13yr old passed away today in Tx

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8/5/2014 5:37am Edited Date/Time 8/5/2014 5:41am
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CamP.....I feel you brotha! Always a tough thing losing someone in the sport we all love.. Stay strong and support the people you know the best...
CamP.....I feel you brotha! Always a tough thing losing someone in the sport we all love.. Stay strong and support the people you know the best you can.
It is tough and it's an eye opener because this can happen to anyone that throws a leg over a bike. If you ride long enough, you'll get hit when you are down, and you'll hit someone that has gone down. It's an unfortunate part of the sport.

It doesn't take a big jump, or high speeds either. This situation happened on the smallest jump on the track, which is about 20 feet. It's a 2nd gear jump and you are doing about 10mph when you hit it.
8/5/2014 8:32am Edited Date/Time 8/5/2014 8:33am
Growing up riding and racing in this area in the early 2000's it was always split practice. 50's and 65's, 85's, Big Bike Beginners and Novice (Big Bike B ) and Big Bike A (C,B,A). It was nice. 15 minute practice and 45 minutes to rest. Ride 4-5 times a day.

I was shocked when I started riding again in the late 2000's seeing all these open practices. It's nice to get some rides in and leave early but damn is it scary. The close out speeds of a capable rider on a 250cc+ machine with a 50cc or 65cc beginner on the track is heart stopping sometimes. You come up on them soooo fast.
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Separating big bikes from little bikes is almost a no-brainer, even if its something simple like 20 mins for little bikes and 40 for big bikes. I remember riding on a track where a few pros were practicing along with a lot of other fast riders, and some parent let their 3 little girls out on the track with their PW50's. It was one of THE worst decisions made by those parents, I mean come on. Responsibility should be taken by both sides, riders and track owners.

A crazy concept that not many people can wrap their heads around is to just not let your kid ride around on a track with a bunch of big bikes/faster riders. Does your 5 year old really need to be riding on a full sized motocross track? No, but waiting until your kid is old enough to handle themselves on a track isnt really an option for some people. Their baby Ricky Carmichael needs to start early!!
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Growing up riding and racing in this area in the early 2000's it was always split practice. 50's and 65's, 85's, Big Bike Beginners and Novice...
Growing up riding and racing in this area in the early 2000's it was always split practice. 50's and 65's, 85's, Big Bike Beginners and Novice (Big Bike B ) and Big Bike A (C,B,A). It was nice. 15 minute practice and 45 minutes to rest. Ride 4-5 times a day.

I was shocked when I started riding again in the late 2000's seeing all these open practices. It's nice to get some rides in and leave early but damn is it scary. The close out speeds of a capable rider on a 250cc+ machine with a 50cc or 65cc beginner on the track is heart stopping sometimes. You come up on them soooo fast.
A lot happened between 2000 and 2010. We went from 300 rider turnouts for practice at Mosier, to seeing it dry up to the point where 80-100 riders is a big turn-out. The 65/85 ridership has taken the biggest hit, and my guess that it is around 20% of what it was back in 2000. The mini classes at the races went from full gates to just a handful.

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This is devastating for me.. This was our local track when we lived in TX. This has always been my biggest fear. I have a 10yr old & 14yr old. (Most of you know or remember Brendan Bugg) he rode RV as a little guy on his 50.. I for one am very passionate about split practices. Brendan had his femur broken when he was 5 by getting hit by a bigger bike and it was only a 65. I hope that because of this tragedy track owners see the value in splitting and other little guys are possibly saved. A 40/20 is fair for all,.. I'm pretty sure that not many of us can ride longer than 40 min anyway.. Canyon MX in Phoenix splits this way even if there is only one little bike that wants it split.. Kuddos to them!!

To Tanner, his family, the rider that was involved and the track owners you are all in my thoughts and prayers. I cant begin to imagine your pain..

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8/5/2014 6:40pm
very sad. i agree on splitting the sessions. i would gladly sit out for 20 minutes while they rode. i was riding one time and thought what about the flags you use at the dunes for smaller bikes?would help to see them over blind places.
prayers for the family.
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In an inherently dangerous sport, its my opinion, that optimizing safety considerations trumps other issues such as number of entrants, etc. It's a relatively simple thing to implement, it doesn't really detract from anyone's track time, and, in my opinion, the benefits outweigh the negative.

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8/5/2014 7:18pm
CamP wrote:
A lot happened between 2000 and 2010. We went from 300 rider turnouts for practice at Mosier, to seeing it dry up to the point where...
A lot happened between 2000 and 2010. We went from 300 rider turnouts for practice at Mosier, to seeing it dry up to the point where 80-100 riders is a big turn-out. The 65/85 ridership has taken the biggest hit, and my guess that it is around 20% of what it was back in 2000. The mini classes at the races went from full gates to just a handful.
What a terrible tragedy.

On the classes getting smaller subject what will our sport look like in 20 years if we keep losing riders?
8/5/2014 7:30pm
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A lot happened between 2000 and 2010. We went from 300 rider turnouts for practice at Mosier, to seeing it dry up to the point where...
A lot happened between 2000 and 2010. We went from 300 rider turnouts for practice at Mosier, to seeing it dry up to the point where 80-100 riders is a big turn-out. The 65/85 ridership has taken the biggest hit, and my guess that it is around 20% of what it was back in 2000. The mini classes at the races went from full gates to just a handful.
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What a terrible tragedy.

On the classes getting smaller subject what will our sport look like in 20 years if we keep losing riders?
Prayers for the family.


As long as the cost of living keeps rising and the decent paying jobs become less and less, nobody will be able to afford to take their kid racing.
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All of you guy's advocating for split practice are 100% correct imo.
My brother and I have been running and promoting races here in Southern Indiana for over 20 years. We've done many fair races over the years, as well as a full size mx track.
We currently run a small mx track here as a not for profit fundraiser for the small town we live in.

We do not let 85's on the track with big bikes, period.
So we split this way: A&B, C&D, 85&65 and all 50cc. We run 15 to 20 minute sessions depending on how hot it is, and we have very few complaints. And the few we have had were fast 85 riders that felt they should be out there with the big bikes. But our rules are set in stone.

It works pretty well for us. Everyone knows when they go out, so they can plan their breaks and meals accordingly.

We go for 6 hours. By the last couple sessions most riders are worn out and have headed home, so I don't think anyone feels cheated.

Lincoln Trail Motorsports in Casey IL (awesome track btw) does something very similar. Although the splits are a bit different the intent is the same.
No small bikes on the track with big bikes!!!

As someone said, money and rider turnout are no excuse for ignoring rider safety.
MX is dangerous enough without putting riders at undo risk.

Besides, anyone who's done any promoting should know it's a clear violation of the liability insurance policy to have big bikes on the track with little ones. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

All that said, none of it matters now to the family of the young rider who passed doing what he loved.

God speed and prayers sent!!!!

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8/5/2014 8:13pm
Anyone remember Village back in the day when they not only split the bikes by size and ability, but they were so busy the broke em up by color? Green & red and yellow & blue. Those made for some long days but it was orderly and safe/predictable.
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All of you guy's advocating for split practice are 100% correct imo. My brother and I have been running and promoting races here in Southern Indiana...
All of you guy's advocating for split practice are 100% correct imo.
My brother and I have been running and promoting races here in Southern Indiana for over 20 years. We've done many fair races over the years, as well as a full size mx track.
We currently run a small mx track here as a not for profit fundraiser for the small town we live in.

We do not let 85's on the track with big bikes, period.
So we split this way: A&B, C&D, 85&65 and all 50cc. We run 15 to 20 minute sessions depending on how hot it is, and we have very few complaints. And the few we have had were fast 85 riders that felt they should be out there with the big bikes. But our rules are set in stone.

It works pretty well for us. Everyone knows when they go out, so they can plan their breaks and meals accordingly.

We go for 6 hours. By the last couple sessions most riders are worn out and have headed home, so I don't think anyone feels cheated.

Lincoln Trail Motorsports in Casey IL (awesome track btw) does something very similar. Although the splits are a bit different the intent is the same.
No small bikes on the track with big bikes!!!

As someone said, money and rider turnout are no excuse for ignoring rider safety.
MX is dangerous enough without putting riders at undo risk.

Besides, anyone who's done any promoting should know it's a clear violation of the liability insurance policy to have big bikes on the track with little ones. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

All that said, none of it matters now to the family of the young rider who passed doing what he loved.

God speed and prayers sent!!!!

Hypothetical question. You have a 13yo son, going on 14yo, that rides an 85, and you have a 15yo son that rides a 250F. Both riders are about the same skill level. Would you let them ride together on an otherwise empty track?
8/5/2014 8:58pm
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Anyone remember Village back in the day when they not only split the bikes by size and ability, but they were so busy the broke em...
Anyone remember Village back in the day when they not only split the bikes by size and ability, but they were so busy the broke em up by color? Green & red and yellow & blue. Those made for some long days but it was orderly and safe/predictable.
Oh I remember. Those were the days.
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8/5/2014 10:29pm Edited Date/Time 8/5/2014 10:30pm
bonseff wrote:
Anyone remember Village back in the day when they not only split the bikes by size and ability, but they were so busy the broke em...
Anyone remember Village back in the day when they not only split the bikes by size and ability, but they were so busy the broke em up by color? Green & red and yellow & blue. Those made for some long days but it was orderly and safe/predictable.
I was out there a few weeks ago for my first ride back from my broken leg for practice. It was a small turnout. Maybe 15 people and I rode B practice with my friends. I got black flagged and when I went to ask what I did wrong they said I need to leave the track because I was one of maybe 4 other people they asked to leave that was hitting every jump there. They said they didn't have enough to run an A class practice so we had to leave. This was on the night track.
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8/5/2014 11:42pm
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What a terrible tragedy.

On the classes getting smaller subject what will our sport look like in 20 years if we keep losing riders?
Me and my daughters ride more cross country than MX and I have noticed the kids classes are getting bigger. I think people are starting to look to see where they can get the most bang for there buck and it's not running mx.


With all this discussion of small bike and big bikes, what do you guys consider a big bike. I know the series I run cross country with (actually it's only a 5 mile loop that runs for an hour plus 1 lap.) the 85's run the big track with the big bikes. So where do you make the split if you run a split practice. We have some 10-11 year olds running the bike track. We even have a few 65 riders that race the big track.
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8/6/2014 4:07am Edited Date/Time 8/6/2014 4:08am
Indy mxer wrote:
All of you guy's advocating for split practice are 100% correct imo. My brother and I have been running and promoting races here in Southern Indiana...
All of you guy's advocating for split practice are 100% correct imo.
My brother and I have been running and promoting races here in Southern Indiana for over 20 years. We've done many fair races over the years, as well as a full size mx track.
We currently run a small mx track here as a not for profit fundraiser for the small town we live in.

We do not let 85's on the track with big bikes, period.
So we split this way: A&B, C&D, 85&65 and all 50cc. We run 15 to 20 minute sessions depending on how hot it is, and we have very few complaints. And the few we have had were fast 85 riders that felt they should be out there with the big bikes. But our rules are set in stone.

It works pretty well for us. Everyone knows when they go out, so they can plan their breaks and meals accordingly.

We go for 6 hours. By the last couple sessions most riders are worn out and have headed home, so I don't think anyone feels cheated.

Lincoln Trail Motorsports in Casey IL (awesome track btw) does something very similar. Although the splits are a bit different the intent is the same.
No small bikes on the track with big bikes!!!

As someone said, money and rider turnout are no excuse for ignoring rider safety.
MX is dangerous enough without putting riders at undo risk.

Besides, anyone who's done any promoting should know it's a clear violation of the liability insurance policy to have big bikes on the track with little ones. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

All that said, none of it matters now to the family of the young rider who passed doing what he loved.

God speed and prayers sent!!!!

CamP wrote:
Hypothetical question. You have a 13yo son, going on 14yo, that rides an 85, and you have a 15yo son that rides a 250F. Both riders...
Hypothetical question. You have a 13yo son, going on 14yo, that rides an 85, and you have a 15yo son that rides a 250F. Both riders are about the same skill level. Would you let them ride together on an otherwise empty track?
We don't make exceptions. Once you make one, where does it stop?
It's about safety, period. Also, did you read the part about insurance?
I have 2 adult son's. Both raced from 50's on up to big bikes. My oldest still races.
I would not want them out there with big bikes. Unfortunately injuries are part of our sport and I've seen way too many over the years.
Ultimately I'm responsible for what goes on at our races. I wouldn't be able to forgive myself if I allowed something like this tragic accident to happen. But that's just me.

Cross country is much different. No blind doubles and triples. Anyway, I'm only talking mx since that's what I ride and know.
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We don't make exceptions. Once you make one, where does it stop? It's about safety, period. [u]Also, did you read the part about insurance?[/u] I have...
We don't make exceptions. Once you make one, where does it stop?
It's about safety, period. Also, did you read the part about insurance?
I have 2 adult son's. Both raced from 50's on up to big bikes. My oldest still races.
I would not want them out there with big bikes. Unfortunately injuries are part of our sport and I've seen way too many over the years.
Ultimately I'm responsible for what goes on at our races. I wouldn't be able to forgive myself if I allowed something like this tragic accident to happen. But that's just me.

Cross country is much different. No blind doubles and triples. Anyway, I'm only talking mx since that's what I ride and know.
I can see your reasoning behind it, but Ive ridden with 85 riders who are just as fast if not faster than A/B level full sized riders. Having them out with beginner 65/85 riders doesnt seem like the best idea.

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Indy mxer wrote:
We don't make exceptions. Once you make one, where does it stop? It's about safety, period. [u]Also, did you read the part about insurance?[/u] I have...
We don't make exceptions. Once you make one, where does it stop?
It's about safety, period. Also, did you read the part about insurance?
I have 2 adult son's. Both raced from 50's on up to big bikes. My oldest still races.
I would not want them out there with big bikes. Unfortunately injuries are part of our sport and I've seen way too many over the years.
Ultimately I'm responsible for what goes on at our races. I wouldn't be able to forgive myself if I allowed something like this tragic accident to happen. But that's just me.

Cross country is much different. No blind doubles and triples. Anyway, I'm only talking mx since that's what I ride and know.
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I can see your reasoning behind it, but Ive ridden with 85 riders who are just as fast if not faster than A/B level full sized...
I can see your reasoning behind it, but Ive ridden with 85 riders who are just as fast if not faster than A/B level full sized riders. Having them out with beginner 65/85 riders doesnt seem like the best idea.

I've seen those fast riders too. But who's going make the judgement on which ones go out with the big bikes?
And is that person going to take responsibility if it goes bad?
It's physics. You're still mixing big bikes and big bodies with small bikes and small bodies. Not a good combo imo.

After all it's just practice. This is not about 1 or 2 fast riders. It's more about the greater good.
Anyway, I feel it's the best and safest way for us to do it.

We can agree to disagree.
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I can see your reasoning behind it, but Ive ridden with 85 riders who are just as fast if not faster than A/B level full sized...
I can see your reasoning behind it, but Ive ridden with 85 riders who are just as fast if not faster than A/B level full sized riders. Having them out with beginner 65/85 riders doesnt seem like the best idea.

That seems to me like saying "I know this fast as hell dude that has ridden for years without a helmet. He's still fine."

My opinion is when you're setting safety policy to apply to a public facility the law of the lowest common denominator has to apply. These things are never about those who are 'just fine running with the big boys', but guarding against those cases for riders (and mistakes by the fast kid, too) that are not.

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8/6/2014 7:37am Edited Date/Time 8/6/2014 7:52am
Indy mxer wrote:
We don't make exceptions. Once you make one, where does it stop? It's about safety, period. [u]Also, did you read the part about insurance?[/u] I have...
We don't make exceptions. Once you make one, where does it stop?
It's about safety, period. Also, did you read the part about insurance?
I have 2 adult son's. Both raced from 50's on up to big bikes. My oldest still races.
I would not want them out there with big bikes. Unfortunately injuries are part of our sport and I've seen way too many over the years.
Ultimately I'm responsible for what goes on at our races. I wouldn't be able to forgive myself if I allowed something like this tragic accident to happen. But that's just me.

Cross country is much different. No blind doubles and triples. Anyway, I'm only talking mx since that's what I ride and know.
Just so you are aware, this incident didn't happen on a blind jump. It's about 3' tall and 20' long. The boys were about a bike length apart, on extreme opposite sides, left/right, of the jump. Tanner was leading, lost control and swapped over into the other boy's far right line and fell right in front of the other boy's front tire. I've seen the same thing happen on flat ground.

It was a freak accident that really isn't grounds for turning this tragedy into a soap box for how tracks should operate.
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8/6/2014 7:41am Edited Date/Time 8/6/2014 7:45am
Indy mxer wrote:
We don't make exceptions. Once you make one, where does it stop? It's about safety, period. [u]Also, did you read the part about insurance?[/u] I have...
We don't make exceptions. Once you make one, where does it stop?
It's about safety, period. Also, did you read the part about insurance?
I have 2 adult son's. Both raced from 50's on up to big bikes. My oldest still races.
I would not want them out there with big bikes. Unfortunately injuries are part of our sport and I've seen way too many over the years.
Ultimately I'm responsible for what goes on at our races. I wouldn't be able to forgive myself if I allowed something like this tragic accident to happen. But that's just me.

Cross country is much different. No blind doubles and triples. Anyway, I'm only talking mx since that's what I ride and know.
CamP wrote:
Just so you are aware, this incident didn't happen on a blind jump. It's about 3' tall and 20' long. The boys were about a bike...
Just so you are aware, this incident didn't happen on a blind jump. It's about 3' tall and 20' long. The boys were about a bike length apart, on extreme opposite sides, left/right, of the jump. Tanner was leading, lost control and swapped over into the other boy's far right line and fell right in front of the other boy's front tire. I've seen the same thing happen on flat ground.

It was a freak accident that really isn't grounds for turning this tragedy into a soap box for how tracks should operate.
Thanks for clearing that up Cam. I tried to get people to start a new thread for that discussion on page 1. But people just want to bitch and complain here. Rip little guy. I am a firm believer when it's your time it's your time. No rules would have prevented this terrible accident.
8/6/2014 7:44am
Riding incidents occur. Why does everyone have to immediately go liberal and want to regulate and riddle everything with rules. Especially when nobody knows what really happened anyway. Freak accidents occur, and they are unfortunate. That's riding. That's anything! Tour buses with high school kids crash every once in a while during field trips too...
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Thanks for clearing that up Cam. I tried to get people to start a new thread for that discussion on page 1. But people just want...
Thanks for clearing that up Cam. I tried to get people to start a new thread for that discussion on page 1. But people just want to bitch and complain here. Rip little guy. I am a firm believer when it's your time it's your time. No rules would have prevented this terrible accident.
Your welcome Cygnus. I was there and parked closest to this incident, about 200'. I just can't sit here and allow people that are 1000's of miles away to turn this into a debate on track safety when they have no idea what really happened. I feel it's totally disrespectful to all the parties involved.
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If anyone is interested they have a few FB pages up to check out. Jim Sims (Tanners Dad) sent a nice heartfelt message about the overwhelming support from the moto community that his family has received. I share my FB page with business and personal so I have alot of friends. My wife brought it to my attention that I am friends with both Tanner and Jim, though I don't recall having any recent conversations with them it hit's a little closer when you look back and could of had a good interaction with them over something moto. RIP Tanner.
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coming of the jump it is not a blind landing, but I know that coming up on the jump I could not see either of the two riders on the ground. If my daughter who was right behind the riders when they crashed had not jumped off her bike to stop me from jumping the double. I would have landed on the other rider involved. You can not see the landing from the run up to the jump.
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coming of the jump it is not a blind landing, but I know that coming up on the jump I could not see either of the two riders on the ground. If my daughter who was right behind the riders when they crashed had not jumped off her bike to stop me from jumping the double. I would have landed on the other rider involved. You can not see the landing from the run up to the jump.

Like CamP said it was just a freak accident. There was no where for the 15 year old to go. Tanner was still on his bike when he was hit so there was no way for the other kid to try and jump over him.
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Riding incidents occur. Why does everyone have to immediately go liberal and want to regulate and riddle everything with rules. Especially when nobody knows what really...
Riding incidents occur. Why does everyone have to immediately go liberal and want to regulate and riddle everything with rules. Especially when nobody knows what really happened anyway. Freak accidents occur, and they are unfortunate. That's riding. That's anything! Tour buses with high school kids crash every once in a while during field trips too...
I have to agree, in that I don't think an overarching rule will solve this problem. I feel like this is something that each individual track owner needs to address based on their unique situation. For example, one of the tracks I ride around here allows beginners and minis to ride at the same time, while allowing novice and expert riders, as well as a few fast minis occasionally to ride during a different session. However, the same owners own another track about an hour away, and there are absolutely no big bikes allowed with the minis. Furtherly, they may split practices in different ways depending on what type of turnout they have, and i feel it is safe for everyone. My point being, every track is unique and each owner must take their unique situation into account. Unfortunately, some don't make the right decision, and unfortunately no rule will ever completely stop these terrible things from happening. Horrible deal all around, and it sounds like it was just a freak accident.
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coming of the jump it is not a blind landing, but I know that coming up on the jump I could not see either of the...
coming of the jump it is not a blind landing, but I know that coming up on the jump I could not see either of the two riders on the ground. If my daughter who was right behind the riders when they crashed had not jumped off her bike to stop me from jumping the double. I would have landed on the other rider involved. You can not see the landing from the run up to the jump.

Like CamP said it was just a freak accident. There was no where for the 15 year old to go. Tanner was still on his bike when he was hit so there was no way for the other kid to try and jump over him.
Good to have another eyewitness. There was no way to avoid this extremely sad situation. I would be happy to donate some $ to the family for all the costs they will incur. Is anyone doing some stickers for him? I have a collection of stickers for riders that have gone to the other side to be able to keep them and their families in my prayers and thoughts every time I reach for a tool in my box.
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8/6/2014 9:24pm Edited Date/Time 8/6/2014 9:26pm
Riding incidents occur. Why does everyone have to immediately go liberal and want to regulate and riddle everything with rules. Especially when nobody knows what really...
Riding incidents occur. Why does everyone have to immediately go liberal and want to regulate and riddle everything with rules. Especially when nobody knows what really happened anyway. Freak accidents occur, and they are unfortunate. That's riding. That's anything! Tour buses with high school kids crash every once in a while during field trips too...
JM485 wrote:
I have to agree, in that I don't think an overarching rule will solve this problem. I feel like this is something that each individual track...
I have to agree, in that I don't think an overarching rule will solve this problem. I feel like this is something that each individual track owner needs to address based on their unique situation. For example, one of the tracks I ride around here allows beginners and minis to ride at the same time, while allowing novice and expert riders, as well as a few fast minis occasionally to ride during a different session. However, the same owners own another track about an hour away, and there are absolutely no big bikes allowed with the minis. Furtherly, they may split practices in different ways depending on what type of turnout they have, and i feel it is safe for everyone. My point being, every track is unique and each owner must take their unique situation into account. Unfortunately, some don't make the right decision, and unfortunately no rule will ever completely stop these terrible things from happening. Horrible deal all around, and it sounds like it was just a freak accident.
Thanks for that post. It's one of the few that make sense in here .

Anyone that goes to a track to ride and thinks it isn't safe has the ability to not even unload and ride. Or pack back up and leave. I will refund anyone's money that thinks my track isn't safe for them and thier family.
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8/7/2014 4:53am Edited Date/Time 8/7/2014 4:53am
I've been doing mx since I was 15 and I'm now 57. So I've seen a lot. Mostly good, but some bad.
What happened to this boy is more than tragic. And as a Father of 4, my heart goes out to the family.
But for some of you to say it couldn't be prevented is total BS.

It's quite simple. If big bikes and mini's aren't on the track at the same time they can't collide! It's called minimizing risk, not eliminating it. That's why most liability policies require it.

Maybe it's just me, but I just don't see how anyone can think having these bikes on the track at the same time is a good thing.
Whats the upside?

I'll just say, in 20+ years of promoting races, although we've had our share of bad getoff's, pile ups and injuries, and we're not perfect, we've never had an accident involving a big bike and a mini. And as long as I'm involved we won't. I never want to be in a position where I have to explain to a parent why his child got run over by a big bike.
Hell, I get nervous sometimes when the 85's and 65's are out there together, let alone big bikes..

But just as in all accidents, some are preventable. Hopefully, as with all tragic events, something good comes out of this.
It's a discussion that needs to be had.

But you're right, every promoter needs to do whats best for their situation.

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