The IV issue

8/1/2014 7:00pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2014 7:03pm
TripleFive wrote:
Why wouldn't the nurse simply say, "I am James' nurse" or "I oversee his health?" Does it really make sense for James to hire a nurse...
Why wouldn't the nurse simply say, "I am James' nurse" or "I oversee his health?"

Does it really make sense for James to hire a nurse to oversee his condition on race day? It's like hiring a receptionist at a gym to create your workouts instead of a trainer.
Again, it doesn't matter what makes sense to you or not. You've embellished what is, as of now, hearsay. Things you don't know:

1) The full capacities of Stewart's nurse.

2) Stewart's exact relationship with his private nurse.

3) When Stewart received iv's.

4) How many races Stewart's nurse attended.

Your case here amounts to, "This doesn't make sense to me why Stewart would have a private nurse at the races, he's cheating. Not to mention, Matthes says it, too!"

8/1/2014 7:03pm
What circumstantial evidence points towards cheating? There is none! What I've done is provide [i]possible[/i] reasons why Stewart could have a private nurse. What you've done...
What circumstantial evidence points towards cheating? There is none!

What I've done is provide possible reasons why Stewart could have a private nurse.

What you've done is fill in those blanks, which you are now calling "circumstantial evidence", accusing Stewart of cheating.
In your opinion, does the nurse's statement make it more likely that James was cheating? Or does the statement not change the odds at all?
8/1/2014 7:07pm
TripleFive wrote:
In your opinion, does the nurse's statement make it more likely that James was cheating? Or does the statement not change the odds at all?
It doesn't change it at all.
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8/1/2014 7:12pm
People...if the rules say that the "competent medical authority that administered the IV then is then allowed to release him to continue competition then there is NO RULE BROKEN. A loop hole or grey area yes but perfectly "legal".

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8/1/2014 7:16pm
What circumstantial evidence points towards cheating? There is none! What I've done is provide [i]possible[/i] reasons why Stewart could have a private nurse. What you've done...
What circumstantial evidence points towards cheating? There is none!

What I've done is provide possible reasons why Stewart could have a private nurse.

What you've done is fill in those blanks, which you are now calling "circumstantial evidence", accusing Stewart of cheating.
TripleFive wrote:
In your opinion, does the nurse's statement make it more likely that James was cheating? Or does the statement not change the odds at all?
Exactly who did she say this too?

I believe at one point James said they employ over 40 people. He has always been very private about injuries, it wouldn't surprise me that he would have his own nurse for many reasons. An IV is so simple he could have anyone do that.
8/1/2014 7:16pm
plowboy wrote:
People...if the rules say that the "competent medical authority that administered the IV then is then allowed to release him to continue competition then there is...
People...if the rules say that the "competent medical authority that administered the IV then is then allowed to release him to continue competition then there is NO RULE BROKEN. A loop hole or grey area yes but perfectly "legal".
Yeah, IF that was the rule, you would have a point.
8/1/2014 7:17pm
It doesn't change it at all.
You really believe this?

The was I see it, one cannot receive an IV without having IV bags. IV bags are useless without someone who knows how to stab a vein.

We now know for a fact that James had the tools, capability, motive, and opportunity to break the rule.
8/1/2014 7:18pm
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Exactly who did she say this too? I believe at one point James said they employ over 40 people. He has always been very private about...
Exactly who did she say this too?

I believe at one point James said they employ over 40 people. He has always been very private about injuries, it wouldn't surprise me that he would have his own nurse for many reasons. An IV is so simple he could have anyone do that.
You beat me to it.

It's funny how some seem to "read it" on the internet, and assume that it's written in stone.
8/1/2014 7:20pm
It doesn't change it at all.
TripleFive wrote:
You really believe this? The was I see it, one cannot receive an IV without having IV bags. IV bags are useless without someone who knows...
You really believe this?

The was I see it, one cannot receive an IV without having IV bags. IV bags are useless without someone who knows how to stab a vein.

We now know for a fact that James had the tools, capability, motive, and opportunity to break the rule.
You're trying to swim up a river, please STOP before you drown.
8/1/2014 7:48pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2014 7:55pm
Anyone can hire a private duty nurse. But the nurse still needs a physician order to: 1.) Start an IV, 2.) Administer IV fluids 3.) Remove the IV.

There's nothing illegal about having a private duty nurse in your motorcoach performing nursing duties with legal IV start/medication administration orders from a private physician that a rider can also hire.

I don't see anything wrong with the riders getting a bag of normal saline or lactated ringers between motos. If they got a doctor on staff and he wants to write them an order for one liter, then so be it. 2 - 40 minute motos in heat and high humidity....I wouldn't say the IV is performance enhancing. If these guys are sick they might not be able to properly hydrate either....many factors.

Josh Lichtle could of used fluids at Red Bud. Wish he would of had a liter or two before his moto and we might still be graced with his presence down here....
8/1/2014 7:58pm
• Can we leave James out of it?

• Yes, an IV could be something that is OK. It has been argued that privateers would be disadvantaged since they can't afford their own medical staff and MXSports might not want people "shooting up" themselves.

• I'd say it's clearly performance enhancing, in the second moto anyway.

• Lichtle could have used one and could have received one. He just couldn't race after that.

• Riders have said that they've directly observed it. That's "hearsay" and you people actually believe that unless we've seen it we can't question it? I've never seen anyone use PEDs so they shouldn't test because I haven't seen it - from my couch? That's ridiculous.
8/1/2014 8:03pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2014 8:10pm
• Can we leave James out of it? • Yes, an IV could be something that is OK. It has been argued that privateers would be...
• Can we leave James out of it?

• Yes, an IV could be something that is OK. It has been argued that privateers would be disadvantaged since they can't afford their own medical staff and MXSports might not want people "shooting up" themselves.

• I'd say it's clearly performance enhancing, in the second moto anyway.

• Lichtle could have used one and could have received one. He just couldn't race after that.

• Riders have said that they've directly observed it. That's "hearsay" and you people actually believe that unless we've seen it we can't question it? I've never seen anyone use PEDs so they shouldn't test because I haven't seen it - from my couch? That's ridiculous.
I'm a nurse, I'll start an IV on any pro for a "Private duty" fee of $100. But I must have access to physician orders. The doctor might charge a bit more than $100. Wink

I'll start IV fluids for an additional $50, monitor you during the infusion for additional $50.

I'll remove the IV for $50 afterwards.


Man....wonder if I could set up a tent at these nationals. (Joking of course)



It's not performance enhancing. I can't hydrate two already hydrated riders and they both will magically be faster. You can hydrate two dehydrated riders and they still won't be magically faster.

Although, a poorly hydrated rider may or may not perform less than ideal...

So how can we say it's performance...enhancing? And this is America.....if someone wants to enter a race and they're not physically safe to do so who are we to stop them?
8/1/2014 8:41pm
"Although, a poorly hydrated rider may or may not perform less than ideal..."

A rider gets dehydrated and therefore performs less than ideal. Therefore, getting an IV is performance enhancing.

Who gives a shit? This isn't a performance enhancing discussion anyway: the point is that it's against the rules and actual riders think it's a major advantage.
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It doesn't change it at all.
TripleFive wrote:
You really believe this? The was I see it, one cannot receive an IV without having IV bags. IV bags are useless without someone who knows...
You really believe this?

The was I see it, one cannot receive an IV without having IV bags. IV bags are useless without someone who knows how to stab a vein.

We now know for a fact that James had the tools, capability, motive, and opportunity to break the rule.
Langhammx wrote:
You're trying to swim up a river, please STOP before you drown.
not gunna happen, dude has been on a personal crusade to be in every JS7 "cheating" thread playing prosecutor..
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8/1/2014 9:58pm
To IV or not to IV. I am good either way. Listening to Pulpmx, it became clear rather quickly that enforcement of the rule is broken. If the rule is going to exist, then figure out how to enforce it. The discussion of motor homes should have no bearing on enforcement. If it can't or won't be enforced then get rid of the rule and let any rider IV in any fashion the deem appropriate.
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8/1/2014 10:14pm
I think personally there should be a set criteria for HEAT and HUMIDITY that riders SHOULD be allowed to get IV fluids between motos. If say...
I think personally there should be a set criteria for HEAT and HUMIDITY that riders SHOULD be allowed to get IV fluids between motos. If say, it is 105 degree day with 80% humidity (or something close) the track medics and Doc Bodner and DC should allow 2 liters normal saline or Lactated Ringers. Would that have helped Josh Lictle? I don't know, but simple IV fluids are NOT PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS, just fluids to help your organs function properly. I know the Vidtards will blow me up for my opinion, but HYDRATION at the track should be a priority for all riders.
I wouldn't blow you up for your opinion even if I didn't necessarily agree with it. But in this case, I couldn't agree more.

This whole "IV issue" is a microcosm of how ridiculous a world we live in sometimes.
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8/1/2014 10:48pm
Fact is... If you are truly dehydrated enough to require an IV you are not receiving any performance enhancement, just life sustainment. If you are dehydrated at all you are not performing optimally at all, the average person doesn't realize how dangerous and life threatening dehydration or hyper hydration (water intoxication) can be.... Yes you can drink too much water and People die from both.

I can give myself an IV it's not that hard and you don't require a nurse or medical professional to administer one, just a steady hand.

I say again... There is nothing Performance enhancing about an IV! If you think it is... You are just misinformed or watched too much tv.
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8/1/2014 11:16pm
Study after study after study proves that there is no difference between I.V.s and plain drinking water with regards to recovery and performance. Some studies have even shown that drinking water can have a better outcome between bouts of exhaustion in terms of recovery.

You can try and educate both riders and their respective entourage but for the most part it goes in one ear and out the other.

The psychological part of this sport is second only to women's gymnastics. What I have seen these riders do on a motorcycle while suffering from injury is beyond comprehension. Hansen riding with a fractured hand in SX, Ryno riding with a fractured lower leg and multiple dislocations. At the same time this psyche provides an avenue for some scum of the earth individuals to feed them with pseudo science bull shit for monetary gain. These riders are willing to do whatever it takes to win, forgoing common sense and real science, for the first person that tells them what they want to hear. Nasal strips, magnets, magic stickers, grounding blankets and yes I.V.s are pushed and sold as means to recover faster, heal quicker and get rid of arm pump with the rider never bothering to ask questions.

Education is the answer but that hill is extremely steep and I am afraid we are not even half-way up.
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8/2/2014 4:01am
EddieC wrote:
Study after study after study proves that there is no difference between I.V.s and plain drinking water with regards to recovery and performance. Some studies have...
Study after study after study proves that there is no difference between I.V.s and plain drinking water with regards to recovery and performance. Some studies have even shown that drinking water can have a better outcome between bouts of exhaustion in terms of recovery.

You can try and educate both riders and their respective entourage but for the most part it goes in one ear and out the other.

The psychological part of this sport is second only to women's gymnastics. What I have seen these riders do on a motorcycle while suffering from injury is beyond comprehension. Hansen riding with a fractured hand in SX, Ryno riding with a fractured lower leg and multiple dislocations. At the same time this psyche provides an avenue for some scum of the earth individuals to feed them with pseudo science bull shit for monetary gain. These riders are willing to do whatever it takes to win, forgoing common sense and real science, for the first person that tells them what they want to hear. Nasal strips, magnets, magic stickers, grounding blankets and yes I.V.s are pushed and sold as means to recover faster, heal quicker and get rid of arm pump with the rider never bothering to ask questions.

Education is the answer but that hill is extremely steep and I am afraid we are not even half-way up.
Eddie you have a lot more experience with this situation than most on here so I have to ask. Why give a rider an IV instead of plain drinking water if they are dehydrated. My guess would be recovery time. On Pulp mx, JT stated there would be a line of people after a race to get an IV. He claims that this would allow him to recover quicker and would help with his training during the week. Why offer those riders an IV after the race if plain drinking water will do the same? Isn't this contributing to the educational issue that you mentioned above?

I'm not an expert on this but while playing competitive soccer the trainer use to say it takes roughly 3 days to properly re-hydrate once you became dehydrated. Is this correct? Why would Grant Langston regularly have an IV prior to leaving for a race if there is no advantage, as he stated on the Pulp mx show. I have never had an IV in any race situation but can tell you that I recently had a dehydration issue, had an IV and felt 1,000 times better within 45 minutes.

A lot of people mention that an IV has no bearing on a riders performance and they are correct, it does not elevate their peek performance but it does allow them to continue at a their peak for a longer than they would normally be able to. I'm not sure where it stops. If they are having this done just before they leave for the race would they have it done after practice? IMO the rule is very gray and it shouldn't be allowed at all on a race DATE, before or after the event, unless for medical reasons and those riders are rule out for the day. I don't know what the correct answer is but there is some truth that an IV helps a rider perform at his peak level for a long period.

An IV helps thousands of people daily to help them recover from dehydration, why wouldn't it help a rider after a grueling outdoor moto?
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8/2/2014 9:56am
I think personally there should be a set criteria for HEAT and HUMIDITY that riders SHOULD be allowed to get IV fluids between motos. If say...
I think personally there should be a set criteria for HEAT and HUMIDITY that riders SHOULD be allowed to get IV fluids between motos. If say, it is 105 degree day with 80% humidity (or something close) the track medics and Doc Bodner and DC should allow 2 liters normal saline or Lactated Ringers. Would that have helped Josh Lictle? I don't know, but simple IV fluids are NOT PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS, just fluids to help your organs function properly. I know the Vidtards will blow me up for my opinion, but HYDRATION at the track should be a priority for all riders.
JM485 wrote:
As I understand the rules, you are allowed to get an IV if it is deemed medically necessary, however you will not be able to race...
As I understand the rules, you are allowed to get an IV if it is deemed medically necessary, however you will not be able to race afterwards. You might already know this, but my point is there is nothing stopping riders who NEED an IV from getting one if it is necessary for their health. Hydration is incredibly important, which is one of the reasons the Asterisk unit is so important to have on hand, so they can deliver fluid if necessary. Nothing is stopping them from recieving treatment, they just have to make the decision to end their day for the necessity of their health.
JM485 I completely understand the rules, my point was Normal Saline or Lactated Ringers between motos on days that MEET a curtain criteria ie. a "Red Flag Day". Say over 90 degrees and over 50% humidity where the HEAT INDEX is 100+ degrees allow IV fluids even between motos. It will make for healthier riders during the day.
8/2/2014 10:10am
I didn't say a baby sitter - just want them where their competitors and officials can see them. I thought this could be one solution to...
I didn't say a baby sitter - just want them where their competitors and officials can see them. I thought this could be one solution to a problem that seemed to have little solutions. If you don't like it, that's fine.

If you want everyone to have them (or access to them), I think that's a solution too. There could be practical problems about getting enough medical personnel around, particularly for the privateers.

Also, I didn't say anything about James. He might have accidentally brought the issue up but it's been discussed to death before this and riders like JT and others are on record saying they've seen it done. That's plenty of evidence to me, and it should be pretty obvious that this would be going on behind closed doors. Why wouldn't you under current conditions?
I didn't say a baby sitter - just want them where their competitors and officials can see them.

In other words, a baby sitter.

What I'm trying to figure out is why people are focusing on this issue? There are bigger fish to fry than whether or not a rider in using an iv between motos.

The reason this has come back up is because someone decided to start a rumor about James Stewart without any regard to facts and how it could possibly tarnish his reputation. It was interesting how it went from James Stewart's nurse that provides iv's to James Stewart's nurse who provides iv's between motos.

Off the record, my personal opinion is that when you mix in the adderall issue and the way that was dealt with, I think it's obvious some bigger players want to tarnish Stewart's reputation and legacy in the sport.

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8/2/2014 10:18am
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I picture a white fence corral with all the riders inside Huh
Me too with these hanging and RED BULL "Nurses"Just think; it can be available to "all" racers and even the public (they have to pay but get the actual Red Bull product). Fans can get autographs from the riders while their sitting together hooked up. Think of the marketing aspects of this!

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8/2/2014 10:25am
MX Racers getting IVs is a bad public image. Smells like cheating.
8/2/2014 10:48am
I think personally there should be a set criteria for HEAT and HUMIDITY that riders SHOULD be allowed to get IV fluids between motos. If say...
I think personally there should be a set criteria for HEAT and HUMIDITY that riders SHOULD be allowed to get IV fluids between motos. If say, it is 105 degree day with 80% humidity (or something close) the track medics and Doc Bodner and DC should allow 2 liters normal saline or Lactated Ringers. Would that have helped Josh Lictle? I don't know, but simple IV fluids are NOT PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS, just fluids to help your organs function properly. I know the Vidtards will blow me up for my opinion, but HYDRATION at the track should be a priority for all riders.
100% correct. IVs allow your body to do faster what it would do naturally and more slowly through drinking, eating and rest.

Do we want to see who the best dirt bike rider is...of who has the best natural physiology to recover from heat and dehydration?

The fact is, there is no way to enforce the rule. If the riders did all follow the rule 100% of the time, it would possibly endanger riders safety.

Do not fool yourself. All the top riders are prepared to bag up if they need to. Some of them have help..some know how to and are willing to do it themselves. There are stories from years ago about riders at RCs ranch giving each other IVs just to recover from practices in the southern heat.
8/2/2014 10:51am Edited Date/Time 8/2/2014 10:56am
CR250Rider wrote:
MX Racers getting IVs is a bad public image. Smells like cheating.
Philadelphia, PA (May 5, 2011) - Three-fourths of NFL teams "hyperhydrate" players with intravenous (IV) fluids before games—despite a lack of proven benefits and some risk of complications, according to a study in the May Clinical Journal of Sport Medicine. The journal is published by Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, a part of Wolters Kluwer Health, a leading provider of information and business intelligence for students, professionals, and institutions in medicine, nursing, allied health, and pharmacy.


Really. Then where is the uproar about NFL teams using it?
8/2/2014 10:55am Edited Date/Time 8/2/2014 10:55am
MX455 wrote:
Eddie you have a lot more experience with this situation than most on here so I have to ask. Why give a rider an IV instead...
Eddie you have a lot more experience with this situation than most on here so I have to ask. Why give a rider an IV instead of plain drinking water if they are dehydrated. My guess would be recovery time. On Pulp mx, JT stated there would be a line of people after a race to get an IV. He claims that this would allow him to recover quicker and would help with his training during the week. Why offer those riders an IV after the race if plain drinking water will do the same? Isn't this contributing to the educational issue that you mentioned above?

I'm not an expert on this but while playing competitive soccer the trainer use to say it takes roughly 3 days to properly re-hydrate once you became dehydrated. Is this correct? Why would Grant Langston regularly have an IV prior to leaving for a race if there is no advantage, as he stated on the Pulp mx show. I have never had an IV in any race situation but can tell you that I recently had a dehydration issue, had an IV and felt 1,000 times better within 45 minutes.

A lot of people mention that an IV has no bearing on a riders performance and they are correct, it does not elevate their peek performance but it does allow them to continue at a their peak for a longer than they would normally be able to. I'm not sure where it stops. If they are having this done just before they leave for the race would they have it done after practice? IMO the rule is very gray and it shouldn't be allowed at all on a race DATE, before or after the event, unless for medical reasons and those riders are rule out for the day. I don't know what the correct answer is but there is some truth that an IV helps a rider perform at his peak level for a long period.

An IV helps thousands of people daily to help them recover from dehydration, why wouldn't it help a rider after a grueling outdoor moto?
So what you are saying is that you are more interested in seeing is who has the best natural physiology to recover from heat and dehydration as opposed to seeing who the best rider is. Recovery from dehydration is not something you can train for. Some people naturally do it better. Sorry, but idea they should never be allowed to use IVs because it helps them recover is absurd. That is precisely why they SHOULD be allowed to take them. It brings the riders back to their optimal condition for competition sooner.
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8/2/2014 10:57am Edited Date/Time 8/2/2014 10:58am
MX455 wrote:
Eddie you have a lot more experience with this situation than most on here so I have to ask. Why give a rider an IV instead...
Eddie you have a lot more experience with this situation than most on here so I have to ask. Why give a rider an IV instead of plain drinking water if they are dehydrated. My guess would be recovery time. On Pulp mx, JT stated there would be a line of people after a race to get an IV. He claims that this would allow him to recover quicker and would help with his training during the week. Why offer those riders an IV after the race if plain drinking water will do the same? Isn't this contributing to the educational issue that you mentioned above?

I'm not an expert on this but while playing competitive soccer the trainer use to say it takes roughly 3 days to properly re-hydrate once you became dehydrated. Is this correct? Why would Grant Langston regularly have an IV prior to leaving for a race if there is no advantage, as he stated on the Pulp mx show. I have never had an IV in any race situation but can tell you that I recently had a dehydration issue, had an IV and felt 1,000 times better within 45 minutes.

A lot of people mention that an IV has no bearing on a riders performance and they are correct, it does not elevate their peek performance but it does allow them to continue at a their peak for a longer than they would normally be able to. I'm not sure where it stops. If they are having this done just before they leave for the race would they have it done after practice? IMO the rule is very gray and it shouldn't be allowed at all on a race DATE, before or after the event, unless for medical reasons and those riders are rule out for the day. I don't know what the correct answer is but there is some truth that an IV helps a rider perform at his peak level for a long period.

An IV helps thousands of people daily to help them recover from dehydration, why wouldn't it help a rider after a grueling outdoor moto?
So what you are saying is that you are more interested in seeing is who has the best natural physiology to recover from heat and dehydration...
So what you are saying is that you are more interested in seeing is who has the best natural physiology to recover from heat and dehydration as opposed to seeing who the best rider is. Recovery from dehydration is not something you can train for. Some people naturally do it better. Sorry, but idea they should never be allowed to use IVs because it helps them recover is absurd. That is precisely why they SHOULD be allowed to take them. It brings the riders back to their optimal condition for competition sooner.
Yep, and with the races going off closer than ever cause of the shitty TV package the rule needs to be changed. Should hVe been changed when we lost Josh Lichtle. Rip.
8/2/2014 10:58am Edited Date/Time 8/2/2014 10:58am
[b]I didn't say a baby sitter - just want them where their competitors and officials can see them.[/b] In other words, a baby sitter. What I'm...
I didn't say a baby sitter - just want them where their competitors and officials can see them.

In other words, a baby sitter.

What I'm trying to figure out is why people are focusing on this issue? There are bigger fish to fry than whether or not a rider in using an iv between motos.

The reason this has come back up is because someone decided to start a rumor about James Stewart without any regard to facts and how it could possibly tarnish his reputation. It was interesting how it went from James Stewart's nurse that provides iv's to James Stewart's nurse who provides iv's between motos.

Off the record, my personal opinion is that when you mix in the adderall issue and the way that was dealt with, I think it's obvious some bigger players want to tarnish Stewart's reputation and legacy in the sport.

James does not need any help tarnishing his image. He does fine all by himself. The nurse thing is not a rumor...it happened.
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8/2/2014 11:01am
MX455 wrote:
Eddie you have a lot more experience with this situation than most on here so I have to ask. Why give a rider an IV instead...
Eddie you have a lot more experience with this situation than most on here so I have to ask. Why give a rider an IV instead of plain drinking water if they are dehydrated. My guess would be recovery time. On Pulp mx, JT stated there would be a line of people after a race to get an IV. He claims that this would allow him to recover quicker and would help with his training during the week. Why offer those riders an IV after the race if plain drinking water will do the same? Isn't this contributing to the educational issue that you mentioned above?

I'm not an expert on this but while playing competitive soccer the trainer use to say it takes roughly 3 days to properly re-hydrate once you became dehydrated. Is this correct? Why would Grant Langston regularly have an IV prior to leaving for a race if there is no advantage, as he stated on the Pulp mx show. I have never had an IV in any race situation but can tell you that I recently had a dehydration issue, had an IV and felt 1,000 times better within 45 minutes.

A lot of people mention that an IV has no bearing on a riders performance and they are correct, it does not elevate their peek performance but it does allow them to continue at a their peak for a longer than they would normally be able to. I'm not sure where it stops. If they are having this done just before they leave for the race would they have it done after practice? IMO the rule is very gray and it shouldn't be allowed at all on a race DATE, before or after the event, unless for medical reasons and those riders are rule out for the day. I don't know what the correct answer is but there is some truth that an IV helps a rider perform at his peak level for a long period.

An IV helps thousands of people daily to help them recover from dehydration, why wouldn't it help a rider after a grueling outdoor moto?
So what you are saying is that you are more interested in seeing is who has the best natural physiology to recover from heat and dehydration...
So what you are saying is that you are more interested in seeing is who has the best natural physiology to recover from heat and dehydration as opposed to seeing who the best rider is. Recovery from dehydration is not something you can train for. Some people naturally do it better. Sorry, but idea they should never be allowed to use IVs because it helps them recover is absurd. That is precisely why they SHOULD be allowed to take them. It brings the riders back to their optimal condition for competition sooner.
Isnt that the pro ped argument? Ya I think natural physiology should play its part. This isnt a videogame. They cant have works bikes. Why should they allow works riders?

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