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Big Lenny 6/24/2014 12:18pm
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TripleFive wrote:
This literally took five seconds.

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Big Lenny wrote:
Looks like a paperwork issue to me, you act like it was the crime of the century...
Gringoe wrote:
If it was poto would you consider it a paperwork error? Laughing
If it was Poto, I'd let it play out like it should and if it was Poto I don't think Adderal would have been the case, if it was prescribed I'd be OK with it, you Cats can't think for yourselves so don't even try thinking for me...The most you'd probably gotten from me was an "I told you so" and leave it at that...
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2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
The fact is, its under the WADA list and nobody can do a thing about it, however there are other avenues that Feld and Promxsports could...
The fact is, its under the WADA list and nobody can do a thing about it, however there are other avenues that Feld and Promxsports could go through that have more leniency on these peds...however being that Fim is still part of our sport the Wada list will be as well.

I think what people are trying to say is that this particular ped is not an endurance/strength ped which we have all come to know as cheating drugs...it is very hard for most people (including myself) to classify this particular ped as a performance enhancer hence the non physically enhanced properties of the drug to ones body. This is more of a neutral drug. However to people that are not add/hd this drug basically is speed, but reacts differently in everyones body.
You see, I'm glad you bring up the "physical enhancer" thing. I have no problem that you or others find it hard to believe the there is also such a thing as a "mental enhancer", but believe me, there is. Some sports like Darts are filled with guys that take nootropics.

Iwreckalot, I am far from butthurt. Stewart will continue to take Adderall and be fine, just like thousands of other pro athletes are taking stuff with a doctor's prescription. Chris Froome has a TUE for a corticosteroid for asthma... Definitely not a PED. LOL.
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Big Lenny wrote:
Looks like a paperwork issue to me, you act like it was the crime of the century...
Gringoe wrote:
If it was poto would you consider it a paperwork error? Laughing
Big Lenny wrote:
If it was Poto, I'd let it play out like it should and if it was Poto I don't think Adderal would have been the case...
If it was Poto, I'd let it play out like it should and if it was Poto I don't think Adderal would have been the case, if it was prescribed I'd be OK with it, you Cats can't think for yourselves so don't even try thinking for me...The most you'd probably gotten from me was an "I told you so" and leave it at that...
Now why you gotta do that? You could have easily left out that part about it not being adderral but you just couldn't could you?
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IWreckALot wrote:
WTF? Are you saying that Adderal, that was prescribed to JS, and is legal if properly reported, has painted MX in the same light as Baseball...
WTF? Are you saying that Adderal, that was prescribed to JS, and is legal if properly reported, has painted MX in the same light as Baseball and cycling with regards to PED's? No, you're absolutely wrong. A paperwork step was missed. Intentional or unintentional doesn't matter. Let's say it was intentional, what difference did it make in his performance if he reported it or didn't report it. Nothing. If he reported it, he'd still be allowed to take it and would still gain whatever everyone thinks the advantage would be. No illegal steroids or doping evidence were reported in his sample.

The sport is still, as far as the general public is concerned, clean. And I believe RV and RD tested clean. So there is still as much proof as before that guys are taking illegal substances to gain an advantage.
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1. He tested positive for amphetamine. 2. It's banned 3. He didn't report it or get approval prior to the test Once you remove the emotion...
1. He tested positive for amphetamine.
2. It's banned
3. He didn't report it or get approval prior to the test

Once you remove the emotion, it's not a difficult case to reach a conclusion. People have been crying out for testing for years and finally someone gets caught and everyone goes crazy with excuses. I doubt he's the only one, but he's been caught. If they let him off then they may as well stop testing.

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I don't get the sense of everyone going crazy with excuses, rather, it seems to be the notion that the penalty should fit the level of...
I don't get the sense of everyone going crazy with excuses, rather, it seems to be the notion that the penalty should fit the level of the offense.
And theres been ZERO indication that it won't, just people flying off the handle blaming people for instituting testing. People need to relax.

All I hope for is a just penalty. I could care less if we don't have James racing in the future IF there's evidence that proves he took it for a performance gain and not a legitimate condition. If not, then he should still face a penalty for not following the rules that are necessary in sports today. I just hope it will be handled appropriately.

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Gringoe wrote:
If it was poto would you consider it a paperwork error? Laughing
Big Lenny wrote:
If it was Poto, I'd let it play out like it should and if it was Poto I don't think Adderal would have been the case...
If it was Poto, I'd let it play out like it should and if it was Poto I don't think Adderal would have been the case, if it was prescribed I'd be OK with it, you Cats can't think for yourselves so don't even try thinking for me...The most you'd probably gotten from me was an "I told you so" and leave it at that...
hvaughn88 wrote:
Now why you gotta do that? You could have easily left out that part about it not being adderral but you just couldn't could you?
Could've been anything, maybe he smoked a little weed, did you suspect James possibly having ADD or did you jump straight on the PED wagon?...
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2thefront 6/24/2014 12:27pm
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Ing wrote:
Everybody here seems to be on one of two sides. Very few posts I've read are neutral. Either you believe that this was simply a paper...
Everybody here seems to be on one of two sides. Very few posts I've read are neutral. Either you believe that this was simply a paper work oversight. (If so I have some lovely south FL. lots for sale, water front) Or, JS sought to subvert the rules.
IWreckALot wrote:
Agreed. My point is regardless of paperwork, he didn't gain an advantage that he would't have had if he had gone through the process. He went...
Agreed. My point is regardless of paperwork, he didn't gain an advantage that he would't have had if he had gone through the process. He went around the rules intentionally or ignorantly; it doesn't matter which. So a punishment shouldn't be levied the way a juicer or doper should be punished. A fine to address the process oversight is all that is necessary.
The process is there not just so they know who is taking it but to prove that you need to take it. IF he doesn't truly need it then he would have an advantage over if he would've gone through the process because he never would've been approved in the first place.
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Big Lenny 6/24/2014 12:27pm
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2thefront wrote:
And theres been ZERO indication that it won't, just people flying off the handle blaming people for instituting testing. People need to relax. All I hope...
And theres been ZERO indication that it won't, just people flying off the handle blaming people for instituting testing. People need to relax.

All I hope for is a just penalty. I could care less if we don't have James racing in the future IF there's evidence that proves he took it for a performance gain and not a legitimate condition. If not, then he should still face a penalty for not following the rules that are necessary in sports today. I just hope it will be handled appropriately.
Cat's kill me like they never broke a rule before,... "Rules are made to be broken"...
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hvaughn88 6/24/2014 12:35pm
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Big Lenny wrote:
Could've been anything, maybe he smoked a little weed, did you suspect James possibly having ADD or did you jump straight on the PED wagon?...
what the hell are you talking about? I have made it very clear in multiple posts on this matter that I would never suggest ANYTHING because I don't know. But you just go right ahead and keep making suggestions about what other riders are or aren't doing. You're like a skipping record, Lenny (since you like to use similes so much).
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Big Lenny 6/24/2014 12:52pm
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Big Lenny wrote:
Could've been anything, maybe he smoked a little weed, did you suspect James possibly having ADD or did you jump straight on the PED wagon?...
hvaughn88 wrote:
what the hell are you talking about? I have made it very clear in multiple posts on this matter that I would never suggest ANYTHING because...
what the hell are you talking about? I have made it very clear in multiple posts on this matter that I would never suggest ANYTHING because I don't know. But you just go right ahead and keep making suggestions about what other riders are or aren't doing. You're like a skipping record, Lenny (since you like to use similes so much).
You know what?..You Cats try too hard to figure me out that's your problem, everybody thinks they're an authority on me and what I'll think or what my next move will be when some of you can't even manage your own lives...I just post here like everybody else with an opinion...
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mt798 6/24/2014 1:03pm
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IceMan446 wrote:
Posted two hours ago. Here is the personal statement.
Posted two hours ago. Here is the personal statement.


That's all the personal statement I need right there! I hope Bubba is on the line Saturday.
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IWreckALot wrote:
Agreed. My point is regardless of paperwork, he didn't gain an advantage that he would't have had if he had gone through the process. He went...
Agreed. My point is regardless of paperwork, he didn't gain an advantage that he would't have had if he had gone through the process. He went around the rules intentionally or ignorantly; it doesn't matter which. So a punishment shouldn't be levied the way a juicer or doper should be punished. A fine to address the process oversight is all that is necessary.
You don't know that because you don't know what level of amphetamine was in his sample.
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The whole point (IMO) isn't if it was a performance enhancement or not. It was on the list. Period. Didn't have prior TUE. Period. If MXSports (or who ever runs things) lets this slide, why bother testing?
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Ing wrote:
The whole point (IMO) isn't if it was a performance enhancement or not. It was on the list. Period. Didn't have prior TUE. Period. If MXSports...
The whole point (IMO) isn't if it was a performance enhancement or not. It was on the list. Period. Didn't have prior TUE. Period. If MXSports (or who ever runs things) lets this slide, why bother testing?
I don't think it's up for debate whether it warrants a penalty. It surely does if they have any realistic chance of enforcing stuff in future. There is no published black and white penalty for matters like this though. It just say up to 2 years suspension. Obviously the result of the appeal and whether or not he qualifies for a TUE will be the determining factor.
StartedTooLate 6/24/2014 2:13pm
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When you are trying to make a case that will mitigate the severity of your penalty, the LAST thing you do is release info, or make statements to the public. That is a confrontational move in the eyes of the sanctioning body. If James makes a move like that, he is basically giving WADA The finger. There will be no statements or releases of information to people that do not matter (us...the fans...the "public") till the process is done and penalties are final. This is the way it is done.
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IWreckALot wrote:
Agreed. My point is regardless of paperwork, he didn't gain an advantage that he would't have had if he had gone through the process. He went...
Agreed. My point is regardless of paperwork, he didn't gain an advantage that he would't have had if he had gone through the process. He went around the rules intentionally or ignorantly; it doesn't matter which. So a punishment shouldn't be levied the way a juicer or doper should be punished. A fine to address the process oversight is all that is necessary.
smeg wrote:
You don't know that because you don't know what level of amphetamine was in his sample.
If the prescription is suspect and James does not have a genuine medical diagnosis, then you can conclude that he obtained the prescription to gain an advantage. In this case, he gets the full penalty.

If however, he is an irresponsible idiot, and COULD have obtained a TUE, but did not, then the penalty will be mitigated.

So just having a prescription does not mean much. It is the underlying medical and diagnostic history that will matter. The WADA TUE requires more than just a prescription from some quack doc.
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IWreckALot wrote:
Agreed. My point is regardless of paperwork, he didn't gain an advantage that he would't have had if he had gone through the process. He went...
Agreed. My point is regardless of paperwork, he didn't gain an advantage that he would't have had if he had gone through the process. He went around the rules intentionally or ignorantly; it doesn't matter which. So a punishment shouldn't be levied the way a juicer or doper should be punished. A fine to address the process oversight is all that is necessary.
smeg wrote:
You don't know that because you don't know what level of amphetamine was in his sample.
StartedTooLate wrote:
If the prescription is suspect and James does not have a genuine medical diagnosis, then you can conclude that he obtained the prescription to gain an...
If the prescription is suspect and James does not have a genuine medical diagnosis, then you can conclude that he obtained the prescription to gain an advantage. In this case, he gets the full penalty.

If however, he is an irresponsible idiot, and COULD have obtained a TUE, but did not, then the penalty will be mitigated.

So just having a prescription does not mean much. It is the underlying medical and diagnostic history that will matter. The WADA TUE requires more than just a prescription from some quack doc.
exactly.
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Mr. Knobby wrote:
He doesn't need to make a personal statement, all the real fans of motocross and supercross will make it for him: F all the haters, the...
He doesn't need to make a personal statement, all the real fans of motocross and supercross will make it for him:

F all the haters, the begrudgers and those who take pleasure in other people's downfall.

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Big Lenny wrote:
Could've been anything, maybe he smoked a little weed, did you suspect James possibly having ADD or did you jump straight on the PED wagon?...
hvaughn88 wrote:
what the hell are you talking about? I have made it very clear in multiple posts on this matter that I would never suggest ANYTHING because...
what the hell are you talking about? I have made it very clear in multiple posts on this matter that I would never suggest ANYTHING because I don't know. But you just go right ahead and keep making suggestions about what other riders are or aren't doing. You're like a skipping record, Lenny (since you like to use similes so much).
Big Lenny wrote:
You know what?..You Cats try too hard to figure me out that's your problem, everybody thinks they're an authority on me and what I'll think or...
You know what?..You Cats try too hard to figure me out that's your problem, everybody thinks they're an authority on me and what I'll think or what my next move will be when some of you can't even manage your own lives...I just post here like everybody else with an opinion...
Don't flatter yourself. You're not that hard to figure out.

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davistld01 6/24/2014 3:18pm
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Here's the dealio...IF this whole deal turns out to be a true "dropping of the ball" or "miscommunication" between Stewarts handlers and James...

...who will be willing to step forward and fall on the sword instead of James? I don't see any of his camp coming to his aid, taking any of the flak for him.
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FARANG wrote:
1. He tested positive for amphetamine. 2. It's banned 3. He didn't report it or get approval prior to the test Once you remove the emotion...
1. He tested positive for amphetamine.
2. It's banned
3. He didn't report it or get approval prior to the test

Once you remove the emotion, it's not a difficult case to reach a conclusion. People have been crying out for testing for years and finally someone gets caught and everyone goes crazy with excuses. I doubt he's the only one, but he's been caught. If they let him off then they may as well stop testing.

So, if one of those three is wrong, you change your mind? Or are you having the hanging before the trial?
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We know 1 and 2 are true.... that leaves 3 .

So assuming you are referring to 3, it doesn't matter right? What I mean is even if he reported it and even if he had prior approval(TUE) it's irrelevant because he failed the test. Assuming he had a TUE his levels must have been above the accepted levels for it to cause the "fail". Correct?
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davistld01 6/24/2014 3:44pm
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Edited: Stupid remark
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Xeno wrote:
Unfortunately, Bubba's in a no-win situation.
Im sure if James is allowed to race, thats a pretty big win!!!
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smeg wrote:
We know 1 and 2 are true.... that leaves 3 . So assuming you are referring to 3, it doesn't matter right? What I mean is...
We know 1 and 2 are true.... that leaves 3 .

So assuming you are referring to 3, it doesn't matter right? What I mean is even if he reported it and even if he had prior approval(TUE) it's irrelevant because he failed the test. Assuming he had a TUE his levels must have been above the accepted levels for it to cause the "fail". Correct?
You don't know anything yet outside of a urine test that has comeback positve. We dont even know if it was aderall or a generic version, NON OF us DO!

We are the small people in this even though its our money that cuts their paychecks, the behind the scenes parking lot is full and we will never be validated to park inside!

So enough with all these socalled facts~

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IceMan446 wrote:
Posted two hours ago. Here is the personal statement.
Posted two hours ago. Here is the personal statement.


Thats what Im talking about!
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smeg wrote:
We know 1 and 2 are true.... that leaves 3 . So assuming you are referring to 3, it doesn't matter right? What I mean is...
We know 1 and 2 are true.... that leaves 3 .

So assuming you are referring to 3, it doesn't matter right? What I mean is even if he reported it and even if he had prior approval(TUE) it's irrelevant because he failed the test. Assuming he had a TUE his levels must have been above the accepted levels for it to cause the "fail". Correct?
2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
You don't know anything yet outside of a urine test that has comeback positve. We dont even know if it was aderall or a generic version...
You don't know anything yet outside of a urine test that has comeback positve. We dont even know if it was aderall or a generic version, NON OF us DO!

We are the small people in this even though its our money that cuts their paychecks, the behind the scenes parking lot is full and we will never be validated to park inside!

So enough with all these socalled facts~

That's what I am doing dealing, with the facts.......

Fact... Amphetamines are a banned substance
Fact...Adderal is a banned substance
Fact...James Stewart came up positive on a WADA drug screen for amphetamines

None of these facts are disputed
doubleupnv 6/24/2014 4:23pm
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If I was James I wouldn't make a statement until a ruling was put in place.

There is no win in it for James to say anything now other than to make some people on a message board feel better about things.

I am sure that James has some people around him that are advising him of the scenarios that may play out and how to react to each one accordingly. There is more here for James to lose than just a few races. If he gets suspended for a season it would be brutal on the brand that he just unleashed not too long ago.

I am sure we will see a statement from James about this when the time is right.
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Big Lenny wrote:
Looks like a paperwork issue to me, you act like it was the crime of the century...
Gringoe wrote:
If it was poto would you consider it a paperwork error? Laughing
Big Lenny wrote:
If it was Poto, I'd let it play out like it should and if it was Poto I don't think Adderal would have been the case...
If it was Poto, I'd let it play out like it should and if it was Poto I don't think Adderal would have been the case, if it was prescribed I'd be OK with it, you Cats can't think for yourselves so don't even try thinking for me...The most you'd probably gotten from me was an "I told you so" and leave it at that...
Dude. I asked you if poto made the same mistake would you consider it a paper work error. And you're response is basically poto wouldn't take adderal because he's to busy blood doping. You act like you're hard to understand or something...
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doubleupnv wrote:
If I was James I wouldn't make a statement until a ruling was put in place. There is no win in it for James to say...
If I was James I wouldn't make a statement until a ruling was put in place.

There is no win in it for James to say anything now other than to make some people on a message board feel better about things.

I am sure that James has some people around him that are advising him of the scenarios that may play out and how to react to each one accordingly. There is more here for James to lose than just a few races. If he gets suspended for a season it would be brutal on the brand that he just unleashed not too long ago.

I am sure we will see a statement from James about this when the time is right.
Kinda like the people around him, filing the correct paperwork, lol.
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an addiction medicine specialist would say that any adult taking ADHD medicine is just an addict. There is absolutely no reason for an adult to be on adderall.

I am not saying anything about James, I'm sure that he was just doing what his doctor recommended he do, but whatever doctor has him on ADHD meds is lazy and uninformed. Doctors these days just hand out scrip after scrip in an effort to just push the patients out the door, and never really do any work- or, god for bid, tell a patient they can't really help them- which is often times the case. It's just too bad doctors have bought into the instant relief (instant gratification) kind of culture we live in.

NOT EVERYONE CAN BE CURED OF EVERY FREAKIN AILMENT THEY MAY EXPERIENCE in their lives. These fuckin doctors need to relay that to their patients instead of just cramming scrips down their throat.

I will say that if James is guilty, in the end, then its his problem, regardless of anything. Naivete is not an excuse for anything. I'm not saying one way or the other that he was cheating, I'm just saying if you don't follow the "rules", then there are consequences. Period. No ifs, ands, or butts. Hes a god damn adult and no one else is responsible for his actions. No one.

with that said, I personally hope this all just goes in favor of James, because I like James...yes...but also because I don't want to think a guy as talented as James feels like he needs to erk out some tiny advantage (if there even is one) by doing something like not divulging his TUE.

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