Herlings really?

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7/20/2014 10:18am
jamma10 wrote:
What a horrible (and inevitable) thread.

pilotdude wrote:
Jamma, I'm sorry to have gone there, but 2StrokeRider and a few other are just out of control. I mean the dude is making McCread look...
Jamma, I'm sorry to have gone there, but 2StrokeRider and a few other are just out of control. I mean the dude is making McCread look like a moderate in comparison.
Haha that's the entertaining part of forums
People lashing out at other people it always ends up happening

Who cares


People take this way to seriously
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7/20/2014 10:21am
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I don't really care whats been said tbh, all I know is that when you log onto Vital after a few days off you really realise...
I don't really care whats been said tbh, all I know is that when you log onto Vital after a few days off you really realise what a nasty clusterfuck it can be at times.

This is a sport we all love passionately, we should have a common bond and all the riders should be celebrated wherever they come from.
As long as we can all agree that 'merica rules, it's all good homeboy! Wink
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7/20/2014 10:23am Edited Date/Time 7/20/2014 10:26am
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Herlings specialty is sand. Lomel is a sand track and an extreme one at that. GP fans constantly make that statement and pretty much everyone accepts...
Herlings specialty is sand. Lomel is a sand track and an extreme one at that. GP fans constantly make that statement and pretty much everyone accepts that it is true. That track is Cairoli's personal practice track. He moved just down the road so he could practice there A LOT. A track never seen before by any of the U.S. riders until a few days before that event. Do any of you GP fans have ANY idea how ridiculous it sounds when you try to slap down U.S. riders by using the "lapping" comment?

Do you have any idea how badly Herlings would fare if he came to A1 and tried to do the same? He would get lapped is what would happen, and not just by a couple guys. But Herlings doesn't ride supercross tracks, and he sure as hell doesn't ride them like the supercross riders do leading up to A1.

I think Herlings is in the same category as Roczen as in he is a very, very fast pro rider. No one can reasonably dispute that fact. I respect Roczen far more for a couple reasons, however. Roczen is more down to earth and is not on the same planet as Herlings in terms of arrogance. Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that after kicking ass over in the GPs, he came to the U.S. and got his ass kicked for a while. And if you were watching yesterday, you would see that Tomac still has his number when it comes to ass-kicking.

Herlings, on the other hand, sits in the MX2 class while Longo changes the rules to accommadate him, doesn't come do supercross the way Roczen did, and may quite possibly to be the most arrogant rider of all time who has never ridden a single moto in the U.S. or a single supercross main in his life. Yet some GP fans here treat him like the 2nd coming of Jesus H.Tapdancing Christ.

He may very well be, but he sure as HELL hasn't proven it to anyone yet through his actions. I respect Pourcel, Musquin, and Roczen far, far more because of their willingness to truly take on a new level of challenge, in a new place, with new (and more intense) competition, and their down-to-earth humble attitudes while doing so.

I'd like to see Longo's Golden Boy come over here and get slapped around for a full season of supercross and Nationals AND THEN see what his fucking attitude (and his fans attitude) is.
The Supercross thing is a non starter as far as this Herlings conversation is concerned. He beat the guys at the MXoN not the SXoN. I agree, at SX they'd smoke him but it had nothing to do with SX and neither does the race he's coming over to do.

I've visited here for years, just never bothered to post but the Herlings stuff has got me kind of confused. Confused in that a bloke who has beaten US riders and who is undeniably fast (sand or no sand) can be written off as maybe a Top 10 - if he has a good day. Folks are saying that and it's not just nonsense it incredibly disrespectful to the guys in GPs and MX2 in particular. Is it just me who sees the irony in the claims that Herlings is arrogant?

I'm not a Youthstream fan but if Herlings wants to race a 250 then let him. Personally I think he should go to the US Nationals, do 2 seasons in 250s then go back to the GPs in MX1. He's not doing that, not because he's scared of the racing but because he seems to want to race GPs. It's his life, leave him to it.

Will he win when he goes over in a couple of weeks, I don't know. If he does it's unlikely to be easy, there are several riders in 250s who're fast too. The track is just another motocross track, if he or anyone else can't cope with the track then he/they need to work harder. Herlings is at a slight disadvantage but I don't think any of the others is exactly a local expert.

And your last paragraph? Do you really believe that?

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7/20/2014 10:26am Edited Date/Time 7/20/2014 10:27am
jamma10 wrote:
I don't really care whats been said tbh, all I know is that when you log onto Vital after a few days off you really realise...
I don't really care whats been said tbh, all I know is that when you log onto Vital after a few days off you really realise what a nasty clusterfuck it can be at times.

This is a sport we all love passionately, we should have a common bond and all the riders should be celebrated wherever they come from.
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As long as we can all agree that 'merica rules, it's all good homeboy! Wink
At the moment I'm on holiday on a Greek Island so I shouldn't really care! Smile

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7/20/2014 10:31am
Herlings coming over here is making people fuckin stupid/insane.

I'm glad he's comin to try it out and the racing will be sick.
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At the moment I'm on holiday on a Greek Island so I shouldn't really care! Smile
NICE!
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7/20/2014 10:46am
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The Supercross thing is a non starter as far as this Herlings conversation is concerned. He beat the guys at the MXoN not the SXoN. I...
The Supercross thing is a non starter as far as this Herlings conversation is concerned. He beat the guys at the MXoN not the SXoN. I agree, at SX they'd smoke him but it had nothing to do with SX and neither does the race he's coming over to do.

I've visited here for years, just never bothered to post but the Herlings stuff has got me kind of confused. Confused in that a bloke who has beaten US riders and who is undeniably fast (sand or no sand) can be written off as maybe a Top 10 - if he has a good day. Folks are saying that and it's not just nonsense it incredibly disrespectful to the guys in GPs and MX2 in particular. Is it just me who sees the irony in the claims that Herlings is arrogant?

I'm not a Youthstream fan but if Herlings wants to race a 250 then let him. Personally I think he should go to the US Nationals, do 2 seasons in 250s then go back to the GPs in MX1. He's not doing that, not because he's scared of the racing but because he seems to want to race GPs. It's his life, leave him to it.

Will he win when he goes over in a couple of weeks, I don't know. If he does it's unlikely to be easy, there are several riders in 250s who're fast too. The track is just another motocross track, if he or anyone else can't cope with the track then he/they need to work harder. Herlings is at a slight disadvantage but I don't think any of the others is exactly a local expert.

And your last paragraph? Do you really believe that?

Why don't you ask that question of Roczen, Musquin, and Pourcel? It seems to me they would know, as they have actually done it, and done it with cool, down-to-earth attitudes. Unlike Herlings and his zombies who seem to claim he is "on another level" from any other rider on the planet. Maybe even solar system, galaxy, or universe.
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7/20/2014 11:05am
pilotdude wrote:
Why don't you ask that question of Roczen, Musquin, and Pourcel? It seems to me they would know, as they have actually done it, and done...
Why don't you ask that question of Roczen, Musquin, and Pourcel? It seems to me they would know, as they have actually done it, and done it with cool, down-to-earth attitudes. Unlike Herlings and his zombies who seem to claim he is "on another level" from any other rider on the planet. Maybe even solar system, galaxy, or universe.
So you do genuinely believe that Herlings would get 'slapped around' if he came over there to race?

The bloke who's pretty much universally accepted as the 2nd fastest in GP racing isn't much more than a 3 digit pro in the USA? Think about it, that's what you're saying.

And you're calling Herlings arrogant.

This is the bit I'm confused about. If any of your top US guys came to the GPs we'd want them to do well, to have fun, enjoy their time and come back again. What's so wrong with welcoming one of the, if not the, fastest 250 rider in the world to a race and giving him some respect?
7/20/2014 11:27am
Not really a big fan of Herlings off-track, but after seeing him race at our local GP in Finland last weekend, for Unadilla i'm calling something from 10 to 30 second gap to second place. The kid is crazy fast. You gotta see it to understand it... The Fastest MX racer in the world at the moment IMO.
7/20/2014 12:14pm
Not really a big fan of Herlings off-track, but after seeing him race at our local GP in Finland last weekend, for Unadilla i'm calling something...
Not really a big fan of Herlings off-track, but after seeing him race at our local GP in Finland last weekend, for Unadilla i'm calling something from 10 to 30 second gap to second place. The kid is crazy fast. You gotta see it to understand it... The Fastest MX racer in the world at the moment IMO.
this is what the people who havent seen him ride dont understand!!!

regarding him off the track though- he's actually a really nice kid to speak to. He comes across as cocky/ arrogant in the media but if you spend any time talking to him he's a good kid.

theres going to be some humble pie eaten around this place on august 9th!
7/20/2014 12:20pm
jamma10 wrote:
What a horrible (and inevitable) thread.

You're not wrong there pal.

It's inevitable that regardless of how he does at Unadilla, you just know that it won't resolve the argument on here of how he matches up to the yanks.
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7/20/2014 12:20pm
pilotdude wrote:
Why don't you ask that question of Roczen, Musquin, and Pourcel? It seems to me they would know, as they have actually done it, and done...
Why don't you ask that question of Roczen, Musquin, and Pourcel? It seems to me they would know, as they have actually done it, and done it with cool, down-to-earth attitudes. Unlike Herlings and his zombies who seem to claim he is "on another level" from any other rider on the planet. Maybe even solar system, galaxy, or universe.
All of the foreign riders who have come over to race say the AMA series is the toughest in the world, why the GP fans would discount what guys like GL, DV, Roczen, Pourcel and Musquin actually know to be true, is beyond me
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7/20/2014 12:31pm
I honestly hope Herlings spanks everyone at Unadilla.
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7/20/2014 12:42pm
I hope Herlings gets his ass handed to him. I believe he'll probably win or be in the top 3.
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7/20/2014 1:17pm
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So you do genuinely believe that Herlings would get 'slapped around' if he came over there to race? The bloke who's pretty much universally accepted as...
So you do genuinely believe that Herlings would get 'slapped around' if he came over there to race?

The bloke who's pretty much universally accepted as the 2nd fastest in GP racing isn't much more than a 3 digit pro in the USA? Think about it, that's what you're saying.

And you're calling Herlings arrogant.

This is the bit I'm confused about. If any of your top US guys came to the GPs we'd want them to do well, to have fun, enjoy their time and come back again. What's so wrong with welcoming one of the, if not the, fastest 250 rider in the world to a race and giving him some respect?
Show me where ANYONE said that he "isn't much more than a 3 digit pro in the USA." Show me where anyone even insinuated such a thing. In, fact I believe what I said above is that he is similar to Roczen. But you just can't accept that if he or Cairoli came over here, neither of them would dominate the way they do there. You would rather put words in the mouths of others about put-downs they never made, while at the same time making wild claims of Herling's theoretical dominance that has never happened.
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I hope Herlings gets his ass handed to him. I believe he'll probably win or be in the top 3.
I hope he adapts to track well, and gets good starts. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if he spanked the homers. He reminds me a little of a young Bradshaw...I like him.
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7/21/2014 12:40am Edited Date/Time 7/21/2014 12:42am
Rumour has it their dumping very large amounts of sand at Unadilla this weekend Tongue Woohoo
7/21/2014 2:02am
Herlings will dominate as per usual and anyone who thinks Cairoli would beat him at lommel is crazy look at lap times from mxon he was running faster laptimes every lap through traffic
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He already made his mark though - unless lapping US 'stars' doesn't count 'cos it wasn't on their track. I'm genuinely surprised that all you Mexicans...
He already made his mark though - unless lapping US 'stars' doesn't count 'cos it wasn't on their track.

I'm genuinely surprised that all you Mexicans seem to dismiss him so easily.
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Herlings specialty is sand. Lomel is a sand track and an extreme one at that. GP fans constantly make that statement and pretty much everyone accepts...
Herlings specialty is sand. Lomel is a sand track and an extreme one at that. GP fans constantly make that statement and pretty much everyone accepts that it is true. That track is Cairoli's personal practice track. He moved just down the road so he could practice there A LOT. A track never seen before by any of the U.S. riders until a few days before that event. Do any of you GP fans have ANY idea how ridiculous it sounds when you try to slap down U.S. riders by using the "lapping" comment?

Do you have any idea how badly Herlings would fare if he came to A1 and tried to do the same? He would get lapped is what would happen, and not just by a couple guys. But Herlings doesn't ride supercross tracks, and he sure as hell doesn't ride them like the supercross riders do leading up to A1.

I think Herlings is in the same category as Roczen as in he is a very, very fast pro rider. No one can reasonably dispute that fact. I respect Roczen far more for a couple reasons, however. Roczen is more down to earth and is not on the same planet as Herlings in terms of arrogance. Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that after kicking ass over in the GPs, he came to the U.S. and got his ass kicked for a while. And if you were watching yesterday, you would see that Tomac still has his number when it comes to ass-kicking.

Herlings, on the other hand, sits in the MX2 class while Longo changes the rules to accommadate him, doesn't come do supercross the way Roczen did, and may quite possibly to be the most arrogant rider of all time who has never ridden a single moto in the U.S. or a single supercross main in his life. Yet some GP fans here treat him like the 2nd coming of Jesus H.Tapdancing Christ.

He may very well be, but he sure as HELL hasn't proven it to anyone yet through his actions. I respect Pourcel, Musquin, and Roczen far, far more because of their willingness to truly take on a new level of challenge, in a new place, with new (and more intense) competition, and their down-to-earth humble attitudes while doing so.

I'd like to see Longo's Golden Boy come over here and get slapped around for a full season of supercross and Nationals AND THEN see what his fucking attitude (and his fans attitude) is.
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Fucking perfectly said!!
This place gets so typical too often,we only have one way comparisons of top migrating riders to make,Roczen, Pourcel and Musquin,despite his injury woes have all done well over there which is testament to them,despite all the doubters

Forget SX,it's out the equation, it has nothing to do with anything GP,Unadilla,and totally wrong to make comparisons with when talking Herlings and Moto,although Lommel is an MX2 track,like Lierop,Valkensvaard and on the GP calendar,(Herlings doesn't practice there btw) any AMA rider would have to ride them IF the contested the series,just how they'd fare over a year in Europe is unknown the 2 MX series are so very different given the variables and both as tough

I'm sorry but any 250 rider over recent years would be "slapped around" by Herlings in a series over here,or would anyone deny that?

Herlings could well be the fastest in the World right now,without contesting a race over there,just like some AMA guys could be without riding anywhere outside their country

The fact that over last couple of years the US guys that have struggled in the MXdN,while with their own equipment, hefty entourage, ample time time to aclimatise,multiple practice sessions etc still goes unacknowledged by some who still claim those guys are the best,I don't doudt the talents of any of these top riders from either side,they're all going to be tougher to beat depending on where they race
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7/21/2014 4:35am
pilotdude wrote:
Why don't you ask that question of Roczen, Musquin, and Pourcel? It seems to me they would know, as they have actually done it, and done...
Why don't you ask that question of Roczen, Musquin, and Pourcel? It seems to me they would know, as they have actually done it, and done it with cool, down-to-earth attitudes. Unlike Herlings and his zombies who seem to claim he is "on another level" from any other rider on the planet. Maybe even solar system, galaxy, or universe.
machine wrote:
All of the foreign riders who have come over to race say the AMA series is the toughest in the world, why the GP fans would...
All of the foreign riders who have come over to race say the AMA series is the toughest in the world, why the GP fans would discount what guys like GL, DV, Roczen, Pourcel and Musquin actually know to be true, is beyond me
Yes it's tough as hell,and we shouldn't discount any of their views, it's even harder given that they're doing it in a foreign land,although those guys didn't race MX1, except Pourcel,It'd be interesting to hear their thoughts on doing a GP series, and someone like Dungey for example

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all irrelevant now anyway...

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