Are There Any Products You Feel Are Missing In The Motocross Marketplace?

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O___o 11/14/2014 8:13am
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Daryl. Road cone works pretty good for helmet and boots. go to southfork sunday.
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Zesiger 112 11/14/2014 8:19am
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Not really an aftermarket product. But I want to see manufactures put grease fittings in the frame at the swing arm bearings and at the steering stem. Make service a lot easier. A few in the linkage and hubs wouldn't hurt either
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Digital pit boards. Seriously.
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Forty 11/14/2014 8:36am
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queen of spodes wrote:
Affordable, durable and lower-performance motocross bikes. Few of us have $7k to drop on a new 125 and that's pretty much as cheap as you can...
Affordable, durable and lower-performance motocross bikes. Few of us have $7k to drop on a new 125 and that's pretty much as cheap as you can get in a new full sized MXer.
I'd like to see a stock $7000.00 dirt bike come with brakes that work and front suspension that does not have to be sent out immediately for valving and set up.

Todays bikes are both amazing and poorly done. The manufacturers should work on the poorly done part, a purchaser should not have to spend an additional $1000.00+ after purchase.

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Darryl916 11/14/2014 8:41am
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Zesiger 112 wrote:
Not really an aftermarket product. But I want to see manufactures put grease fittings in the frame at the swing arm bearings and at the steering...
Not really an aftermarket product. But I want to see manufactures put grease fittings in the frame at the swing arm bearings and at the steering stem. Make service a lot easier. A few in the linkage and hubs wouldn't hurt either
YES! I forgot that. Been saying it for years. Trail/ dual sport bikes have them. Can't add that much weight.

But you know, we could just drill and tap our own swing arm and linkage.








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motosmith 11/14/2014 8:53am
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O___o wrote:
linkage bearings should be cartridge bearings. there's no real reason why, that in 2014, they should be looseball, unsealed roller bearings. (other than japanese stubborness and...
linkage bearings should be cartridge bearings. there's no real reason why, that in 2014, they should be looseball, unsealed roller bearings. (other than japanese stubborness and obsession with "feel")


If one were so inclined, they could put together a cartridge bearing conversion kit for the linkage, include modified hardware if needed. Call your company 'lifetime linkage" and offer some sort of warranty.

All I ask for my idea is a box full.
It's kinda fun when bearings bounce across the garage floor and roll under tool boxes.

Sealed bearings? Wheres the fun in that?
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Cygnus 11/14/2014 9:20am
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O___o wrote:
linkage bearings should be cartridge bearings. there's no real reason why, that in 2014, they should be looseball, unsealed roller bearings. (other than japanese stubborness and...
linkage bearings should be cartridge bearings. there's no real reason why, that in 2014, they should be looseball, unsealed roller bearings. (other than japanese stubborness and obsession with "feel")


If one were so inclined, they could put together a cartridge bearing conversion kit for the linkage, include modified hardware if needed. Call your company 'lifetime linkage" and offer some sort of warranty.

All I ask for my idea is a box full.
motosmith wrote:
It's kinda fun when bearings bounce across the garage floor and roll under tool boxes.

Sealed bearings? Wheres the fun in that?
An old member here that worked in a machine shop made some swingRm and linkage bearings out of a new polymer they were testing and I remember them lasting good in the tests but he never brought them to market. Lighter weight and smooth as could be.
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Skippie 11/14/2014 3:05pm
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Forty wrote:
I'd like to see a stock $7000.00 dirt bike come with brakes that work and front suspension that does not have to be sent out immediately...
I'd like to see a stock $7000.00 dirt bike come with brakes that work and front suspension that does not have to be sent out immediately for valving and set up.

Todays bikes are both amazing and poorly done. The manufacturers should work on the poorly done part, a purchaser should not have to spend an additional $1000.00+ after purchase.
Uhhh what? How exactly do you expect the mfgs. to give it a set up that works for a 155lb guy and a 200lb guy right out of the box?
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Forty 11/14/2014 3:28pm
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Forty wrote:
I'd like to see a stock $7000.00 dirt bike come with brakes that work and front suspension that does not have to be sent out immediately...
I'd like to see a stock $7000.00 dirt bike come with brakes that work and front suspension that does not have to be sent out immediately for valving and set up.

Todays bikes are both amazing and poorly done. The manufacturers should work on the poorly done part, a purchaser should not have to spend an additional $1000.00+ after purchase.
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Uhhh what? How exactly do you expect the mfgs. to give it a set up that works for a 155lb guy and a 200lb guy right...
Uhhh what? How exactly do you expect the mfgs. to give it a set up that works for a 155lb guy and a 200lb guy right out of the box?
They cannot, I get that, however they can offer a range of adjustability for your weight/skill level.

My example is the fork on my 2013 RMZ 450. Unacceptable as stock. Not even adjustable as it was way over sprung and the valving was incorrect at install. The local suspension cat that tuned the fork said it was fucked from the get go, un-rideable as issued. That's not acceptable for $7000.00.

I see the 2015 450s are in the 8500.00 range. For $8500.00 one should not have to spend another 1500.00 on shit to make it rideable. IMO

I should say that now that we have the fork and shock tuned it is the best mx bike I've ever owned and I've been doing moto since 1972.


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luke99 11/14/2014 3:54pm
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Gringoe wrote:
Interesting thought but I don't think would translate to Moto. The only reason besides performance in the pedal stroke, is you use them on a bicycle...
Interesting thought but I don't think would translate to Moto. The only reason besides performance in the pedal stroke, is you use them on a bicycle is to pick the back end up with your legs, and that wouldn't be necessary or really feasible on a Moto bike.
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The only reason I used to use clip-ins on the MTB was because it holds your foot on the pedal in the same spot all the...
The only reason I used to use clip-ins on the MTB was because it holds your foot on the pedal in the same spot all the time. I don't notice any increase in power, and it seems to be the trend that people are moving back towards flat pedals lately. With the amount of awesome pedals (and footpegs) on the market today, you can get enough grip to hold your foot as good as a clip-in style. If it were me, I'd take a $100 pair of flat pedals over $100 clip-ins any day.

You'd be better off making moto footpegs with removable/adjustable pins... except I already have those on my bike, so never mind haha
Your not pedalling as efficiently as you could then. You should be pulling up with one leg as the other pushes down.
Helps when your tired too Tongue
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TailSoHard 11/14/2014 6:50pm
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luke99 wrote:
Your not pedalling as efficiently as you could then. You should be pulling up with one leg as the other pushes down. Helps when your tired...
Your not pedalling as efficiently as you could then. You should be pulling up with one leg as the other pushes down.
Helps when your tired too Tongue
Yeah, I'd have to agree, but:

Flat pedals=more fun
More fun=more smiles/gallon

Flat pedals have come a long way, and all my buddies that clip in will hop on my hardtail an come back and say "dude, I went to take my foot off the pedal and it was just stuck there and i almost ate sh*t". And thats with a $50 pair of flat pedals. My $175 flat pedals are even better. Still nothing like clip-ins, but pretty damn impressive.
swedishfishmx 11/14/2014 8:25pm
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Gringoe wrote:
Interesting thought but I don't think would translate to Moto. The only reason besides performance in the pedal stroke, is you use them on a bicycle...
Interesting thought but I don't think would translate to Moto. The only reason besides performance in the pedal stroke, is you use them on a bicycle is to pick the back end up with your legs, and that wouldn't be necessary or really feasible on a Moto bike.
TailSoHard wrote:
The only reason I used to use clip-ins on the MTB was because it holds your foot on the pedal in the same spot all the...
The only reason I used to use clip-ins on the MTB was because it holds your foot on the pedal in the same spot all the time. I don't notice any increase in power, and it seems to be the trend that people are moving back towards flat pedals lately. With the amount of awesome pedals (and footpegs) on the market today, you can get enough grip to hold your foot as good as a clip-in style. If it were me, I'd take a $100 pair of flat pedals over $100 clip-ins any day.

You'd be better off making moto footpegs with removable/adjustable pins... except I already have those on my bike, so never mind haha
luke99 wrote:
Your not pedalling as efficiently as you could then. You should be pulling up with one leg as the other pushes down. Helps when your tired...
Your not pedalling as efficiently as you could then. You should be pulling up with one leg as the other pushes down.
Helps when your tired too Tongue
Actually Global Cycling Network did a study and found that flat pedals can actually produce more power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNedIJBZpgM

That being said I roadbike on clipless and mtb on platforms.
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I dont have photos but i once seen a custom made moto box that was in the back of a long wheel base truck with enclosed storage over the cab of the truck back to the tail gate. Had a few bikes in it and had purpose built storage. Had two holes on the top to life it off with a tractor. He had a hitch rack with fuel cooler and a gen on it and they would sleep in the back on a air mattress after the bikes were out. Looks like a city truck
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Someone selling brand new 2008 CRF450s with steel valves for $4999. Bulletproof, cheap, and competitive.
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Adam43 wrote:
Someone selling brand new 2008 CRF450s with steel valves for $4999. Bulletproof, cheap, and competitive.
Stock '06-'08 KXF resolves the Honda-Head issue.
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Carpal tunnel surgery sorted (In response to cure for arm pump)

How about an air shift system?

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4stroke4DWIN 11/16/2014 4:44pm
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This could solve all the moaning lol.



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JM485 11/16/2014 9:01pm
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O___o wrote:
linkage bearings should be cartridge bearings. there's no real reason why, that in 2014, they should be looseball, unsealed roller bearings. (other than japanese stubborness and...
linkage bearings should be cartridge bearings. there's no real reason why, that in 2014, they should be looseball, unsealed roller bearings. (other than japanese stubborness and obsession with "feel")


If one were so inclined, they could put together a cartridge bearing conversion kit for the linkage, include modified hardware if needed. Call your company 'lifetime linkage" and offer some sort of warranty.

All I ask for my idea is a box full.
I'm actually working on a linkage design right now, that's a very interesting idea. I might just have to take a look at that option, maybe design two versions, one with the stock bearings and one with the sealed bearings.
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bigborefan 11/16/2014 10:37pm
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Center stands for 4-Strokes. No more lifting that heavy pig or having to haul my bike stand to the track.
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Gravel 11/17/2014 1:27am
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Don't know how economically feasible this idea is, but how about a 25-35 hp universal replacement engine? Could revive all those blown up 4 strokes that are getting parted out instead of being ridden. Could be 2 stroke or 4, air cooling or liquid, an air cooled smoker would be the direction I'd like to see. Displacement to be determined, bigger and lighter stressed would be best, in my mind. Pipe and mount kits would have to be specific to each chassis. Chinese made? Would make for a fun race class if it caught on..
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robkinuk wrote:
Carpal tunnel surgery sorted (In response to cure for arm pump) [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/11/16/70717/s1200_2014_11_15_17.36.46.jpg[/img] How about an air shift system?
Carpal tunnel surgery sorted (In response to cure for arm pump)

How about an air shift system?
YESSS!! Id love something like this but I don't think an air shifter would be any good on an mx bike. Because you then have to have an air pump to supply pressure, a small air tank for volume, air lines & electric over air switch/actuator. All this adds weight and takes up room, both of wich are at a premium on an mx bike. A solenoid used to actuate the shifter mechanism would be better, and could be rather compact I suppose, although I don't know what size solenoid you would need to get the power needed to shift gears.

An aftermarket electric starter for the most common mx bikes would be brilliant swell, Im so envious on KTM/Husqvarna owners...
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IWreckALot 11/17/2014 4:17am
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TailSoHard wrote:
The only reason I used to use clip-ins on the MTB was because it holds your foot on the pedal in the same spot all the...
The only reason I used to use clip-ins on the MTB was because it holds your foot on the pedal in the same spot all the time. I don't notice any increase in power, and it seems to be the trend that people are moving back towards flat pedals lately. With the amount of awesome pedals (and footpegs) on the market today, you can get enough grip to hold your foot as good as a clip-in style. If it were me, I'd take a $100 pair of flat pedals over $100 clip-ins any day.

You'd be better off making moto footpegs with removable/adjustable pins... except I already have those on my bike, so never mind haha
luke99 wrote:
Your not pedalling as efficiently as you could then. You should be pulling up with one leg as the other pushes down. Helps when your tired...
Your not pedalling as efficiently as you could then. You should be pulling up with one leg as the other pushes down.
Helps when your tired too Tongue
swedishfishmx wrote:
Actually Global Cycling Network did a study and found that flat pedals can actually produce more power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNedIJBZpgM That being said I roadbike on clipless and...
Actually Global Cycling Network did a study and found that flat pedals can actually produce more power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNedIJBZpgM

That being said I roadbike on clipless and mtb on platforms.
If you're pulling up on every stroke, you have a higher liklihood of injuring your knee also depending on the angle and how much power you're putting into it.
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O___o 11/17/2014 5:29am
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not many competitive cyclists here... Gents, it's not a push/pull with clip pedals. it's a perfectly circular motion referred to as "spin".

iwreckalot.. see how the seat rails on a bike are adjustable forward and back? that is so an individual can adjust the seat so that the knee does not extend forward of ankle anywhere in the pedal stroke.

JM485, i'll take the first set.
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Four piston front brake calipers.
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could anyone answer my survey please, im designing a neck brace for my degree and need to do some research. its only 7 questions long and you only need to answer 6 of them. should only take about 90 seconds. cheers.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/RKKSXDT
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BCairns wrote:
could anyone answer my survey please, im designing a neck brace for my degree and need to do some research. its only 7 questions long and...
could anyone answer my survey please, im designing a neck brace for my degree and need to do some research. its only 7 questions long and you only need to answer 6 of them. should only take about 90 seconds. cheers.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/RKKSXDT
just did it!
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Cygnus 11/17/2014 4:24pm
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FWYT wrote:
Four piston front brake calipers.
Radial mount also.

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