1986 CR 250 RC project/rep/build up.. IT'S FINISHED!!!

1/8/2015 4:57am Edited Date/Time 1/9/2015 12:52pm
Updates have been a long time coming! Im so busy with other customers work that I just don't have time to put into the 86. But over the last few months I've got a few bits done.

The first thing is the brake pedal. With the pivot point being in a completely different place than any "stock" CR, a stock pedal just wouldn't fit. So I've had to make one. I've still got a little bit to go till its finished, Its been welded already (it's 3 pieces, the pedal it's self, the part that goes to the master cylinder and a little spacer between the 2 pieces) I now need to bore the pivot hole and press in a bronze bush, then machine up the tip.

It wasn't easy, bending 7mm 7075 alloy is HARD!!!! But I'm really pleased with how it's come out! Its been shaped a little more than in these pics with some nice blended chamfers.







1/8/2015 5:17am Edited Date/Time 1/9/2015 1:02pm
Got the front brake sorted! Thanks to Chuck Davis102 for the caliper!! It's a much later caliper but I've had it powder coated satin black so it looks more "period" correct. I really didn't like how the original caliper had 2 pad slide pins, and well, it was completely knackered!!

The pistons, and both slide pins are Titanium. The Banjo bolt is alloy. All new seals/rubbers and OEM pad springs etc.

Sorry for the slightly blurry pics but the light in that part of the shop is terrible and my phone just won't take a decent photo!









To finish off the front brake set up I've gone with a CR/CRF front master cylinder. (I think this is off a 2003) I wanted to go with this set up cause I can still get the rubber cover!! I've had it all vapour blasted and it's been rebuilt with a new OEM piston and seal kit, and the rubber cover of course!!

The counter sunk screws for the cap are Ti.. yeh, they were fun to make!!! (I will be replacing the cap with a billet one in due course!) All the other bolts and nuts are Ti as well. The banjo bolt is again, alloy.












newmann
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1/8/2015 6:00am
Amazing stuff sir. Much appreciation for what you do.

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1/9/2015 7:30am
Nice work Rob, you give us some great ideas ! I'm going to copy your ideas hehe !
Another top of the line resto that CR !
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1/9/2015 7:34am
What no forming die's for the rear brake pedal?[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/01/09/76413/s1200_image.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/01/09/76414/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
What no forming die's for the rear brake pedal?



I could grind those welds down smooth for you Rob if you wanted to try again!Smile One day I'm looking forward to getting my tig set up and make a first ever attempt at welding aluminum. There is definitely an art to it.
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1/9/2015 7:40am
What no forming die's for the rear brake pedal?[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/01/09/76413/s1200_image.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/01/09/76414/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
What no forming die's for the rear brake pedal?



Well, since your criticizing again.... Guess I'll throw in my 2 cents on your work Rob. Those look like shit, some people just shouldn't be allowed near a welder.

Excelent work Stevie, love this build man.
1/9/2015 9:28am Edited Date/Time 1/9/2015 11:39am
This is fun, yes when All you wanna be's make your own brake pedals,

You can post pictures!
But I guess that will never happen!

The form die's, and all the prototype pedals
were made in about 4 hours in a garage,

All you big talkers show your work!
wa wa wa wa
Ha ha ha!

Newmann , yes you can grind with little gang of followers
that is all you can do!
1/9/2015 9:38am
You clowns cannot even read!
I asked where the form die was!

But not one of you have ever made one!
please post pics of your formed bike parts

I want to see!
sgthubbard#60
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1/9/2015 11:52am
This is fun, yes when All you wanna be's make your own brake pedals, You can post pictures! But I guess that will never happen! The...
This is fun, yes when All you wanna be's make your own brake pedals,

You can post pictures!
But I guess that will never happen!

The form die's, and all the prototype pedals
were made in about 4 hours in a garage,

All you big talkers show your work!
wa wa wa wa
Ha ha ha!

Newmann , yes you can grind with little gang of followers
that is all you can do!
It took 4 hours to make those? Lol
newmann
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1/9/2015 12:01pm
This is fun, yes when All you wanna be's make your own brake pedals, You can post pictures! But I guess that will never happen! The...
This is fun, yes when All you wanna be's make your own brake pedals,

You can post pictures!
But I guess that will never happen!

The form die's, and all the prototype pedals
were made in about 4 hours in a garage,

All you big talkers show your work!
wa wa wa wa
Ha ha ha!

Newmann , yes you can grind with little gang of followers
that is all you can do!
LOL. I've made it plenty clear many of times that if I can't cut it with a saw, bend it in a vice or drill it by hand it probably won't get done. Stated that many times. I'm probably a bigger fan of your work than most people Rob, just for the fact that you claim to make most of your stuff with a minimum of equipment. Not going to clutter Stevie's thread with the junk I've built.
1/9/2015 12:17pm Edited Date/Time 1/9/2015 1:27pm
No forming die's Rob!
I started with a cardboard template to get a feel for the shape, then I made a second in thin alloy sheet, something I could actually bolt on the bike and see how it fitted. Then I programmed the outside profile on the mill, which, when your just kinda "winging it" was interesting!! Then it was onto the bender to bend and twist it into the correct shape.

1/9/2015 3:03pm Edited Date/Time 1/9/2015 3:06pm
It was never an insult, Your posts are great

I just work in a rapid prototype, repair shop, no time for writing cnc programs, we only hours to fab, finish, or repair parts

I first driiled/ then reamed the pivot holes on a flat plate, then also made a quick cardboard pattern, traced onto aluminum
cut out with band saw(5 minutes each)

Matched drilled/ reamed pivot hole thru steel blocks/ varied thickness pieces to match conture of stock pedal
mirror images of each
Machined a matching A2 pin to hold pedal cut out
inserted parts together, put in press, applied pressure/ pedal formed to exact mulitple bends(81-83 RM pedal)
lathe turmed pivot pins, .005 press , pressed in
milled pocket for tip's
machined tip, by hand on Bridgeport pressed tip on
tigged welded parts together
used a c'sunk A2 allen thru
machined a oilite frame bushing
and oring coller for the back of the mount

three pedals were made to check length,
stop height, test fit on bike , checked with
boot on to see which pedal worked the best

1/9/2015 4:00pm
I didn't see it as one at all Rob, just a question from another "hands on" guy! I have to fit all my own stuff in with my work orders, usually on a quiet day, when I'm only running one machine! Most days I'm tuning at least 2 at the same time. I can get a few minutes done here and there. I was on the pedal for probably 3 days... But only getting 10-15mins on it at a time!
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1/9/2015 4:38pm
Truly amazing build Stevie!

Going to leave the twin shocks and go Evo next year?

By the way, for those of you who don't know, Stevie can ride as well as he builds.
1/10/2015 1:23am
berniepiet wrote:
Truly amazing build Stevie! Going to leave the twin shocks and go Evo next year? By the way, for those of you who don't know, Stevie...
Truly amazing build Stevie!

Going to leave the twin shocks and go Evo next year?

By the way, for those of you who don't know, Stevie can ride as well as he builds.
I'm hoping to do both Berniepiet! I absolutley adore my twinshock so I couldn't ever leave her behind!

I'm not sure this one will be fininshed in time for me to ride it in our national series but it will be ready for the vets MXDN in september...

Thanks for the compliment, I wish it were true though! HA! I can get round the track ok.... when I've got my head on right that is!

Stevie
1/10/2015 2:01am
These pics bring it right up to date.

The rear chain guide plate was, as you can see, completely f**ked!! I spent a good few weeks looking at it and scratching my head thinking "how am I going to do this?" The double bend in it makes measuring and programing it a little difficult... I tried but I really couldn't get anything I was happy with. Then "ping" It hit me! I flattened out the bend in the vice!!

I decided not to CNC it as there are no straight edges on it so finding a datum to work from was difficult. I set to with a piercing saw, the pillar drill and some files!! I finally got to use my guitar making qualifications!!

Then I put the bends in on the sheet bender. It fitted perfectly! Once I'd vapour blasted it and given it rub over with some wire wool it looked spot on! We have a guy come and work with us part time in the evenings, he's a tool maker and there isn't a lot he can't do, (he's also a brilliant teacher and a great friend) he though I'd CNC'd it!!

To finish it off I made titanium lower screws as per the factory bike with a machined "+" in the head.









The last part to finish off the motor was the Power valve adjuster assy. Again the original was knackered. The adjuster screw needs to be hardened so its made from silver steel. (which can be hardened with a blow torch!)
The base "nut" is Titanium as is the lock nut (not pictured) these only have an M5 x 0.5mm thread in them. Tapping Titanium is hard, really hard, doing just these 2 small parts destroyed a brand new tap!




Thanks to my good friend Keith winding me up, I ended up doing stuff I really had no intention of making.

Kill switch clamp screw, the screws for the clutch lever cover all in Titanium. These are SOOOOO fiddly, they really tested my patience! The ones on the rubber cover are M3x5mm!

Obviously the pivot bolt and pinch bolts are TI aswell.



M4 carb float bowl screws.



The M5 screws for the rear brake hose guides.



Stevie


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1/10/2015 2:54am
Thanks again!!

I wait updates to this thread more than to any other thread here. This is amazing work!
1/10/2015 5:23am
Crazyyyyy!!! I can't wait to see you tear it round Farleigh in September!
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1/10/2015 9:40am
Wow just amazing, everything is freaking amazing, ur doing better than a good job, that bike is totally awesome!!
1/12/2015 9:02am
Lots of talent here between Stevie D and Rob B ! ( hey it rhymes )
Gives us all ideas as how to go about it.
If only you guys were closer you could both mentor me hahaha !
Nice job, thanks for sharing.
1/13/2015 1:57am
Huge applause!
Can't wait to see it finished!
Smile
1/13/2015 1:59am
I know it took hundred/thousand hours of patience but is really worthy...
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1/24/2015 7:56am
Wow, amazing work! Your chain guard plate is top notch. Do you have any experience mounting an 87+ plate to the 86 chain guide, as there are no production plates for the 86? 86 and 87 chain guards are different part numbers, so I am hesitant to order a NOS 87 guard for my 86 cr250 restoration. Thanks in advance!
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1/24/2015 9:12am
Jibrok1 wrote:
Wow, amazing work! Your chain guard plate is top notch. Do you have any experience mounting an 87+ plate to the 86 chain guide, as there...
Wow, amazing work! Your chain guard plate is top notch. Do you have any experience mounting an 87+ plate to the 86 chain guide, as there are no production plates for the 86? 86 and 87 chain guards are different part numbers, so I am hesitant to order a NOS 87 guard for my 86 cr250 restoration. Thanks in advance!
Jlbrok1,
You need one of these to mount over the stock plastic guide on your 86 CR. Drop me a line at keithrpalmer@yahoo.co.uk


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1/24/2015 12:46pm
Jibrok1 wrote:
Wow, amazing work! Your chain guard plate is top notch. Do you have any experience mounting an 87+ plate to the 86 chain guide, as there...
Wow, amazing work! Your chain guard plate is top notch. Do you have any experience mounting an 87+ plate to the 86 chain guide, as there are no production plates for the 86? 86 and 87 chain guards are different part numbers, so I am hesitant to order a NOS 87 guard for my 86 cr250 restoration. Thanks in advance!
Yeh, Keith is the man for one of those. The '87
2/15/2015 9:09pm
Any updates? I check daily but have been disappointed lately.

Absolutely beautiful build.
2/18/2015 10:43am
Any updates? I check daily but have been disappointed lately.

Absolutely beautiful build.
Sadly, I've got an absolutely huge work load at the moment, so it's on hold for a bit.

Hopefully it will be ready August-ish, in time for the VetsMXdN. I cant wait to ride it, and seeing it every day is driving me nuts but earning a living is coming first at the moment.

Stevie
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3/17/2015 10:00pm
This makes my 86 rebuild pretty pathetic, great work. Can't wait to see it finished

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