Is this the #1 cause of global warming?

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you see kids, you don't need high grades to make money.
D grade in science ,al gore = 4.7 billion dollars....off a paper that was not factual.
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When they get enough people behind the idea of global warming all it means is that they will be able to pass some huge billion or...
When they get enough people behind the idea of global warming all it means is that they will be able to pass some huge billion or trillion dollar bill that they will make someone rich and won't accomplish anything because there is no way that anyone can explain the changes in weather that happen day to day.

I don't want to change the subject but they just did that with antibiotic resistance. He passed a $900 million dollar bill to try to solve antibiotic resistance but anyone who has taken any intro to microbiology class can see the problem with antibiotic resistance. It doesn't take $900 million dollars to figure out that antibiotics have to keep getting stronger because the infections become resistant when you take antibiotics for everything. I could have told him that and I only would have charged him $1 million

Obama's solution for antibiotic resistance
listen..
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This weekend got me thinking and I googled it and I am apparently not the only one that thinks this whether some bloke or a scientist...
This weekend got me thinking and I googled it and I am apparently not the only one that thinks this whether some bloke or a scientist.

I was at the county fair and it was 76 degrees outside. The fair was on a long strip of asphalt. I was sweating fucking balls and miserable. It felt like it was 120 degrees and it was miserable.

Now think of all the roads and asphalt in this world. We all know that the temperature is much hotter when you are on asphalt.

It seems that the rise of temperatures has increased with the rise of roads being built. I bet if somebody graphed it that the incline would be almost exact.

So sure coal plants and other environmental factors contribute but the fact there is so much fucking asphalt every where surely has to be a pretty big cause to being so fucking hot all the damn time and temperatures increasing. Just makes sense right?
Global warming is happening...man made? I'm not convinced.

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9/23/2014 6:20pm
Global warming, Whats that?...oh your talking about the natural cycles of heating and cooling the earth has been going thru since creation...
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99% of the scientific community believes in it so I think I will take there word for it rather than yours.
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Not so fast there buddy. Whether it's 99% or 70% or some other number of "all scientists", it was a small smapling of a select group...
Not so fast there buddy. Whether it's 99% or 70% or some other number of "all scientists", it was a small smapling of a select group.

Regardless if it's global warming, climate change or the new climate disruption, the problem is, is the whole thing has been politicised to where no one knows what the truth is anymore, they just agree or disagree depending on "who" delivers the message and not what the message actually is. This is true of all subjects, from religion, to the military, to welfare, etc, et-freaken-cetera. No one knows what they truly believe anymore.
Not really, i comment on the basis of commen sense, comon decency, and
moral conviction..
I know exactly what to believe regarding religion, politics and and plain ol everyday life.

Seems i'm in the minority on most of it though...oh well, i believe the way i believe and everything in my being tells me im right on most of it.

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9/23/2014 6:29pm Edited Date/Time 9/23/2014 6:30pm
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I think it's a combination of many things. Natural and UN-natural. That being said.....in my 46yrs on this planet I can't ever remember a longer...
I think it's a combination of many things. Natural and UN-natural.

That being said.....in my 46yrs on this planet I can't ever remember a longer , more dry summer than what we just went through here in Oregon. It's almost as if the seasons have not only gotten hotter and dryer.....but they moved back.

What I mean is , I always remember Sept-Oct-Nov as it cooling down with a lot of rain. Last few years.....that hasn't been the case......but when the rain comes....it tends to stick around until late may , June and even July at times.

Whatever the case.....this is the strangest weather I have ever seen or can remember up here in the NW. Something is going on.....and that can be debated back and forth. Strange none the less.
Not sure the exact verse, but you can be assured its in there..
The bible says nearing the end of days, you will not br able to tell the seasons apart but by the blooming of the trees. Or something to that affect.

Interesting huh..
9/23/2014 7:44pm Edited Date/Time 9/23/2014 7:46pm
No. 1 cause of global warming is the earth's tilt on it's axis. I like to call it "Global wobbling".
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I think it's a combination of many things. Natural and UN-natural. That being said.....in my 46yrs on this planet I can't ever remember a longer...
I think it's a combination of many things. Natural and UN-natural.

That being said.....in my 46yrs on this planet I can't ever remember a longer , more dry summer than what we just went through here in Oregon. It's almost as if the seasons have not only gotten hotter and dryer.....but they moved back.

What I mean is , I always remember Sept-Oct-Nov as it cooling down with a lot of rain. Last few years.....that hasn't been the case......but when the rain comes....it tends to stick around until late may , June and even July at times.

Whatever the case.....this is the strangest weather I have ever seen or can remember up here in the NW. Something is going on.....and that can be debated back and forth. Strange none the less.
Not sure the exact verse, but you can be assured its in there.. The bible says nearing the end of days, you will not br able...
Not sure the exact verse, but you can be assured its in there..
The bible says nearing the end of days, you will not br able to tell the seasons apart but by the blooming of the trees. Or something to that affect.

Interesting huh..
I'm not a religious person , nor do I believe in the bible. It also said that Adam and Eve pretty much walked with the T-rex.....6000 years ago. That...and about 10,000 other things in that book , make it irrelevant to me.

I tend to lean towards the Spinoza theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_Baruch_Spinoza

But......this discussion has nothing to do with religion. So i'll leave that debate for some other time.
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No. 1 cause of global warming is the earth's tilt on it's axis. I like to call it "Global wobbling".
WTF did we do to cause that?

And how can I get a grant to study it so we don't all die?
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I'm not a religious person , nor do I believe in the bible. It also said that Adam and Eve pretty much walked with the T-rex.....6000...
I'm not a religious person , nor do I believe in the bible. It also said that Adam and Eve pretty much walked with the T-rex.....6000 years ago. That...and about 10,000 other things in that book , make it irrelevant to me.

I tend to lean towards the Spinoza theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_Baruch_Spinoza

But......this discussion has nothing to do with religion. So i'll leave that debate for some other time.
But......this discussion has nothing to do with religion.

I think that the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change hoax is entirely about creating a secular religion for many folks.
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I think trees cause global warming.
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Firstly, I believe that the whole "global warming" is a money grab. The "science" is not settled on the matter and the prominent scientist who's studies contradict the political correctness gets shelved and the community goes about trying to discredit them. The political left even went so far as to try and take away certifications of those in the scientific community if they disagreed with the "global warming" theory. The government predominantly only funds things that will point to 'global warming" and anyone with a shred of knowledge knows you can make the numbers say whatever you want.
So I have a question for all of you. Lets say the climate is changing for the premise of the question. What is the optimum average temperature for the earth? Because we are used to something, does that make it better than something different? What if different is better? OK back to the question, "What is the optimum average temp for the earth?"
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9/24/2014 10:14am Edited Date/Time 9/24/2014 10:15am
There is no doubt that we go through ebbs and flows of weather. That is not really the discussion. There are natural climate changes that the earth will go through.

My point is that we are not really in the field studying and are educated enough to know the methods and understand the data they collect to point to global warming or climate change that is caused by man. The scientists that study this stuff are way beyond our comprehension and field of education so that's why I trust them.

They know that there are natural weather patterns but they also know that man has contributed to global warming or climate change and I am curious to how much of it is really caused by all the ashphalt and concrete if any since it is part of the industrial revolution we are a part of. Look at new york city. It's one giant island of concrete.

To get a better perspective look out the window in an airplane over a large city and look at the clouds and the sky. It doesn't look that great. Man made buildings, coal, pollution, concrete, etc just float right up into the atmosphere.
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Destruction of Amazon Rainforest Visible From Space

September 23, 2014 | by Lisa Winter

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The Amazon rainforest stretches over 5.5 million square kilometers, 60% of which is in Brazil. It is home to millions of species that make up 10% of all of Earth’s biodiversity, including 40,000 different plant species, 3,000 freshwater fish species, and over 370 reptile species. There are nearly 400 billion trees across 16,000 species in the rainforest, but sadly, Brazil has a deforestation problem so large, it can be seen from space.

In August, NASA released a picture of the Amazon rainforest burning as seen from the ISS. Not only does this decimate the habitat of millions of species in the region, but it is also aggravating climate change.

Over the last 40 years, 20% of the rainforest has been cleared for timber and to make room for farm land. While those seeking timber need to cut the trees down manually, farmers who seek to expand their crop fields will often just burn the trees down. Deforestation is always a problem because it removes trees capable of taking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere. Though the Amazon takes up only 5% of the planet’s land area, it takes up and stores 10% of atmospheric carbon. When trees die or are cleared, it releases that carbon.

It has been estimated that deforestation represents 15% of all CO2 emissions in the world, which is more than all automobiles combined. If deforestation is permitted to continue unchecked, it will severely exacerbate the levels of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere, bolstering the effects of climate change. Over the next several years, deforestation could pump 200 billion tons of carbon into the atmosphere.

Today (September 23) the UN Climate Summit is meeting in New York, and deforestation is on the table. Brazil has not endorsed the document, however, as they have stated that they were not consulted with when the anti-deforestation initiative was drafted. Brazilian law does permit legal deforestation for private land owners and to meet basic public needs, but Brazilian Environment Minister Izabella Teixeira told The Associated Press that her country seeks to focus on ending deforestation that is done illegally.

Though deforestation has been declining in recent years, 2013 saw a 28% increase compared to 2012. It is hard to determine how much of that has been done illegally, as a key tactic among those committing environmental crime is to forge the documents and permits.

Toward the end of August, Brazilian officials announced the arrest of eight key members of a group responsible for the majority of illegal logging in the Amazon, and another six were still at large. Since the arrests, the rate of deforestation in the area has fallen from 13.1 square miles per week to zero in the first week of September. This was welcomed news, given that Brazil has previously been plagued with controversy involving corruption where the environment is involved.

In an effort to stop deforestation elsewhere in the world, Norway announced they will pay Liberia US$150 million to stop cutting down trees. BBC reports that the Ebola outbreak may increase in illegal logging in Liberia as many are desperate and strapped for cash. A portion of the money from Norway will be used for surveillance crews and equipment, with communities getting paid to protect the forest.
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Looks like deforestation is a big reason for climate change-so yes man made.

Governments, multinational companies and campaigners are pledging to halt the loss of the world’s natural forests by 2030.

A declaration announced as part of a UN summit on climate change being held in New York also pledges to halve the rate of deforestation by the end of this decade and to restore hundreds of millions of acres of degraded land.

Backers of the New York declaration on forests claim their efforts could save between 4.5bn and 8.8bn tonnes of carbon emissions per year by 2030 – the equivalent of taking all the world’s cars off the road.

The UK, Germany and Norway have pledged to enter into up to 20 programmes over the next couple of years to pay countries for reducing their deforestation, which could be worth more than £700m.

Companies such as Kellogg’s, Marks & Spencer, Barclays, Nestle, the palm oil giant Cargill, Asia Pulp and Paper and charities including the RSPB, WWF and the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) have signed the declaration.

The declaration’s supporters say ending the loss of the world’s natural forests will be an important part of limiting global temperature rises to 2C, beyond which the worst impacts of climate change are expected to be felt.

It comes after analysis suggests that land use change such as deforestation accounts for around 8% of the world’s carbon emissions, with carbon dioxide released when trees are felled and burned to free up land for agriculture or development.

“Forests represent one of the largest, most cost-effective climate solutions available today,” the declaration says.
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There is no doubt that we go through ebbs and flows of weather. That is not really the discussion. There are natural climate changes that the...
There is no doubt that we go through ebbs and flows of weather. That is not really the discussion. There are natural climate changes that the earth will go through.

My point is that we are not really in the field studying and are educated enough to know the methods and understand the data they collect to point to global warming or climate change that is caused by man. The scientists that study this stuff are way beyond our comprehension and field of education so that's why I trust them.

They know that there are natural weather patterns but they also know that man has contributed to global warming or climate change and I am curious to how much of it is really caused by all the ashphalt and concrete if any since it is part of the industrial revolution we are a part of. Look at new york city. It's one giant island of concrete.

To get a better perspective look out the window in an airplane over a large city and look at the clouds and the sky. It doesn't look that great. Man made buildings, coal, pollution, concrete, etc just float right up into the atmosphere.
I worked with climate scientists in the Air Weather Service for 5 years writing applications that chugged through historical weather data that spit out a lot of the charts and graphs for many related studies. I actually do know a little about the stuff. Smile
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9/24/2014 6:45pm Edited Date/Time 9/24/2014 6:49pm
This video is exactly why I leave it to the experts. I have no idea half of what they are saying.


https://youtu.be/OWXoRSIxyIU
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I think it's a combination of many things. Natural and UN-natural. That being said.....in my 46yrs on this planet I can't ever remember a longer...
I think it's a combination of many things. Natural and UN-natural.

That being said.....in my 46yrs on this planet I can't ever remember a longer , more dry summer than what we just went through here in Oregon. It's almost as if the seasons have not only gotten hotter and dryer.....but they moved back.

What I mean is , I always remember Sept-Oct-Nov as it cooling down with a lot of rain. Last few years.....that hasn't been the case......but when the rain comes....it tends to stick around until late may , June and even July at times.

Whatever the case.....this is the strangest weather I have ever seen or can remember up here in the NW. Something is going on.....and that can be debated back and forth. Strange none the less.
Not sure the exact verse, but you can be assured its in there.. The bible says nearing the end of days, you will not br able...
Not sure the exact verse, but you can be assured its in there..
The bible says nearing the end of days, you will not br able to tell the seasons apart but by the blooming of the trees. Or something to that affect.

Interesting huh..
jeffro503 wrote:
I'm not a religious person , nor do I believe in the bible. It also said that Adam and Eve pretty much walked with the T-rex.....6000...
I'm not a religious person , nor do I believe in the bible. It also said that Adam and Eve pretty much walked with the T-rex.....6000 years ago. That...and about 10,000 other things in that book , make it irrelevant to me.

I tend to lean towards the Spinoza theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_Baruch_Spinoza

But......this discussion has nothing to do with religion. So i'll leave that debate for some other time.
Walked with the T Rex you say, Whistling
Funny, Cuz every single thing I've read in it is absolutely 100% true. But that's your view and I will respect it. But maybe if you opened your heart and get out of your own way, you'd feel different.
Good luck to you. What this has to do with global warming, I have no idea haha..
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This video is exactly why I leave it to the experts. I have no idea half of what they are saying. https://youtu.be/OWXoRSIxyIU
This video is exactly why I leave it to the experts. I have no idea half of what they are saying.


https://youtu.be/OWXoRSIxyIU
Well I'll be, some random YouTube dude has it all figured out.
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9/24/2014 8:19pm Edited Date/Time 9/24/2014 8:22pm
Global warming, Whats that?...oh your talking about the natural cycles of heating and cooling the earth has been going thru since creation...
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99% of the scientific community believes in it so I think I will take there word for it rather than yours.
Really?

Or did you mean, "99% of the Science Communtiy that relies on funding to support the conforming opinion believes it."

Ever work within the "scientific community" on the Grant/Gov't Funded level?

I have; but, what the hell...I'll play along...

There are many changing and cyclical issues involved with this latest intellectual excercise: From Solar Activity to Magnetic Field Shift to Ubber-Urbanization...but...why bother with the facts, right? After all, we're arguing "science".

Most-Interstingly...Big City Protestors are All About This...and...they're amongst the greatest "Cause and Effect" of their own beliefs.
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Not sure the exact verse, but you can be assured its in there.. The bible says nearing the end of days, you will not br able...
Not sure the exact verse, but you can be assured its in there..
The bible says nearing the end of days, you will not br able to tell the seasons apart but by the blooming of the trees. Or something to that affect.

Interesting huh..
jeffro503 wrote:
I'm not a religious person , nor do I believe in the bible. It also said that Adam and Eve pretty much walked with the T-rex.....6000...
I'm not a religious person , nor do I believe in the bible. It also said that Adam and Eve pretty much walked with the T-rex.....6000 years ago. That...and about 10,000 other things in that book , make it irrelevant to me.

I tend to lean towards the Spinoza theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_Baruch_Spinoza

But......this discussion has nothing to do with religion. So i'll leave that debate for some other time.
Walked with the T Rex you say, :whistle: Funny, Cuz every single thing I've read in it is absolutely 100% true. But that's your view and...
Walked with the T Rex you say, Whistling
Funny, Cuz every single thing I've read in it is absolutely 100% true. But that's your view and I will respect it. But maybe if you opened your heart and get out of your own way, you'd feel different.
Good luck to you. What this has to do with global warming, I have no idea haha..
Are going to seriously come in here and try to tell me that the earth is 6000yrs old.....and that the T-rex walked around the same time Adam and Eve did? Please tell me you are kidding.
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9/24/2014 8:34pm Edited Date/Time 9/24/2014 8:35pm
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This video is exactly why I leave it to the experts. I have no idea half of what they are saying. https://youtu.be/OWXoRSIxyIU
This video is exactly why I leave it to the experts. I have no idea half of what they are saying.


https://youtu.be/OWXoRSIxyIU
Well I'll be, some random YouTube dude has it all figured out.
Did you even watch it? My guess is no but you should since it's much more educational than any of us are spitting out on the subject so you could actually learn a thing or two from watching it.
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This video is exactly why I leave it to the experts. I have no idea half of what they are saying. https://youtu.be/OWXoRSIxyIU
This video is exactly why I leave it to the experts. I have no idea half of what they are saying.


https://youtu.be/OWXoRSIxyIU
Well I'll be, some random YouTube dude has it all figured out.
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Did you even watch it? My guess is no but you should since it's much more educational than any of us are spitting out on the...
Did you even watch it? My guess is no but you should since it's much more educational than any of us are spitting out on the subject so you could actually learn a thing or two from watching it.
Of course I watched it. But, who is this guy and why should I believe/trust him? He does have a nice YouTube shirt and a beard. Did you watch the previous video with John Coleman? Someone who's spent 4 lifespans of the YouTube guy working in the weather field? He seems pretty convincing as well. But why should I believe/trust what he has to say? They seem to have conflicting views. But, why should I believe what either of them tell me? I'm just curious.

Weather and climate are extremely complex things. I am not a climate scientist but I actually have worked with a lot of climate scientists in a previous job (yes, I get around). I'm just not convinced that we are effecting the climate in such a way that the doomsday scenario that Al Gore wants you to believe, and is profiting heavily from, is on the horizon. I have looked at a lot of the data. I have seen how various data has been interpreted to argue both sides. One thing is for sure, a lot of people are profiting off of the subject.

You started out with the line "This video is exactly why I leave it to the experts. I have no idea half of what they are saying." Like I was trying to get at in that other thread. Don't let other people think for you. Do your own research, learn, understand, try to become one of the experts. Think for yourself. At least try to bring yourself to a point where you actually can understand what they are talking about.
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Not sure the exact verse, but you can be assured its in there.. The bible says nearing the end of days, you will not br able...
Not sure the exact verse, but you can be assured its in there..
The bible says nearing the end of days, you will not br able to tell the seasons apart but by the blooming of the trees. Or something to that affect.

Interesting huh..
jeffro503 wrote:
I'm not a religious person , nor do I believe in the bible. It also said that Adam and Eve pretty much walked with the T-rex.....6000...
I'm not a religious person , nor do I believe in the bible. It also said that Adam and Eve pretty much walked with the T-rex.....6000 years ago. That...and about 10,000 other things in that book , make it irrelevant to me.

I tend to lean towards the Spinoza theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_Baruch_Spinoza

But......this discussion has nothing to do with religion. So i'll leave that debate for some other time.
Walked with the T Rex you say, :whistle: Funny, Cuz every single thing I've read in it is absolutely 100% true. But that's your view and...
Walked with the T Rex you say, Whistling
Funny, Cuz every single thing I've read in it is absolutely 100% true. But that's your view and I will respect it. But maybe if you opened your heart and get out of your own way, you'd feel different.
Good luck to you. What this has to do with global warming, I have no idea haha..
This deserves its own thread.
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jeffro503 wrote:
I'm not a religious person , nor do I believe in the bible. It also said that Adam and Eve pretty much walked with the T-rex.....6000...
I'm not a religious person , nor do I believe in the bible. It also said that Adam and Eve pretty much walked with the T-rex.....6000 years ago. That...and about 10,000 other things in that book , make it irrelevant to me.

I tend to lean towards the Spinoza theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_Baruch_Spinoza

But......this discussion has nothing to do with religion. So i'll leave that debate for some other time.
Walked with the T Rex you say, :whistle: Funny, Cuz every single thing I've read in it is absolutely 100% true. But that's your view and...
Walked with the T Rex you say, Whistling
Funny, Cuz every single thing I've read in it is absolutely 100% true. But that's your view and I will respect it. But maybe if you opened your heart and get out of your own way, you'd feel different.
Good luck to you. What this has to do with global warming, I have no idea haha..
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This deserves its own thread.
Yes it does. And if it gets one I've a couple of questions for the "Deltadestroyer"..............
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I don't think this delta guy has any clue as to what math and carbon dating are. Sad that in this day and age some people still think like that and completely throw all reality right out the freaking window.
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Well I'll be, some random YouTube dude has it all figured out.
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Did you even watch it? My guess is no but you should since it's much more educational than any of us are spitting out on the...
Did you even watch it? My guess is no but you should since it's much more educational than any of us are spitting out on the subject so you could actually learn a thing or two from watching it.
Of course I watched it. But, who is this guy and why should I believe/trust him? He does have a nice YouTube shirt and a beard...
Of course I watched it. But, who is this guy and why should I believe/trust him? He does have a nice YouTube shirt and a beard. Did you watch the previous video with John Coleman? Someone who's spent 4 lifespans of the YouTube guy working in the weather field? He seems pretty convincing as well. But why should I believe/trust what he has to say? They seem to have conflicting views. But, why should I believe what either of them tell me? I'm just curious.

Weather and climate are extremely complex things. I am not a climate scientist but I actually have worked with a lot of climate scientists in a previous job (yes, I get around). I'm just not convinced that we are effecting the climate in such a way that the doomsday scenario that Al Gore wants you to believe, and is profiting heavily from, is on the horizon. I have looked at a lot of the data. I have seen how various data has been interpreted to argue both sides. One thing is for sure, a lot of people are profiting off of the subject.

You started out with the line "This video is exactly why I leave it to the experts. I have no idea half of what they are saying." Like I was trying to get at in that other thread. Don't let other people think for you. Do your own research, learn, understand, try to become one of the experts. Think for yourself. At least try to bring yourself to a point where you actually can understand what they are talking about.
I don't have a problem understanding what's discussed in the video and I like the format/presentation of...

HIS POSITION.

Did ya notice the segment where he talks about adjusting the data...?

There REALLY IS A VIABLE ARGUMENT HERE...truly.

But, subscribing to Al Gore's Fund-Raising disguised as Science or his O-Zone Madness form the '90s?
You DO REMEMBER THAT...Don't you?...

Well, I'm not on-board. You see, I was there...when I was part of a team that presented data to Al's little "study" on that matter...remember? He REJECTED A NASA REPORT that flew in the face of his BS...Atmospheric Research that flew in the face of his POLITICS...

POLITICS.

Study SCIENCE.
Make your own conclusions.
Tell the Politicians to GFY.

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