off his side of the road and jerked it back on. Crossed the center line and bam. Wrong place. Wrong time. It's unlikely that anyone could have avoided that crash no matter how careful. These days, I ride a dual sport bike and run full knobbies. I'm not tempted to go fast on pavement and I have traction when we hit dirt roads and trails. Something right now is either killing us or, waiting to kill us. You can't not live from fear of dying. I would never try to talk anyone out of riding bikes on or off road. I would however, recommend that you be VERY aware of others on the road. More importantly, be sure you know where you're going when you leave from here.
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1/23/2015 10:47am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2015 5:18pm
When I got my mine there was one other guy taking the test. The trooper in charge was writing on his clip board while the guy...
When I got my mine there was one other guy taking the test. The trooper in charge was writing on his clip board while the guy was hitting every cone, dabbing everywhere and in general, scaring me just watching. The only things he didn't do was kill the engine or crash. The trooper never looked up. Didn't see any of it. I thought, that guy might get killed on the way home. I'm sure it's different these days.

It can be startling how stupid people are on the road. I've been run off the road numerous times by people who never even knew they almost killed me. I've had to jump off into the ditch beside the road to keep from getting hit from behind. I heard the guy's tires squealing and just dumped the clutch. Had to stop and turn my bars to keep from getting hit head on by two cars running a stop sign. The first guy missed me by less than two feet. The second driver saw me at the last second and ran off the other side of the road. I can still see his eyes. On the same day not thirty minutes later, a woman on her phone turned in front of me. Her daughter in the passenger seat screaming. That's the hardest I've been on the brakes in my life. I took a couple of weeks off after that day. I consider myself a very careful driver and rider. I get bent when people drive recklessly. Too many distractions. Not enough consequences for 'accidents'. A friend of mine was hit head on and nearly killed by a kid messing with his phone. He ran off his side of the road and jerked it back on. Crossed the center line and bam. Wrong place. Wrong time. It's unlikely that anyone could have avoided that crash no matter how careful. These days, I ride a dual sport bike and run full knobbies. I'm not tempted to go fast on pavement and I have traction when we hit dirt roads and trails. Something right now is either killing us or, waiting to kill us. You can't not live from fear of dying. I would never try to talk anyone out of riding bikes on or off road. I would however, recommend that you be VERY aware of others on the road. More importantly, be sure you know where you're going when you leave from here.
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