Js7 for the mil

dkg wrote:

Personally, I'd like to see whatever penalty that is handed out be done so [b]WITHOUT[/b] taking into consideration the riders relative position in the sport. Penalties...

Personally, I'd like to see whatever penalty that is handed out be done so WITHOUT taking into consideration the riders relative position in the sport. Penalties should be even handed across the board with Rider A getting the same penalty as Rider B if the infraction is the same.

As for Stewart, personal opinion is that if this boils down to a situation where someone simply got the paper work screwed up, then the penalty should be very limited. Even assuming the worse scenario, Aderral should not be penalized to the same extent as other clearly PED.

The biggest questions I have is why it took so long to 1) get the results and 2) to get through the appeal process. At the rate it seems to be going, Riders can dope all they want at the end of their career and be long retired before anything is decided.

huck wrote:

Other sports classify it the same as other PEDs...

This is a press release that is handled with class, and admitting making a mistake.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11512445/baltimore-orioles-first-base…

Dart Board wrote:

The NFL players association just took it off their banned substance list. Wes Welker, who basically tested positive for amphetamines by poppin mollies, got his suspension...

The NFL players association just took it off their banned substance list. Wes Welker, who basically tested positive for amphetamines by poppin mollies, got his suspension totally erased when the adjustment to the rules were made.

IMO, it would be a travesty if prescribed adderrall was the demise of James Stewart.

huck wrote:

Other sports classify it the same as other PEDs...

This is a press release that is handled with class, and admitting making a mistake.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11512445/baltimore-orioles-first-base…

Dart Board wrote:

The NFL players association just took it off their banned substance list. Wes Welker, who basically tested positive for amphetamines by poppin mollies, got his suspension...

The NFL players association just took it off their banned substance list. Wes Welker, who basically tested positive for amphetamines by poppin mollies, got his suspension totally erased when the adjustment to the rules were made.

IMO, it would be a travesty if prescribed adderrall was the demise of James Stewart.

jasen.bougher wrote:

Who proved it was prescribed?

pilotdude wrote:

If it is true that 1) all this stems from a medically prescribed drug (Adderall) 2) for a long-time condition, and 3) that a TUE would...

If it is true that 1) all this stems from a medically prescribed drug (Adderall) 2) for a long-time condition, and 3) that a TUE would have been approved and avoided all this, then to me the the question should be: Why wasn't a TUE pursued by the Stewart camp?

If the answer is that is was due to ignorance of the TUE process, or a similar answer, then he should be given a strict warning, and put on probation for his team's failure to follow the proper procedure. He should still be allowed to race however, and clear the cloud that all of this has caused as quickly as possible.

If the items above were NOT in fact true, and it can be proven that this was an intentional effort at cheating through the use of PEDs, then he should receive the proper suspension, regardless of the consequences it has on his career.

Lacking that scenario, it seems to me that neither the sport, the fans, the promoters, the sponsors, nor the athlete himself are well served by any undue delays in moving forward past this incident.

mxb2 wrote:

oh, you got me. lmfao, i guess your all for no speed limits either, ya know because everybody does it.

O___o wrote:

adderall was prescribed. a piece of paperwork was not submitted. so you are saying, that he gained some sort of advantage on his competition by not...

adderall was prescribed. a piece of paperwork was not submitted. so you are saying, that he gained some sort of advantage on his competition by not submitting a piece of paper?

and then you've got huck insinuating that he took more than prescribed?

mxb2 wrote:

I dont know, neither do you, he got suspended. for either a substance, or failure to process paperwork, whateve he did , it was against the...

I dont know, neither do you, he got suspended. for either a substance, or failure to process paperwork, whateve he did , it was against the rules. The thing is careless with all the $$ involved, bottom line, stewart is responsible for knowing the rulebook, not his 20 man friends, or they would be fired by now.

pilotdude wrote:

If it is true that 1) all this stems from a medically prescribed drug (Adderall) 2) for a long-time condition, and 3) that a TUE would...

If it is true that 1) all this stems from a medically prescribed drug (Adderall) 2) for a long-time condition, and 3) that a TUE would have been approved and avoided all this, then to me the the question should be: Why wasn't a TUE pursued by the Stewart camp?

If the answer is that is was due to ignorance of the TUE process, or a similar answer, then he should be given a strict warning, and put on probation for his team's failure to follow the proper procedure. He should still be allowed to race however, and clear the cloud that all of this has caused as quickly as possible.

If the items above were NOT in fact true, and it can be proven that this was an intentional effort at cheating through the use of PEDs, then he should receive the proper suspension, regardless of the consequences it has on his career.

Lacking that scenario, it seems to me that neither the sport, the fans, the promoters, the sponsors, nor the athlete himself are well served by any undue delays in moving forward past this incident.

dkg wrote:

I think this is the right approach.

O___o wrote:

adderall was prescribed. a piece of paperwork was not submitted. so you are saying, that he gained some sort of advantage on his competition by not...

adderall was prescribed. a piece of paperwork was not submitted. so you are saying, that he gained some sort of advantage on his competition by not submitting a piece of paper?

and then you've got huck insinuating that he took more than prescribed?

mxb2 wrote:

I dont know, neither do you, he got suspended. for either a substance, or failure to process paperwork, whateve he did , it was against the...

I dont know, neither do you, he got suspended. for either a substance, or failure to process paperwork, whateve he did , it was against the rules. The thing is careless with all the $$ involved, bottom line, stewart is responsible for knowing the rulebook, not his 20 man friends, or they would be fired by now.

machine wrote:

Yep, most of these guys are letting their fan emotions out weigh racing by the rules, that's not good for the sport as a whole. The...

Yep, most of these guys are letting their fan emotions out weigh racing by the rules, that's not good for the sport as a whole. The sport is bigger than ANY single rider, there are plenty of other up and coming riders to carry the torch.

mxb2 wrote:

I dont know, neither do you, he got suspended. for either a substance, or failure to process paperwork, whateve he did , it was against the...

I dont know, neither do you, he got suspended. for either a substance, or failure to process paperwork, whateve he did , it was against the rules. The thing is careless with all the $$ involved, bottom line, stewart is responsible for knowing the rulebook, not his 20 man friends, or they would be fired by now.

machine wrote:

Yep, most of these guys are letting their fan emotions out weigh racing by the rules, that's not good for the sport as a whole. The...

Yep, most of these guys are letting their fan emotions out weigh racing by the rules, that's not good for the sport as a whole. The sport is bigger than ANY single rider, there are plenty of other up and coming riders to carry the torch.

jeffro503 wrote:

That's true to a point ( where no single rider is more important than the sport ) but it would be a shame to see a...

That's true to a point ( where no single rider is more important than the sport ) but it would be a shame to see a top rider go out like this , and over something as dismal as a piece of paperwork. I mean .."IF" that is what is really going on , then not only James would get stiffed from possibly his last season....we as fans wouldn't have him out there racing. Even if some of us don't have James listed as our favorite rider.......nobody should ever hope to see a guy out like that. Weather he's a fan favorite or not......any of these top guys deserve to go out on their shield. Not held on the sidelines over something like this.

Over the past few years.....I myself have been hard on James ( mostly out of frustration ) But I'll be damned if I see someone get kicked out of this sport over something so damn small and stupid. We all lose out if he gets sidelined.

jeffro503 wrote:

That's true to a point ( where no single rider is more important than the sport ) but it would be a shame to see a...

That's true to a point ( where no single rider is more important than the sport ) but it would be a shame to see a top rider go out like this , and over something as dismal as a piece of paperwork. I mean .."IF" that is what is really going on , then not only James would get stiffed from possibly his last season....we as fans wouldn't have him out there racing. Even if some of us don't have James listed as our favorite rider.......nobody should ever hope to see a guy out like that. Weather he's a fan favorite or not......any of these top guys deserve to go out on their shield. Not held on the sidelines over something like this.

Over the past few years.....I myself have been hard on James ( mostly out of frustration ) But I'll be damned if I see someone get kicked out of this sport over something so damn small and stupid. We all lose out if he gets sidelined.

jeffro503 wrote:

That's true to a point ( where no single rider is more important than the sport ) but it would be a shame to see a...

That's true to a point ( where no single rider is more important than the sport ) but it would be a shame to see a top rider go out like this , and over something as dismal as a piece of paperwork. I mean .."IF" that is what is really going on , then not only James would get stiffed from possibly his last season....we as fans wouldn't have him out there racing. Even if some of us don't have James listed as our favorite rider.......nobody should ever hope to see a guy out like that. Weather he's a fan favorite or not......any of these top guys deserve to go out on their shield. Not held on the sidelines over something like this.

Over the past few years.....I myself have been hard on James ( mostly out of frustration ) But I'll be damned if I see someone get kicked out of this sport over something so damn small and stupid. We all lose out if he gets sidelined.

machine wrote:

I'm pretty sure if it was just about a piece of paper, this would have been wrapped up a long time ago, think about it. And...

I'm pretty sure if it was just about a piece of paper, this would have been wrapped up a long time ago, think about it. And also, lets not forget Adderall is speed. We can all disagree on whether or not it enhanced his performance, but it's a banned substance. If it is found that he cheated, he's gonna have to deal with the consequences, even if it tarnishes his career.

huck wrote:

I have an extremely hard time believing it is for a 'prescribed adderall'......

GuyB wrote:

Guess what...believe it.

PClaerhout wrote:

Since you've been blasting everyone's opinions on this thread, I must ask you....how about some proof? Or is this an assumption too?

Whip wrote:

F this. I'm not going to watch the Monster Cup if James isn't in it.

PClaerhout wrote:

Since you've been blasting everyone's opinions on this thread, I must ask you....how about some proof? Or is this an assumption too?

GuyB wrote:

What would be sufficient proof for you? It's what I was told from multiple sources that I trust. I've been dealing with some of the "personalities"...

What would be sufficient proof for you?

It's what I was told from multiple sources that I trust.

I've been dealing with some of the "personalities" here for better than ten years. In some cases I know they're fishing (which can be another name for dropping misinformation to see who takes the bait). Sometimes when I blast a comment like that, it's because I know they're muddying the waters by posting junk.

PClaerhout wrote:

Well I don't post too often....but if the owner of the site comes on to blast every differing opinion...doesn't make it too enticing to post. This...

Well I don't post too often....but if the owner of the site comes on to blast every differing opinion...doesn't make it too enticing to post. This is the biggest ordeal we've had in years. ..don't sling back mud with them...Some ppl like me can't tell who's who...

PClaerhout wrote:

Well I don't post too often....but if the owner of the site comes on to blast every differing opinion...doesn't make it too enticing to post. This...

Well I don't post too often....but if the owner of the site comes on to blast every differing opinion...doesn't make it too enticing to post. This is the biggest ordeal we've had in years. ..don't sling back mud with them...Some ppl like me can't tell who's who...

madmaxperformance wrote:

Well, this sucks. I am headed to the MEC... and was really looking forward to seeing James ride again. It's incredible to see in real life...

Well, this sucks. I am headed to the MEC... and was really looking forward to seeing James ride again. It's incredible to see in real life.

Poto too... oh well, going to be an awesome time anyways!

PClaerhout wrote:

The guy said "I doubt it's because of prescription adderall"...which is also my opinion. Why else would it of taken this long??? I don't know the...

The guy said "I doubt it's because of prescription adderall"...which is also my opinion. Why else would it of taken this long??? I don't know the guy that posted history...but if the industry let's it get this far it's the industries fault. I can't keep up with who you have beef with...With all due respect I love the site but I can't be the only one who refrains from posting so as not to rub you the wrong way.