Tony's latest meltdown

6/23/2014 12:17pm
What the twitter posts didn't capture is Steve's request prior to the event for an interview and write up for racerxll.

The interview approval should have been worked out prior to the event and mutually agreed on before Steve's visit to the pits. I thought Steve was at the pits to ask mike how he feels how is the bike working how's the track etc so I thought a contract was alittle too much for such an interview.

The real story he was trying to get needs agreement verbally or written because there is a real story behind why they are in Canada. Seems fishy the interview was for racerxll yet Steve said he spent his own money to travel so it may not a business trip.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong but that how I see it at this point.
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6/23/2014 12:21pm
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I was in the hot tub/spa business for 25 years. There Are much better covers out there. The best in my opinion.
http://spasealcovers.com
Glad to see you got out of it before it made you as crazy as some others connected to that business. Laughing
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6/23/2014 12:22pm
Let us know when he makes a report on actual MX news or events. Cause this ain't it. Riling Tony up for page clicks is exactly...
Let us know when he makes a report on actual MX news or events.

Cause this ain't it.

Riling Tony up for page clicks is exactly what KennyT is saying it is. Its not news. Its going after low hanging fruit.

Any formal training in journalism would tell you that objectivity is priority uno. Lose that and ur not a journalist anymore. Matthews has shown time and time again his penchant for agendas with riders. How anyone can take it seriously is beyond me.

But that is how low the bar is set in this sport. If any of this sports media actually dug deep and reported its dark secrets then they'd be shunned, likely fired, and most likely bashed by most fans for spitting the truth. Ultimately we as fans are to blame. We dont want the truth. And so this TMZ type bullshit is instead considered "insider info".
This is very accurate.

A true journalist makes every effort to avoid becoming the news they're reporting on. The moment they become involved in the story they lose their ability to appear neutral and report without any apparent bias.

Of course, there are no real journalists covering this sport anyhow. There's some very good writers and excellent photographers, but nobody who treats the sport as being actually "newsworthy". Actually going after stories that the industry hasn't already greenlighted for them without fear of repercussion.
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6/23/2014 12:23pm
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I was in the hot tub/spa business for 25 years. There Are much better covers out there. The best in my opinion.
http://spasealcovers.com
Mr Bean wrote:
Glad to see you got out of it before it made you as crazy as some others connected to that business. Laughing
LOL I'm pretty crazy but not quite TA crazy.

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6/23/2014 12:34pm
What the twitter posts didn't capture is Steve's request prior to the event for an interview and write up for racerxll. The interview approval should have...
What the twitter posts didn't capture is Steve's request prior to the event for an interview and write up for racerxll.

The interview approval should have been worked out prior to the event and mutually agreed on before Steve's visit to the pits. I thought Steve was at the pits to ask mike how he feels how is the bike working how's the track etc so I thought a contract was alittle too much for such an interview.

The real story he was trying to get needs agreement verbally or written because there is a real story behind why they are in Canada. Seems fishy the interview was for racerxll yet Steve said he spent his own money to travel so it may not a business trip.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong but that how I see it at this point.
Steve is not an employee of Racerx. He is a contractor. To be fair, Steve spends his own personal money to go to all the events he attends. What he bills his clients, in a perfect world, would be enough to cover all his travel costs and then make him enough coin to keep Pookie happy with the latest Louis Vuitton bag.

What I would guess is that the interest in Canadian MX is so minimal that any story he is able to sell doesn't cover his expenses. His interest in going is just as much as personal as it is professional is also a theory of mine. Therefore, he is outta pocket for this particular event. How much outta pocket is up for debate. His trips to SX, MX, GPs, and MXDN are sought after enough he is able to profit from his "observations".

The fact that Tony would be such a douche towards Steve when he is the one and only US "journalist" to take the time to travel to Canada to write a story on the series and the Motoconcepts team just amazes me. Steve continually gave the Alessi family (over the past few years) and the team the exposure they are so butt hurt about not getting but then treat him like a jerk.


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You know some people have so much money that they can piss it away traveling the world with semi trucks and MX riders. Just a guess...
You know some people have so much money that they can piss it away traveling the world with semi trucks and MX riders. Just a guess, but I have a feeling that Genova could give a rats ass if he ever sells a hot tub cover to the "Moto market"

It is such a minute fraction of their sales that I would guess no amount of Tonys antics will affect how Genova lives.

In regards to cycle parts. The only people that have any idea what has gone on with Alessi are the hardcore fans. I probably have 50 acquaintances that r into Moto.....maybe one or two of them heard of this latest Tony tirade. Pulp show, message boards etc...the majority of parts/bike sale customers have no idea these places exist

It's pretty obvious Genova does not let the TMZ drama affect his decisions, because it has zero effect on his bottom line. He probably sits at home laughing at this crap just like I do
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Following this logic, it makes one wonder about the marketing benefit of owning a race team.
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Not trying to be a smartness here, just curious. Do you think there are any investors in a full schedule SX/MX venture that actually make any money? I would think it is purely a way for people like Genova to get up close access to a sport they would normally have to watch from the sidelines
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6/23/2014 12:42pm
I don't normally post on here, but there are a few people on this thread that are lying to themselves. Anyone who is getting pissed because this is "too tabloid" are insane. The only reason you come on this forum is to get the shit that they won't put in magazines. We come here so we don't have settle for BNGs, we want more. I'm not going to blow Matthes, but i'm glad he is around. His shows are informative, funny and the few riders that won't go on his show wouldn't be interesting to listen to anyway, maybe excluding Josh Grant.
I just don't understand why anyone would run to the side of Tony Alessi when pulls crap like this. If The Man was standing outside of the KTM rig shouting obscenities at someone, vital would explode, and all the media outlets that cover moto would write something about it. For some reason, there are folks out there that believe that Tony should get a free pass. I don't buy the dad standing up for his kids crap either, they are adults. Tony does this to himself, and if you don't see this as hilarious, no one can help you.
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6/23/2014 12:51pm
cjliebe wrote:
I don't normally post on here, but there are a few people on this thread that are lying to themselves. Anyone who is getting pissed because...
I don't normally post on here, but there are a few people on this thread that are lying to themselves. Anyone who is getting pissed because this is "too tabloid" are insane. The only reason you come on this forum is to get the shit that they won't put in magazines. We come here so we don't have settle for BNGs, we want more. I'm not going to blow Matthes, but i'm glad he is around. His shows are informative, funny and the few riders that won't go on his show wouldn't be interesting to listen to anyway, maybe excluding Josh Grant.
I just don't understand why anyone would run to the side of Tony Alessi when pulls crap like this. If The Man was standing outside of the KTM rig shouting obscenities at someone, vital would explode, and all the media outlets that cover moto would write something about it. For some reason, there are folks out there that believe that Tony should get a free pass. I don't buy the dad standing up for his kids crap either, they are adults. Tony does this to himself, and if you don't see this as hilarious, no one can help you.
ding ding ding... winner in my book... my thoughts exactly.!
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If Gibby wanted to interview Dungey after a race - would RD hand him a 'contract' like that to sign first?

If he did - would Gibby stuff it in his pocket and tell RD 'I have to tweet this'?

If he did - what would the reaction be?
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6/23/2014 1:02pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 1:03pm
ns503 wrote:
If Gibby wanted to interview Dungey after a race - would RD hand him a 'contract' like that to sign first? If he did - would...
If Gibby wanted to interview Dungey after a race - would RD hand him a 'contract' like that to sign first?

If he did - would Gibby stuff it in his pocket and tell RD 'I have to tweet this'?

If he did - what would the reaction be?
Well Gibby???? Would u have twitted?

I am guessing you would have taken the high road....but then again I did see u on here with a shiner from racing RC cars so maybe I'm wrong Smile
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6/23/2014 1:05pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 1:06pm
Let us know when he makes a report on actual MX news or events. Cause this ain't it. Riling Tony up for page clicks is exactly...
Let us know when he makes a report on actual MX news or events.

Cause this ain't it.

Riling Tony up for page clicks is exactly what KennyT is saying it is. Its not news. Its going after low hanging fruit.

Any formal training in journalism would tell you that objectivity is priority uno. Lose that and ur not a journalist anymore. Matthews has shown time and time again his penchant for agendas with riders. How anyone can take it seriously is beyond me.

But that is how low the bar is set in this sport. If any of this sports media actually dug deep and reported its dark secrets then they'd be shunned, likely fired, and most likely bashed by most fans for spitting the truth. Ultimately we as fans are to blame. We dont want the truth. And so this TMZ type bullshit is instead considered "insider info".
You clearly don't like me so I doubt anything I say will actually change your mind but here goes...

What page clicks exactly was I going for? It was on my personal Twitter account which is basically for myself to express my thoughts on racing, hockey or Sammy Hagar.

Can you please point out any agendas I have for any riders, never mind the MCR guys? I hear this from people on this board but they never, ever can present anything to prove this? When a rider rides well, I say it. When he doesn't, I say that also. Any opinion's I have on subjects in the industry are just that, opinions. Editorial that is very common in print by "real" journalists.

I do some race reports now and then for RXI or TWMX back in the day and those are written free of opinions or judgements--because they are a race report.

Anyways, you were wrong on the page click thing and I'll wait here for the "agendas" I have on riders.

Upon presenting me with this BS contract and me declining to sign it the story would be ended. Tony chose to escalate it in a very unprofessional manner (and frankly would have gotten him punched out by some other people in day to day life) and was out of line. No one deserves to get treated like I did when I said I wasn't signing it and again, I feel like by calling him out maybe he thinks for a second the next time (cause there will be a next time) and doesn't act like an idiot. And maybe I save him from being punched out by someone who's less calm than myself.

By the way, there's no pulpmx show tonight and there was never going to be one. So I guess if I was doing this for "the show" or whatever, that theory is out the window now.

Next?
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Tony will never change, he'll always be an ass. If he hasn't figured it out now, he never will, passionate about the sport, or otherwise. He only embarrasses himself, Mike and casts MCR in a poor light. Then again, Billy Martin seemed quite popular in his day, didn't he?
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Let us know when he makes a report on actual MX news or events. Cause this ain't it. Riling Tony up for page clicks is exactly...
Let us know when he makes a report on actual MX news or events.

Cause this ain't it.

Riling Tony up for page clicks is exactly what KennyT is saying it is. Its not news. Its going after low hanging fruit.

Any formal training in journalism would tell you that objectivity is priority uno. Lose that and ur not a journalist anymore. Matthews has shown time and time again his penchant for agendas with riders. How anyone can take it seriously is beyond me.

But that is how low the bar is set in this sport. If any of this sports media actually dug deep and reported its dark secrets then they'd be shunned, likely fired, and most likely bashed by most fans for spitting the truth. Ultimately we as fans are to blame. We dont want the truth. And so this TMZ type bullshit is instead considered "insider info".
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You clearly don't like me so I doubt anything I say will actually change your mind but here goes... What page clicks exactly was I going...
You clearly don't like me so I doubt anything I say will actually change your mind but here goes...

What page clicks exactly was I going for? It was on my personal Twitter account which is basically for myself to express my thoughts on racing, hockey or Sammy Hagar.

Can you please point out any agendas I have for any riders, never mind the MCR guys? I hear this from people on this board but they never, ever can present anything to prove this? When a rider rides well, I say it. When he doesn't, I say that also. Any opinion's I have on subjects in the industry are just that, opinions. Editorial that is very common in print by "real" journalists.

I do some race reports now and then for RXI or TWMX back in the day and those are written free of opinions or judgements--because they are a race report.

Anyways, you were wrong on the page click thing and I'll wait here for the "agendas" I have on riders.

Upon presenting me with this BS contract and me declining to sign it the story would be ended. Tony chose to escalate it in a very unprofessional manner (and frankly would have gotten him punched out by some other people in day to day life) and was out of line. No one deserves to get treated like I did when I said I wasn't signing it and again, I feel like by calling him out maybe he thinks for a second the next time (cause there will be a next time) and doesn't act like an idiot. And maybe I save him from being punched out by someone who's less calm than myself.

By the way, there's no pulpmx show tonight and there was never going to be one. So I guess if I was doing this for "the show" or whatever, that theory is out the window now.

Next?
Just a quick question.

If you were able to back up in time and you had a chance, do you wish you had opted for the punch?

I like you Mathis...Mathess....Mathises....but this to me was a little too TMZish. Kinda worked out like you intended it to, as a way to get back at someone who went off on you. Let's be truthful, you knew your personal twitter tweet would make it all over Moto land because we r who follows you.

You and Tony should kiss n make up, you both need each other
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6/23/2014 1:16pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 1:18pm
ns503 wrote:
If Gibby wanted to interview Dungey after a race - would RD hand him a 'contract' like that to sign first? If he did - would...
If Gibby wanted to interview Dungey after a race - would RD hand him a 'contract' like that to sign first?

If he did - would Gibby stuff it in his pocket and tell RD 'I have to tweet this'?

If he did - what would the reaction be?
c'mon really? apples and oranges for starters. for 1) dungey and his crew are not a shit show. 2) his crew wouldn't even do it. 3) go back to thinking up better analogies that actually work...because using GuyB and Decoster to draw from to make your point is kinda insulting to them.


and if Roger chased steve through the pits yelling at him and trying to start a fight...i'm pretty sure it would make every mx rag out there. The fact this one isn't all over the other sites is it WAS in Canada and it WAS Tony Alessi.
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ns503 wrote:
If Gibby wanted to interview Dungey after a race - would RD hand him a 'contract' like that to sign first? If he did - would...
If Gibby wanted to interview Dungey after a race - would RD hand him a 'contract' like that to sign first?

If he did - would Gibby stuff it in his pocket and tell RD 'I have to tweet this'?

If he did - what would the reaction be?
Would RD hand him a contract... Dungey, RD, KTM. prob not. If he did, would Gibby "tweet this"? Well, post another question. If Gibby tried to walk away, was called a POS mutha f**ker, nobody in the industry likes you, you're a disgrace etc etc, would Gibby tweet this? Or, if Gibby was asked nicely to let this be, keep it professional, I appreciated your past efforts with our team etc etc................"what would the reaction be?" See the difference? You respect me, I respect you.....you fuck me, I fuck you, how is this any different. People act like Tony rolled out a red carpet, fed Matthes frozen grapes and fanned him with mist water and then Matthes fucked him over by tweeting bullshit. Tony ordered a XL order of humble pie, Matthes delievered. WTF
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"By the way, there's no pulpmx show tonight and there was never going to be one."

I don't think its fair that just because there was no race this weekend, that there isn't going to be a show. I still have an hour commute to deal with. I buy crap from amazon from your site, so the least you can do is hold up your end of the deal.
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Let us know when he makes a report on actual MX news or events. Cause this ain't it. Riling Tony up for page clicks is exactly...
Let us know when he makes a report on actual MX news or events.

Cause this ain't it.

Riling Tony up for page clicks is exactly what KennyT is saying it is. Its not news. Its going after low hanging fruit.

Any formal training in journalism would tell you that objectivity is priority uno. Lose that and ur not a journalist anymore. Matthews has shown time and time again his penchant for agendas with riders. How anyone can take it seriously is beyond me.

But that is how low the bar is set in this sport. If any of this sports media actually dug deep and reported its dark secrets then they'd be shunned, likely fired, and most likely bashed by most fans for spitting the truth. Ultimately we as fans are to blame. We dont want the truth. And so this TMZ type bullshit is instead considered "insider info".
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You clearly don't like me so I doubt anything I say will actually change your mind but here goes... What page clicks exactly was I going...
You clearly don't like me so I doubt anything I say will actually change your mind but here goes...

What page clicks exactly was I going for? It was on my personal Twitter account which is basically for myself to express my thoughts on racing, hockey or Sammy Hagar.

Can you please point out any agendas I have for any riders, never mind the MCR guys? I hear this from people on this board but they never, ever can present anything to prove this? When a rider rides well, I say it. When he doesn't, I say that also. Any opinion's I have on subjects in the industry are just that, opinions. Editorial that is very common in print by "real" journalists.

I do some race reports now and then for RXI or TWMX back in the day and those are written free of opinions or judgements--because they are a race report.

Anyways, you were wrong on the page click thing and I'll wait here for the "agendas" I have on riders.

Upon presenting me with this BS contract and me declining to sign it the story would be ended. Tony chose to escalate it in a very unprofessional manner (and frankly would have gotten him punched out by some other people in day to day life) and was out of line. No one deserves to get treated like I did when I said I wasn't signing it and again, I feel like by calling him out maybe he thinks for a second the next time (cause there will be a next time) and doesn't act like an idiot. And maybe I save him from being punched out by someone who's less calm than myself.

By the way, there's no pulpmx show tonight and there was never going to be one. So I guess if I was doing this for "the show" or whatever, that theory is out the window now.

Next?
The only "clicks" Steve created by doing this is on Vital. Perhaps Guyb could throw him a few bucks for all the fodder. Steve certainly didn't gain anything by doing this other than a bunch of grief.

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6/23/2014 1:29pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 1:32pm
Let us know when he makes a report on actual MX news or events. Cause this ain't it. Riling Tony up for page clicks is exactly...
Let us know when he makes a report on actual MX news or events.

Cause this ain't it.

Riling Tony up for page clicks is exactly what KennyT is saying it is. Its not news. Its going after low hanging fruit.

Any formal training in journalism would tell you that objectivity is priority uno. Lose that and ur not a journalist anymore. Matthews has shown time and time again his penchant for agendas with riders. How anyone can take it seriously is beyond me.

But that is how low the bar is set in this sport. If any of this sports media actually dug deep and reported its dark secrets then they'd be shunned, likely fired, and most likely bashed by most fans for spitting the truth. Ultimately we as fans are to blame. We dont want the truth. And so this TMZ type bullshit is instead considered "insider info".
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You clearly don't like me so I doubt anything I say will actually change your mind but here goes... What page clicks exactly was I going...
You clearly don't like me so I doubt anything I say will actually change your mind but here goes...

What page clicks exactly was I going for? It was on my personal Twitter account which is basically for myself to express my thoughts on racing, hockey or Sammy Hagar.

Can you please point out any agendas I have for any riders, never mind the MCR guys? I hear this from people on this board but they never, ever can present anything to prove this? When a rider rides well, I say it. When he doesn't, I say that also. Any opinion's I have on subjects in the industry are just that, opinions. Editorial that is very common in print by "real" journalists.

I do some race reports now and then for RXI or TWMX back in the day and those are written free of opinions or judgements--because they are a race report.

Anyways, you were wrong on the page click thing and I'll wait here for the "agendas" I have on riders.

Upon presenting me with this BS contract and me declining to sign it the story would be ended. Tony chose to escalate it in a very unprofessional manner (and frankly would have gotten him punched out by some other people in day to day life) and was out of line. No one deserves to get treated like I did when I said I wasn't signing it and again, I feel like by calling him out maybe he thinks for a second the next time (cause there will be a next time) and doesn't act like an idiot. And maybe I save him from being punched out by someone who's less calm than myself.

By the way, there's no pulpmx show tonight and there was never going to be one. So I guess if I was doing this for "the show" or whatever, that theory is out the window now.

Next?
Declining to sign it wasn't what set Tony off. Save me the BS. Things escalated when you refused to give it back. If you weren't looking to rattle his cage, u give it back and walk away. Stop playing innocent, nobody is giving Tony a pass either. It takes 2 to tango.

Dont make this a u versus me thing. I'm not Tony. There won't be a insane reaction. Ive simply called it as it is. When people on this board refer to u as a "journalist" I cringe.

You want proof of how riders feel about ur schtick? I couldn't possibly provide any proof on a message board. All I know is how mechanics and riders have reacted when ur name was brought up or as you strolled by a team rig. Not my opinion. This is the opinion of others ive been in the presence of. And it was common enough to be a trend. And likely you could care less because as you've stated, its been brought to your attention ad nauseum on this board yet you continue on.
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ns503 wrote:
If Gibby wanted to interview Dungey after a race - would RD hand him a 'contract' like that to sign first? If he did - would...
If Gibby wanted to interview Dungey after a race - would RD hand him a 'contract' like that to sign first?

If he did - would Gibby stuff it in his pocket and tell RD 'I have to tweet this'?

If he did - what would the reaction be?
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Would RD hand him a contract... Dungey, RD, KTM. prob not. If he did, would Gibby "tweet this"? Well, post another question. If Gibby tried to...
Would RD hand him a contract... Dungey, RD, KTM. prob not. If he did, would Gibby "tweet this"? Well, post another question. If Gibby tried to walk away, was called a POS mutha f**ker, nobody in the industry likes you, you're a disgrace etc etc, would Gibby tweet this? Or, if Gibby was asked nicely to let this be, keep it professional, I appreciated your past efforts with our team etc etc................"what would the reaction be?" See the difference? You respect me, I respect you.....you fuck me, I fuck you, how is this any different. People act like Tony rolled out a red carpet, fed Matthes frozen grapes and fanned him with mist water and then Matthes fucked him over by tweeting bullshit. Tony ordered a XL order of humble pie, Matthes delievered. WTF
Looking waaayyy back on page 1 - seems like the meltdown went full gonzo immediately after the mention of tweeting.
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Declining to sign it wasn't what set Tony off. Save me the BS. Things escalated when you refused to give it back. If you weren't looking...
Declining to sign it wasn't what set Tony off. Save me the BS. Things escalated when you refused to give it back. If you weren't looking to rattle his cage, u give it back and walk away. Stop playing innocent, nobody is giving Tony a pass either. It takes 2 to tango.

Dont make this a u versus me thing. I'm not Tony. There won't be a insane reaction. Ive simply called it as it is. When people on this board refer to u as a "journalist" I cringe.

You want proof of how riders feel about ur schtick? I couldn't possibly provide any proof on a message board. All I know is how mechanics and riders have reacted when ur name was brought up or as you strolled by a team rig. Not my opinion. This is the opinion of others ive been in the presence of. And it was common enough to be a trend. And likely you could care less because as you've stated, its been brought to your attention ad nauseum on this board yet you continue on.
No apologies on being wrong about "getting clicks"?

If this contract was on the up and up and for real then I would hope that no one at MCR minded if I had a copy for my records or had someone smarter than me to review it. Therefore I took it. The terms of me not leaving with it were not expressed to me until I said the above.

Thanks for the proof I was asking for, you sure delivered. Unsure
6/23/2014 1:56pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 2:10pm
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No apologies on being wrong about "getting clicks"? If this contract was on the up and up and for real then I would hope that no...
No apologies on being wrong about "getting clicks"?

If this contract was on the up and up and for real then I would hope that no one at MCR minded if I had a copy for my records or had someone smarter than me to review it. Therefore I took it. The terms of me not leaving with it were not expressed to me until I said the above.

Thanks for the proof I was asking for, you sure delivered. Unsure
Again, spare us the BS. Its so transparent.

U didn't need anyone to review that chicken scratch "contract". U had no intentions of ever signing it. And u certainly didn't need a lawyer to understand the terms of that " contract". The only thing that could have made that "contract" any funnier is if it would have been written in crayon.

U were looking for drama, plain & simple. Otherwise u take the high road, give the contract back, and go have a laugh about it without all the extra stupid shit.

Despite the pot shots, a lot of people in the industry have taken the high road with u matthes. U may not care. Or u likely are too caught up in yourself to realize it. But stones/glass houses and some cliches like that would serve you well.
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You know some people have so much money that they can piss it away traveling the world with semi trucks and MX riders. Just a guess...
You know some people have so much money that they can piss it away traveling the world with semi trucks and MX riders. Just a guess, but I have a feeling that Genova could give a rats ass if he ever sells a hot tub cover to the "Moto market"

It is such a minute fraction of their sales that I would guess no amount of Tonys antics will affect how Genova lives.

In regards to cycle parts. The only people that have any idea what has gone on with Alessi are the hardcore fans. I probably have 50 acquaintances that r into Moto.....maybe one or two of them heard of this latest Tony tirade. Pulp show, message boards etc...the majority of parts/bike sale customers have no idea these places exist

It's pretty obvious Genova does not let the TMZ drama affect his decisions, because it has zero effect on his bottom line. He probably sits at home laughing at this crap just like I do
dkg wrote:
Following this logic, it makes one wonder about the marketing benefit of owning a race team.
KennyT wrote:
DKG Not trying to be a smartness here, just curious. Do you think there are any investors in a full schedule SX/MX venture that actually make...
DKG
Not trying to be a smartness here, just curious. Do you think there are any investors in a full schedule SX/MX venture that actually make any money? I would think it is purely a way for people like Genova to get up close access to a sport they would normally have to watch from the sidelines
KennyT

I suspect that there are some that realize a return on investment. Most likely they are either in the Motorcycle, Fuels or Energy drink businesses and even for them, I suspect that it would be difficult to precisely correlate the investment to the return. If nothing more, it may come down to simple name recognition. I don't see Hot-Tub covers fitting this model.

As for MCR/Genova I'll throw a few opinions out there. I doubt that he does this solely as a serious marketing effort and to that extent I agree with you. Even at the MCR pits, the covers seem to be there more out of a tax deduction necessity than any real effort to market them. He probably does it because he loves the sport and enjoys being involved. As for his involvement with Team Alessi, Mike is a great rider and whether or not any one wants to admit it, Tony has accomplished things getting his kids to the level they have reached. Outside of that, Tony seems to have his difficulties keeping his common sense. emotions and sense of paranoia in check. (Doesn't he realize that most people, including Matthes, would much rather see Mike, Jeff, and MCR succeed?) So I can only speculate here, but I suspect that Genova/MCR deal with Team Alessi as Mike is the best rider in the budget and Tony when he is not acting crazy does a good job as manager, He puts up with the nonsense because of Mike's abilities and lets face it, most people like to support the underdog.

DKG

p.s. My comment wasn't intended to question the validity of your post, I should have not limited my comment to marketing benefit but to the more interesting question of why does Genova throw away a chunk of change on a race team.
6/23/2014 2:19pm
Matthes wrote:
I'm Canadian, I go to a race or two almost every year. Because I enjoy it, it costs me money out of my pocket to go...
I'm Canadian, I go to a race or two almost every year. Because I enjoy it, it costs me money out of my pocket to go but I usually enjoy it. This trip, because of the horrendous conditions, not so much.
Steve, I pay money out of my pocket too. Track conditions up there did look bad. I guess I just don't twitter because someone tells me...
Steve, I pay money out of my pocket too. Track conditions up there did look bad. I guess I just don't twitter because someone tells me to go fuck myself. Tony's hand written "contract" appears that it is targeted towards you. Maybe you didn't take it that way. I don't know if I would have been "shocked" by his comments towards you. You won the war when you kept the piece of paper and I would have kept it too. If your goal was to additionally embarrass him I am sure this goal was reached too. I believe the Alessi's are racing the Canadian Nationals to avoid bad publicity and writing stories about the actions of Tony is good fodder. Maybe Tony deserves this negative publicity. Maybe it didn't need to be reported at all. That's your right. Unfortunately, it also falls on Mike Alessi.....Putting your incident with Tony aside, how was Mike riding considering the conditions?
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I see it as tony instigating mathes with a chicken scratch amateur looking contract to push steves buttons.why else would he yell out "your not protected...
I see it as tony instigating mathes with a chicken scratch amateur looking contract to push steves buttons.why else would he yell out "your not protected here" or something to that affect.
its tony.
would or has mike ever said to any reporter including steve,"as long as my dad said its ok,i can give you an interview".
vf got fucked out an interview.thank you puppet master tony.
I see it as Mike racing the Canadian Nationals....He could use some positive public relations but he doesn't need it either. The idea that something is just put on "clitter" as random feelings and that it just wasn't possible to predict the snowball effect isn't believable. Steve had fun with it. I'm sure his feeling weren't hurt and "clitter" allows him to still poke at Tony from a distance. Steve is hands down the winner.
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6/23/2014 3:06pm
Declining to sign it wasn't what set Tony off. Save me the BS. Things escalated when you refused to give it back. If you weren't looking...
Declining to sign it wasn't what set Tony off. Save me the BS. Things escalated when you refused to give it back. If you weren't looking to rattle his cage, u give it back and walk away. Stop playing innocent, nobody is giving Tony a pass either. It takes 2 to tango.

Dont make this a u versus me thing. I'm not Tony. There won't be a insane reaction. Ive simply called it as it is. When people on this board refer to u as a "journalist" I cringe.

You want proof of how riders feel about ur schtick? I couldn't possibly provide any proof on a message board. All I know is how mechanics and riders have reacted when ur name was brought up or as you strolled by a team rig. Not my opinion. This is the opinion of others ive been in the presence of. And it was common enough to be a trend. And likely you could care less because as you've stated, its been brought to your attention ad nauseum on this board yet you continue on.
Matthes wrote:
No apologies on being wrong about "getting clicks"? If this contract was on the up and up and for real then I would hope that no...
No apologies on being wrong about "getting clicks"?

If this contract was on the up and up and for real then I would hope that no one at MCR minded if I had a copy for my records or had someone smarter than me to review it. Therefore I took it. The terms of me not leaving with it were not expressed to me until I said the above.

Thanks for the proof I was asking for, you sure delivered. Unsure
Jabroni', you're an idiot if you honestly think any of what you have said. A team manager gives you a chicken scratch bs "contract" and knowing you won't sign it, you give it back? You're fucking high. You hate "Mathis" that's easy to see. But use your brain. Yea matthes is using actual evidence to show how insane that family is. You just look thick thinking the person reported it, is at fault.

And by the way. It YOU NOT u. Are you 16?
6/23/2014 3:42pm
The amount of vitriol and schadenfreude displayed by some of the posters here toward people actually involved on the industry is ridiculous.
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6/23/2014 3:48pm
dkg wrote:
Following this logic, it makes one wonder about the marketing benefit of owning a race team.
KennyT wrote:
DKG Not trying to be a smartness here, just curious. Do you think there are any investors in a full schedule SX/MX venture that actually make...
DKG
Not trying to be a smartness here, just curious. Do you think there are any investors in a full schedule SX/MX venture that actually make any money? I would think it is purely a way for people like Genova to get up close access to a sport they would normally have to watch from the sidelines
dkg wrote:
KennyT I suspect that there are some that realize a return on investment. Most likely they are either in the Motorcycle, Fuels or Energy drink businesses...
KennyT

I suspect that there are some that realize a return on investment. Most likely they are either in the Motorcycle, Fuels or Energy drink businesses and even for them, I suspect that it would be difficult to precisely correlate the investment to the return. If nothing more, it may come down to simple name recognition. I don't see Hot-Tub covers fitting this model.

As for MCR/Genova I'll throw a few opinions out there. I doubt that he does this solely as a serious marketing effort and to that extent I agree with you. Even at the MCR pits, the covers seem to be there more out of a tax deduction necessity than any real effort to market them. He probably does it because he loves the sport and enjoys being involved. As for his involvement with Team Alessi, Mike is a great rider and whether or not any one wants to admit it, Tony has accomplished things getting his kids to the level they have reached. Outside of that, Tony seems to have his difficulties keeping his common sense. emotions and sense of paranoia in check. (Doesn't he realize that most people, including Matthes, would much rather see Mike, Jeff, and MCR succeed?) So I can only speculate here, but I suspect that Genova/MCR deal with Team Alessi as Mike is the best rider in the budget and Tony when he is not acting crazy does a good job as manager, He puts up with the nonsense because of Mike's abilities and lets face it, most people like to support the underdog.

DKG

p.s. My comment wasn't intended to question the validity of your post, I should have not limited my comment to marketing benefit but to the more interesting question of why does Genova throw away a chunk of change on a race team.
DKG.....thank you for that well thought out answer. And I especially agree with the part about Mike being the best rider within the budget. Sure he comes with some drama but he is still a hell of a rider . And as you can see from the Matthes tweet sometimes drama draws a ton of publicity.

I have heard many times about MCR going up to Canada in the hopes of expanding their hot tub market when in fact that is probably the last thing on Genovas mind. I always assumed that his venture into MX was purely a means to enjoy the sport and the hot tub cover was just a means to write off the expense.
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6/23/2014 3:51pm
The amount of vitriol and schadenfreude displayed by some of the posters here toward people actually involved on the industry is ridiculous.
yep.

it's getting worse too
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6/23/2014 3:56pm
Again, spare us the BS. Its so transparent. U didn't need anyone to review that chicken scratch "contract". U had no intentions of ever signing it...
Again, spare us the BS. Its so transparent.

U didn't need anyone to review that chicken scratch "contract". U had no intentions of ever signing it. And u certainly didn't need a lawyer to understand the terms of that " contract". The only thing that could have made that "contract" any funnier is if it would have been written in crayon.

U were looking for drama, plain & simple. Otherwise u take the high road, give the contract back, and go have a laugh about it without all the extra stupid shit.

Despite the pot shots, a lot of people in the industry have taken the high road with u matthes. U may not care. Or u likely are too caught up in yourself to realize it. But stones/glass houses and some cliches like that would serve you well.
Thanks for the lessons, I've been going to the races since 1996 and everything I've done/doing seems to be working out ok. No one is perfect (myself included) but if you're in the media business and everyone likes you then I would say to that you're not doing that good of a job because sometimes, life (and sport) doesn't always work out so well.

You know who I am, you're acting like you're with some of the teams (still no real proof though) so come find me at a race and let's talk about this incident and my coverage of the races. Maybe we can understand each other better.
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6/23/2014 3:56pm
The amount of vitriol and schadenfreude displayed by some of the posters here toward people actually involved on the industry is ridiculous.
Yeah, I don't understand it because there is a complete lack of vitriol directed at other board members.

The inconsistency is confusing...

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