Need some mtn bike advice

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Giant reign owner here, love it.....I switched out the rear cluster and went up a total of 11 teeth on the back to make it climb better. Mine is the SX model, so its got oil/srping 6.7 fox suspension, so it's a tad more "decend" than "cross country", but it works pretty good everywhere now that I changed the gearing. You can find nice Reigns on Pink bike for super deals...
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hvaughn88 wrote:
Have any of you guys noticed that you prefer your mountain bikes to be set up a little different than you other MTB friends? I know...
Have any of you guys noticed that you prefer your mountain bikes to be set up a little different than you other MTB friends? I know I do and I think it has to do with coming from a moto background. I prefer to run as small a frame as I can feel comfortable on and not have too much seat post sticking out. I also prefer a really short stem (50 mm). For reference, I ride a size medium Intense Spyder and still prefer 26" wheels. I have a 29er that I really like but I don't feel like I can throw it around as much. The 29ers are awesome and definitely have their place, but I have noticed that some shorter riders (especially with shorter inseams) don't seem to be as "active" on the bike with the bigger wheels. Just my $0.02 and everyone has their own style so what works for me may not work for you.
My bike is a 26' but I'll be looking for a 27.5 next.....The 29 is great for cross country and for pedaling, but not as fun when hauling ass and getting "Rad".
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10/28/2014 10:39am
1. Think about what local trails you'll probably ride the most.
2. Find a local shop that rents bikes
3. Rent a shitload of different Styles of bikes.
4. Rinse and buy

Pinkbike is a good source

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Downhill bikes are fun too! Smile



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10/28/2014 10:50am Edited Date/Time 10/28/2014 10:51am
But pretty spendy..
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I got to demo a Kona Process 111 (29) and that thing handled beautifully! I did 80% downhill with lots of nice turns and I didn't expect a 29'r to turn so well. They run around $3-5k though!


I'm actually looking to buy a Precept next year though. The precept is a 27.5 and still has the same geometry as the Process but is under $2k.




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Are the HARO Flightlines any good?
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yosmithy wrote:
1. Think about what local trails you'll probably ride the most. 2. Find a local shop that rents bikes 3. Rent a shitload of different Styles...
1. Think about what local trails you'll probably ride the most.
2. Find a local shop that rents bikes
3. Rent a shitload of different Styles of bikes.
4. Rinse and buy

Pinkbike is a good source
This. Lots of $ to be saved buying used, IF you know what you want. For a newb, demo bikes to figure out what you like, and work with a shop to make sure the fit is correct. Be realistic about your needs and the trails you'll ride. There are lots of bikes out there with travel that is serious overkill for how the bikes are actually being used. Like a hummer at the grocery store...

Oh, and don't be surprised to see bikes that cost as much as motorcycles.
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10/28/2014 4:47pm Edited Date/Time 10/28/2014 4:47pm
hvaughn88 wrote:
Have any of you guys noticed that you prefer your mountain bikes to be set up a little different than you other MTB friends? I know...
Have any of you guys noticed that you prefer your mountain bikes to be set up a little different than you other MTB friends? I know I do and I think it has to do with coming from a moto background. I prefer to run as small a frame as I can feel comfortable on and not have too much seat post sticking out. I also prefer a really short stem (50 mm). For reference, I ride a size medium Intense Spyder and still prefer 26" wheels. I have a 29er that I really like but I don't feel like I can throw it around as much. The 29ers are awesome and definitely have their place, but I have noticed that some shorter riders (especially with shorter inseams) don't seem to be as "active" on the bike with the bigger wheels. Just my $0.02 and everyone has their own style so what works for me may not work for you.
I do run my bikes differently, mainly that my brakes are reversed to feel like Moto. I also run a Mary-bar, which is a handlebar that is shaped like an M. I never see anyone else run it but I love it. I do run a long stem and have a 29er though, I race XC and don't need to throw the bike around too much.
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I have seen some good deal lately here from Trek and at some of the local bike shops on year old models and demos.

If you are going to buy used, make sure that you educate yourself on the various component classes. The same bike with different components can be easily $1000 different in price . Also, bikepedia usually has the retail price so that you have something to gage off of. It is buyer beware. I have seen guys asking more for a used bike than you can buy it at the above Trek site new.
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Again all great info. So the 26ers are much more maneuverable at the expense of ride while the 29ers are smoother yet not as nimble, correct? The 27.5 seems to be the popular consensus pick, no? What about climbing? I do have some pretty crazy climbs at our lake that I do every summer on my piece of crap, what wheel size suits climbing the best? And gearing? I currently have 18 speeds and at my lowest gear I am barely moving up some if these climbs, I mean barely moving.
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10/28/2014 6:36pm Edited Date/Time 10/28/2014 6:38pm
I'd never seen the front brake on the left deal you guys in the USA run until I came here. So weird. Must be great the first time someone rides a motorcycle later in life haha. So yeah i run moto style (as Jonny O Mara calls them) brakes here in the USA.

I have a 29er Carbon Scott Spark. All the trails around were I live in Georgia are 95% cross country style so 100mm of travel is perfect. I have ridden a few 150mm travel 27.5 wheel demo bikes and it was just added weight to lug around. I was slower everywhere. They were fun on the couple of short jump tracks you can find at one location. I do want a second bike just for some of the very short downhill jump tracks around here.

From my experience the 27.5 wheel size corners better but the 29er rolls over everything with ease better. You make all your time on the uphills so the milli seconds you make up in corners on a 27.5 really make no difference on a XC track for outright speed. You'll get better lap times on a 29er.
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10/28/2014 6:44pm Edited Date/Time 10/28/2014 7:32pm
Oh I swear by Stans tubeless kits for your tires. My brother came over from Australia with his tubed bike a week ago. 4 flats in a week riding my trails. I've had zero in the last 12 months. We converted his bike today.. It took all of 20 minutes.

More info that might help. 11 speed is the rage now. One sprocket on the front 11 on the back. This set up only comes on the high end bikes though. I run a 10 speed. Single ring on the front. I just switched from a 32t to a 30t just to makes some mountains I go to once a month a bit easier to climb. The front derailleur is just added weight and they're clunky to use anyway. Get rid of it. Totally not needed.
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10/28/2014 7:23pm
Trek Remedy. Done deal. Make sure to get a Fox 36 fork and a dropper post and you'll be stoked. Trek has the best geometry and rear suspension set-up in my opinion.
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10/28/2014 8:42pm
Ashleymx wrote:
Oh I swear by Stans tubeless kits for your tires. My brother came over from Australia with his tubed bike a week ago. 4 flats in...
Oh I swear by Stans tubeless kits for your tires. My brother came over from Australia with his tubed bike a week ago. 4 flats in a week riding my trails. I've had zero in the last 12 months. We converted his bike today.. It took all of 20 minutes.

More info that might help. 11 speed is the rage now. One sprocket on the front 11 on the back. This set up only comes on the high end bikes though. I run a 10 speed. Single ring on the front. I just switched from a 32t to a 30t just to makes some mountains I go to once a month a bit easier to climb. The front derailleur is just added weight and they're clunky to use anyway. Get rid of it. Totally not needed.
Tubeless is the only way to go!
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Again all great info. So the 26ers are much more maneuverable at the expense of ride while the 29ers are smoother yet not as nimble, correct...
Again all great info. So the 26ers are much more maneuverable at the expense of ride while the 29ers are smoother yet not as nimble, correct? The 27.5 seems to be the popular consensus pick, no? What about climbing? I do have some pretty crazy climbs at our lake that I do every summer on my piece of crap, what wheel size suits climbing the best? And gearing? I currently have 18 speeds and at my lowest gear I am barely moving up some if these climbs, I mean barely moving.
Not necessarily smoother but carry momentum better and roll over obstacles easier. 27.5 is definitely becoming the standard size. For the longest time everything was 26, DH bikes and XC bikes. 27.5 is a good middle point as you have figured out. Maintain momentum better then a 26 but are more nimble then a 29er. I wouldn't worry about gearing too much ( it's important but if you buy the right bike, trail or XC oriented, then the gearing should work for what you want).
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10/28/2014 9:04pm
hvaughn88 wrote:
Have any of you guys noticed that you prefer your mountain bikes to be set up a little different than you other MTB friends? I know...
Have any of you guys noticed that you prefer your mountain bikes to be set up a little different than you other MTB friends? I know I do and I think it has to do with coming from a moto background. I prefer to run as small a frame as I can feel comfortable on and not have too much seat post sticking out. I also prefer a really short stem (50 mm). For reference, I ride a size medium Intense Spyder and still prefer 26" wheels. I have a 29er that I really like but I don't feel like I can throw it around as much. The 29ers are awesome and definitely have their place, but I have noticed that some shorter riders (especially with shorter inseams) don't seem to be as "active" on the bike with the bigger wheels. Just my $0.02 and everyone has their own style so what works for me may not work for you.
Yeah for sure on setup. I always run my brakes "moto style" with the front brake on the right.

But the "as small of a frame as possible" no way. I'm technically supposed to be on a medium according to most brands, but ride larges. Especially with a 50mm stem. I can't stand the feel of smaller mediums. Way too cramped. Wide 780mm bars, 50mm stem and the setup is just right.
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Again more great info. Thanks Ashley on the gearing advice and also on the 29ers. Looking hard right now! Is it easy to set up the front brake moto style? And from all that I have read tubeless is the hot set up so thanks for that confirmation.
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How comes you guys dont have the brakes setup moto style in the USA Every bike Ive owned in the UK has had the front brake on the right rear on the left strange.

Tubeless is great just carry a spare tube with you incase anything happens out on the trail (im sure you do anyway) It probably wont but its better than the alternative of walking miles with a broken bike.
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I had a Giant Trance X29er until it was stolen about 10 days ago. It was a great bike good suspension, great handling, and came with a dropper seat post. Suxs that Giant no longer makes them for 2015 as I am 6'4" with a 31 inseam the 28" standover for an XL frame was great for my Fri and Sat night agenda Wink

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10/29/2014 6:14am Edited Date/Time 10/29/2014 6:14am
KGAspeed wrote:
Yeah for sure on setup. I always run my brakes "moto style" with the front brake on the right. But the "as small of a frame...
Yeah for sure on setup. I always run my brakes "moto style" with the front brake on the right.

But the "as small of a frame as possible" no way. I'm technically supposed to be on a medium according to most brands, but ride larges. Especially with a 50mm stem. I can't stand the feel of smaller mediums. Way too cramped. Wide 780mm bars, 50mm stem and the setup is just right.
This^

Mnt bike manufactures are just starting to get the reach measurements figured out this year...unless your new bike is advertised as having a "long front center" then you should prob size up...

Long front end and short chainstays is the way to go..my newest bike has a 2" longer top tube than my old bike and the riding position is night and day better
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JonnyDH84 wrote:
How comes you guys dont have the brakes setup moto style in the USA Every bike Ive owned in the UK has had the front brake...
How comes you guys dont have the brakes setup moto style in the USA Every bike Ive owned in the UK has had the front brake on the right rear on the left strange.

Tubeless is great just carry a spare tube with you incase anything happens out on the trail (im sure you do anyway) It probably wont but its better than the alternative of walking miles with a broken bike.
I know, Us and euro's run them the opposite. I do not know how you can go from riding an MX bike to getting on a BMX / MTB with the brakes swapped!?
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bents wrote:
I'm a total newb here, so I need some advice. My wife and I are mtn bike enthusiasts but we currently have piece of crap cheap...
I'm a total newb here, so I need some advice. My wife and I are mtn bike enthusiasts but we currently have piece of crap cheap bikes and are looking to get more serious about real trail riding. I need some advice about the type of bike we should be looking for (hardtail vs full suspension), and anything else I should be considering. I would think buying used would be better, so what should I be looking out for? Would 800-1000 per bike get me started? I'm all ears. From what I have read here many of you here are pretty hard core and know your shit here. Thanks in advance. I'm 5'5" and my wife is 5'7" if that helps.
Lots of tangents so far, but I think most people are forgetting your budget.

Bikes are expensive. High-end bikes are more, or as-much-as motorcycles. It's nuts.

Yes 29s are fantastic for trail riding. They bulldoze rocks and are awesome. 27.5s are the new marketing push from the industry that has worked well to create buzz around the smaller wheel size. 29r geometry, for the most part, does not really have that "awkward and ill-handling" stigma it used to. I ride a Yeti SB95 29r in tight, technical trails all of the time and rarely feel the negatives of the bigger wheels. They're fast, roll over anything and are hugely popular for a reason.

But. Your budget is $800 to $1000. I feel like you should be looking at 26" bikes. Their value has drastically plummeted through the floor. But they're fine and will do everything you need. Right now you can buy really great 26" bikes for much less. They are not selling, and people know it.

Take advantage of that!

Here are some suggestions that quickly come to mind:

Specialized Stumpjumper
Specialized Camber 29 (if you can find a deal)
Giant Trance (5" trail bike)
Giant Reign (6" trail bike)
Trek Remedy

Honestly any of the big-name brands make good bikes. The smaller niche companies capture the core enthusiast that wants to ride a "different" brand and wants to stand behind someone that isn't a "Specialized". But they're all good. At this point, buy the best you can afford and just get into it. You'll soon figure out what you like and don't like the more you ride.

Demo'ing bikes is a good idea, but if you're fairly new, any bike you ride may feel really good. You may not be able to feel the real differences, which is why you could go with one of the very popular bikes like the Specialized Stumpjumper and run with it. I guarantee you can find a great Giant Trance 26" bike with a good component set pretty cheap right now.

Setting brakes up moto-style is easy. Loosen the fittings, swap the lines and you're done. And easier than that, if you have Avid brakes you can swap the whole lever and reservoir as they are reversible. You may have to bleed each brake after, but not necessarily (if you remove the lines).

Yes tubeless is awesome. It is the best mod I've done to any bike I've had. No flats in over 3 seasons.

Don't get too wrapped up in travel - most people think they *need* a lot, but not necessarily so. If you're going to trail ride, I personally would see more value in less weight as opposed to more travel.
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I dont know if there is a Radon retailer in the states, but there is allways international shipping... I have a Radon All Mountain and love it! It really is a great all round bike, goes uphill good and comes down as good!

http://www.radon-bikes.de/bikes/mountainbike/all-mountain/slide-275/sli…

My model is 2 years old, but the current ones seems to be even better.
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Worked at a shop for 13 years, glancing through I didn't see frame size mentioned, which is the most important aspect of a higher end bike from what you are use to.

Bikes at walmart are one size for all as far as frame size goes. The bike you are looking to purchase is the specialty of your local bike shop, which can have fitting tools to get you dialed in on your new bike, each individual machine wether its a 26-29er will have its own fitting specifics, meaning Scotts 19" frame will be different from Treks 19" frame. The fitting and maintenance really can make your experience more enjoyable when buying new from your local shop. Many shops can fit your upper torso with different stem lengths at no extra charge.

Used bikes are great when you know what to look for, but at a glancing look and not being able to actually put your eyes and hands on all the wear items, its a gamble like anything else. Finding your perfect used bike online only to find out the cog set is mushroomed, chain its stretched, cable housing are cracked etc can really let the air out
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bents wrote:
I'm a total newb here, so I need some advice. My wife and I are mtn bike enthusiasts but we currently have piece of crap cheap...
I'm a total newb here, so I need some advice. My wife and I are mtn bike enthusiasts but we currently have piece of crap cheap bikes and are looking to get more serious about real trail riding. I need some advice about the type of bike we should be looking for (hardtail vs full suspension), and anything else I should be considering. I would think buying used would be better, so what should I be looking out for? Would 800-1000 per bike get me started? I'm all ears. From what I have read here many of you here are pretty hard core and know your shit here. Thanks in advance. I'm 5'5" and my wife is 5'7" if that helps.
KGAspeed wrote:
Lots of tangents so far, but I think most people are forgetting your budget. Bikes are expensive. High-end bikes are more, or as-much-as motorcycles. It's nuts...
Lots of tangents so far, but I think most people are forgetting your budget.

Bikes are expensive. High-end bikes are more, or as-much-as motorcycles. It's nuts.

Yes 29s are fantastic for trail riding. They bulldoze rocks and are awesome. 27.5s are the new marketing push from the industry that has worked well to create buzz around the smaller wheel size. 29r geometry, for the most part, does not really have that "awkward and ill-handling" stigma it used to. I ride a Yeti SB95 29r in tight, technical trails all of the time and rarely feel the negatives of the bigger wheels. They're fast, roll over anything and are hugely popular for a reason.

But. Your budget is $800 to $1000. I feel like you should be looking at 26" bikes. Their value has drastically plummeted through the floor. But they're fine and will do everything you need. Right now you can buy really great 26" bikes for much less. They are not selling, and people know it.

Take advantage of that!

Here are some suggestions that quickly come to mind:

Specialized Stumpjumper
Specialized Camber 29 (if you can find a deal)
Giant Trance (5" trail bike)
Giant Reign (6" trail bike)
Trek Remedy

Honestly any of the big-name brands make good bikes. The smaller niche companies capture the core enthusiast that wants to ride a "different" brand and wants to stand behind someone that isn't a "Specialized". But they're all good. At this point, buy the best you can afford and just get into it. You'll soon figure out what you like and don't like the more you ride.

Demo'ing bikes is a good idea, but if you're fairly new, any bike you ride may feel really good. You may not be able to feel the real differences, which is why you could go with one of the very popular bikes like the Specialized Stumpjumper and run with it. I guarantee you can find a great Giant Trance 26" bike with a good component set pretty cheap right now.

Setting brakes up moto-style is easy. Loosen the fittings, swap the lines and you're done. And easier than that, if you have Avid brakes you can swap the whole lever and reservoir as they are reversible. You may have to bleed each brake after, but not necessarily (if you remove the lines).

Yes tubeless is awesome. It is the best mod I've done to any bike I've had. No flats in over 3 seasons.

Don't get too wrapped up in travel - most people think they *need* a lot, but not necessarily so. If you're going to trail ride, I personally would see more value in less weight as opposed to more travel.
This is a pretty accurate post. Listen to him. Similar to moto, there's no time like seat time and you will quickly learn what you like and don't like. And a lot of that will depend on your particular riding style.
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10/29/2014 9:26am Edited Date/Time 10/29/2014 9:28am
All I have is my own experience to share Bro..

I came off an old Cannondale 26" and bought this leftover Cannondale Scalpel 29er this past spring. I love it! I usually ride some tight single track near my house with
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Camp332 wrote:
All I have is my own experience to share Bro.. I came off an old Cannondale 26" and bought this leftover Cannondale Scalpel 29er this past...
All I have is my own experience to share Bro..

I came off an old Cannondale 26" and bought this leftover Cannondale Scalpel 29er this past spring. I love it! I usually ride some tight single track near my house with
I bought a cannondale back when the lefty first came out and absolutely loved it. The only negative at the time was no rack systems were readily made for them, so that was a pain in the ass, but they have that ironed out now.
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Not sure what happened to the rest of my post? GuyB must have me on 140 characters or less.

Anyway, this is what I bought leftover. 2013 Scalpel 29er. She's been good to me so far. I didn't crash coming down some steep/rain-rutted/rocky downhills that were fast, and way too long for my liking(downhill dudes are nuts)...



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