Less Suspension Travel for SX?

IntenseRider
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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 11:22am
So, I was thinking about some of the current suspension trends in mountain bikes and it made me question the suspension used in SX. Specifically, in the MTB world, there has been a progression over the last few years to increase the travel (6-10 inches) for Freeride/Big Hit bikes while the opposite has been true for 4X , Super D, Slalom racing, etc. The bikes used for these events typically have 4 or less inches of travel and sometimes even hardtails (no suspension in the rear) are used.

To me, these latter events are more closely related to SX in that you have "ramp to ramp" type jumps and banked berms as compared to the "drop" style landings in freeriding where more travel comes in handy. In these events that use artificial (i.e.; man-made jumps and turns) courses, the riders have found less travel to be better in that when you have to react, you don't want the suspension to be wallowing mid-stroke.

This made me wonder about the current SX bikes and the standard "12ish" inches of travel that most bikes have. Aside from a longer travel bike maybe having an advantage in the whoops, would a shorter travel (e.g., 8-9 inches) bike overall work better for SX? Or, would the forces that are applied to the suspension due to the motor negate any advantages of having less travel?

Not going to save the world with the question, but I was just curious if the "less is more" approach has been taken by any riders.
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10/23/2008 9:12am
you still have big hit on an SX track where you'd need the full amount of travel not to mention WHOOPS probably use most of the travel now adays to absorb the speeds and impact of todays bikes....
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10/23/2008 9:33am
Would weaker brakes make the riders faster?
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10/23/2008 9:35am
babba boey wrote:
Would weaker brakes make the riders faster?
hahaha i was thinking more like no brakes at all
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10/23/2008 11:02am
Seems like ten or so inches worked well for RC. Those Honda's of his sat awful low.

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10/23/2008 11:06am
the top guys set up their front suspensions so firm they don't seem to move at all in the whoops....... sx is all about corner speed.... maybe a lower cg would help raise corner speed a bit......
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10/23/2008 11:20am
I think the true performance for SX is in the valving.
As Newman mentioned regarding Carmichaels bikes... The way the bike was set up it was built to sit lower in the stroke but very firm. having the extra travel used for drop-out in the whoops.
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10/23/2008 12:02pm
XC mountain bikes have less travel to

a) Increase pedaling efficiency

b) Save weight

You don't pedal a motorcycle and there are better places to save weight than simplifying the suspension
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10/23/2008 12:20pm
I wish all the riders had 6 inches of travel and I had 12, I would lap everyone. Does that answer your question.
10/23/2008 1:17pm
how about langstons shock braking and he still did a triple damn near perfect.
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10/23/2008 1:43pm
how about langstons shock braking and he still did a triple damn near perfect.
could he still seat bounce?
10/23/2008 7:54pm
So, I was thinking about some of the current suspension trends in mountain bikes and it made me question the suspension used in SX. Specifically, in...
So, I was thinking about some of the current suspension trends in mountain bikes and it made me question the suspension used in SX. Specifically, in the MTB world, there has been a progression over the last few years to increase the travel (6-10 inches) for Freeride/Big Hit bikes while the opposite has been true for 4X , Super D, Slalom racing, etc. The bikes used for these events typically have 4 or less inches of travel and sometimes even hardtails (no suspension in the rear) are used.

To me, these latter events are more closely related to SX in that you have "ramp to ramp" type jumps and banked berms as compared to the "drop" style landings in freeriding where more travel comes in handy. In these events that use artificial (i.e.; man-made jumps and turns) courses, the riders have found less travel to be better in that when you have to react, you don't want the suspension to be wallowing mid-stroke.

This made me wonder about the current SX bikes and the standard "12ish" inches of travel that most bikes have. Aside from a longer travel bike maybe having an advantage in the whoops, would a shorter travel (e.g., 8-9 inches) bike overall work better for SX? Or, would the forces that are applied to the suspension due to the motor negate any advantages of having less travel?

Not going to save the world with the question, but I was just curious if the "less is more" approach has been taken by any riders.
carmichael did it, he had less travel then most riders out there. i think about roughly 2 inches. both the goose and ricky were asked about it i'd say a few years ago. it was just the way ricky liked his suspension. i think it depends on a riders style and comfort level. most would probably take the longer travel though.
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10/23/2008 9:43pm
I think the OP is on to something...especially for shorter dudes. The lower CG would make the bike so much more controllable.

RC's bikes didn't look 2 inches shorter, they looked 4 inches shorter.

Another thing why this would work in SX...like the OP said, if you land the jumps right you don't need much travel. I bet you use more up travel taking off than you do landing...when done right. The whoops don't care about a lot of travel, just throttle and wheel base.

MX is a completely different story and that's why it is so much more badass than SX!
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10/23/2008 10:32pm
newmann wrote:
Seems like ten or so inches worked well for RC. Those Honda's of his sat awful low.
I never had any complaints that my 10 inches wasn't enough...
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10/24/2008 5:42am
Guys with a bmx background would DOMINATE.

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