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This is something to think about when complaining about the Australia and Canada rules, the teams up there aren't pulling the power out of a 250F that we see in the US or World GPs. So they aren't producing 250fs that are "trouncing" 250 2-strokes. A well jetted 2-stroke on race fuel with a good pipe combo up there, should be more than competitive against the 250Fs that are being run.
IMO the usa 250f are just amazing fast, without motor work a 250 smoker would be slower than a team 250f in America. And that's just drag race power, obviously they would smoke 2 strokes everywhere else where you can't put half the power of your smoker down compared to 250f where you would have much better traction in 90% more spots obviously.
No sand tracks, no clear "two stroke tracks"..
What do you think?
For 2014 MXA got these results:
CRF250 = 37.25HP, 250SXF = 42.89HP!!!!, KX250F = 41.14HP, RMZ = 39.23HP, YZ250F = 40.61HP. The 250F averages out to 40HP now. Granted he is right, the two stroke makes 8-10HP more.
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If I were KTM, I would make a KTM250SX "Factory Edition", with revised port timing and compression ratio, race gas only, that produces around 56hp from the dealership, and just destroy and exploit this rule, and sell an orange bike to every privateer in Oz and Canada. It would fall in line great with the suspension support and whatnot that they offer for the proverbial "little guy".
Dream on...
They are very innovative. You should really go check one out.
I can't even comprehend how you couldn't comprehend my post.
Dream on...
And there are so many ways to change how that 2 stroke runs "within" the stock class rules.
you're definitely an idiot. but, keep calm and mill .030 off the base of everything.
- 125 2-stroke class for amateurs
- 250 2-stroke and 4-stroke class with these rules
- Open class
Pit Row
I do find some humor in this sad ass thread though. Can't mod a 2 stroke but the factory teams can have $50,000.00 single race 4 stroke engines. Damn OEM's are backed into a corner with their "4 jokes are better". Whiny little bitches they are. Whiny little bitches.....
They're in the market of selling dirt bikes. Honda or Kawi isn't gonna say fuck it, we don't race anymore, and put at risk their however many million dollar dirt bike business because KTM and Yamaha or anyone that chooses is allowed to race a two stroke.
They didn't do it when Yamaha brought in 4 strokes. They just built the right machine for the rules and the market and kept going.
Yamaha has no more factory team because JGR runs it.
Suzuki will have one rider, 2 if Stewart doesn't get banned with 0 riders being on a 250 under the factory tent.
Honda will have 3 riders with 0 riders being on a 250 under the factory tent.
I don't see PC, FC, Husky or KTM going anywhere if the rules change.
That's 7 spots we would lose "IF" they did decide to leave.
It is my tin foil hat conspiracy/opinion that Feld/MXSports isn't worried about dropping 7 spots that would probably be picked up by private teams, but is more worried about not receiving sponsorship money for their magazine/outdoor series and SX series. This is just my opinion, but it's the only reason that makes sense to me to not change the rules. 7 spots wouldn't ruin the sport.
IF they made the 250 2 stroke legal in the 250 class.....what would prevent KTM from fielding a lites team....on 250 2 stroke AND 250F 4 strokes? They sell both.....and would help sell both bikes.
The ONLY people that would bitch about it....the big 4! And you damn well know it!
How about:
The fastest guys riding anything they want.
The up and comers ride smaller wheeled bikes with restricted power (intakes like NASCAR)
That's it. Everyone else is amateur.
Wait, never mind, this is Canada we are talking about, they aren't expected to be the premiere series in the world.
There was no Suzuki or Kawasaki support in the MX2 class this year or the SX2 class, there was one 250F backing from Honda, Wilson MX had Honda support in term of bikes, though I am not 100% sure of at what level, eg how much they were paying for the bike, but there was not go fast parts handed down. They do have a very good engine builder / mechanic though.
KTM had no 250F supported riders and nor did Husqvarna, though KTM had Three factory supported 250 two stroke riders (Makeham, Harrison, Harwood - NZ) and Husqvarna a few riders under Ando during the year on two strokes.
Yamaha has two Factory supported riders on 250F's and Willis was getting a little support on the two stroke.
My point being that don't be so sure that manufactures won't just walk away when push comes to shove.
And if you think it does not make a difference, just think of the number of MX2 supported rides in Australia this year, not many if any.
And also don't expect to see any two stroke factory supported rides from any manufacture in Aus in 2015, even the big makers of two strokes. Notice Arbon already back on the 250F for SX final round, 99% sure Ward is back getting used to a orange 250F.
Kiwi Lamont now over at Yamaha on a 250F.
I think the only riders you will see on 250 two strokes in Aus next year will be full privateers.
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