An open letter to DC and MX Sports, Feld and the AMA and FIM. Re: JS7

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zippy895 6/21/2014 6:05am
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starchildeyes wrote:
I apologize for another topic but I have to get this off my chest and hope someone actually reads it, for what it is worth. It...
I apologize for another topic but I have to get this off my chest and hope someone actually reads it, for what it is worth.

It is obvious Stewie (or one of his team members) dropped the ball by not turning in the proper documentation on the prescribed medication for ADHD. This is patently obvious.

But for real. Is this how we treat the face of this sport for the last 12 years? As soon as he makes any mistake, some just throw him straight under the bus? James has not been in trouble left and right and has not only made the Coombs family and Feld a crap load of money but has also been the sports icon since RC retired.

Yes, James dropped the ball but he has a Dr.'s prescription for a medical condition. The drug can stay in your system varying amounts of time. But he is been an ambassador to the sport, especially the last few years, showing a love and passion for the fans and the great sport of SX and MX

And this is what he gets. It disgusts me. We all make mistakes. Should he pay a penalty? Yes, of course. He broke a rule. But it shouldn't be as extreme to possibly end his career. That is ludicrous. I have always been a CR22 and RC4 fan as well but they both can stick it for being such smart asses about all this. This is not caring for our sport. This is trainwrecking our sport. Yeah, we made USA Today and ESPN. But not for the talent and passion. For something that has very little impact on someone's actual performance.

I don't expect WADA or USADA to give James any breaks. They owe James nothing. However, Feld, the FIM and MX Sports should remember that James Stewart Jr. has been an ambassador to this sport, been the face of the sport, a personable human being who actually cares about his sport (unlike a certain Monster rider) and has made them all a lot of money and brought the sport to new elevations. They should take all that under consideration, especially with this being a first offence.

Davey, I respect you, sir. I know you are in a tough situation. But James has been there for you and for your series. Be there for him, through the good times and the bad and let him race the Outdoors and give the FANS what they want. Some good racing. People make mistakes. Make them pay a price but in this case it should not be nothing like the BS we are hearing.

I'm just so over all of this. I hope he gets some benefit of the doubt. If he doesn't then I'm not sure how Feld or MX Sports can look in the mirror each night without feeling like crap. Yes, he erred. But that does happen. To us all.
do you take medication?
a simple,yes or no. if yes,show proof.
said the drug tester to js7 at time of testing.



can the js7 drug issue rest now and let it go through whatever process it will take?
SlowOldGuy 6/21/2014 6:07am
6/21/2014 6:07am
starchildeyes wrote:
I agree. There should be a punishment. But I think it was just carelessness more than anything else. I work at a hospital. The drug doesn't...
I agree. There should be a punishment. But I think it was just carelessness more than anything else. I work at a hospital. The drug doesn't work that way. Yes, it is on the banned substance list. But so are beta blockers. Beta blockers are sometimes used for high blood pressure.

There is no advantage gained in riding or in life by having high blood pressure. Trust me, I know.

Yeah, they should have filled out the correct forms. And didn't. That should be punishable. Not for cheating.
You keep saying filled out the correct forms like you just turn in the paperwork in advance and its all good. That's not the way it works. You have to be granted an exemption and they don't just hand those out because you turned in the form.
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Fine a millionare?, lmfao, he should know whats going in his body and the rules, pretty sure theres a rulebook around.,or maybe the 20 manfriends could inform instead of shining his knob everyday. Either he thought he wdnt get caught or thought he was above the rules.
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starchildeyes wrote:
I apologize for another topic but I have to get this off my chest and hope someone actually reads it, for what it is worth. It...
I apologize for another topic but I have to get this off my chest and hope someone actually reads it, for what it is worth.

It is obvious Stewie (or one of his team members) dropped the ball by not turning in the proper documentation on the prescribed medication for ADHD. This is patently obvious.

But for real. Is this how we treat the face of this sport for the last 12 years? As soon as he makes any mistake, some just throw him straight under the bus? James has not been in trouble left and right and has not only made the Coombs family and Feld a crap load of money but has also been the sports icon since RC retired.

Yes, James dropped the ball but he has a Dr.'s prescription for a medical condition. The drug can stay in your system varying amounts of time. But he is been an ambassador to the sport, especially the last few years, showing a love and passion for the fans and the great sport of SX and MX

And this is what he gets. It disgusts me. We all make mistakes. Should he pay a penalty? Yes, of course. He broke a rule. But it shouldn't be as extreme to possibly end his career. That is ludicrous. I have always been a CR22 and RC4 fan as well but they both can stick it for being such smart asses about all this. This is not caring for our sport. This is trainwrecking our sport. Yeah, we made USA Today and ESPN. But not for the talent and passion. For something that has very little impact on someone's actual performance.

I don't expect WADA or USADA to give James any breaks. They owe James nothing. However, Feld, the FIM and MX Sports should remember that James Stewart Jr. has been an ambassador to this sport, been the face of the sport, a personable human being who actually cares about his sport (unlike a certain Monster rider) and has made them all a lot of money and brought the sport to new elevations. They should take all that under consideration, especially with this being a first offence.

Davey, I respect you, sir. I know you are in a tough situation. But James has been there for you and for your series. Be there for him, through the good times and the bad and let him race the Outdoors and give the FANS what they want. Some good racing. People make mistakes. Make them pay a price but in this case it should not be nothing like the BS we are hearing.

I'm just so over all of this. I hope he gets some benefit of the doubt. If he doesn't then I'm not sure how Feld or MX Sports can look in the mirror each night without feeling like crap. Yes, he erred. But that does happen. To us all.
zippy895 wrote:
do you take medication? a simple,yes or no. if yes,show proof. said the drug tester to js7 at time of testing. can the js7 drug issue...
do you take medication?
a simple,yes or no. if yes,show proof.
said the drug tester to js7 at time of testing.



can the js7 drug issue rest now and let it go through whatever process it will take?
So the OP's basic point is this is James Effin Stewart we have here. Take it easy on him?

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starchildeyes wrote:
I agree. There should be a punishment. But I think it was just carelessness more than anything else. I work at a hospital. The drug doesn't...
I agree. There should be a punishment. But I think it was just carelessness more than anything else. I work at a hospital. The drug doesn't work that way. Yes, it is on the banned substance list. But so are beta blockers. Beta blockers are sometimes used for high blood pressure.

There is no advantage gained in riding or in life by having high blood pressure. Trust me, I know.

Yeah, they should have filled out the correct forms. And didn't. That should be punishable. Not for cheating.
I have read that it is the drug of choice for college students cramming for test as it improves focus. If improving ones mind clarity in racing is not an advantage then what would be?

Regardless it is inexcusable that with James resources and the huge posse following him that he failed to have a qualified person in his corner to be on top of this. I hate to see him go anywhere.....he is by far the most entertaining rider on the track
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KennyT wrote:
There are rules to follow , how hard is that to understand? I'm sorry it was James. I have been loving watching him ride for years...
There are rules to follow , how hard is that to understand?
I'm sorry it was James. I have been loving watching him ride for years and it is great to see him back on top. You don't know how much I wish it was the guy that ran off and hid when the testing came into play.

It's up to Stewart and his posse to know what will get you popped and they failed......case closed
Who ran off and hid? RV?

You do know this test is from SX, not outdoors. So if the assumption is that RV was juicing. wouldn't he have been caught during SX? If I recall he raced all the SX races and even won the title. Hard to do if your hiding out isn't it?
SlowOldGuy 6/21/2014 9:12am
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The criteria for a TUE are:
•The athlete would experience significant health problems without taking the prohibited substance or method

•The therapeutic use of the substance would not produce significant enhancement of performance, and

•There is no reasonable therapeutic alternative to the use of the otherwise prohibited substance or method.
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What fuck is that Reed and RC4 bashing in that op?

What did they do?
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How is this a dropped ball or simple mistake? James has sponsors, people, handlers, trainers, family members, doctors, and more all looking out for James best interest and their investment. How does a medication he's been taking for years just slip the mind, or become a dropped ball?

The rules from these tests are very simple....are you on or taking any medications? Yes / No. If it's yes, what is it? If it's on the 'banned' list, have you filled out the proper paperwork? If no, then piss should come out clean.

I hope for James sake and the sport this gets resolved...but I still don't understand how something like this happens with a multimillion dollar athlete so many depend on. In other sports, it's very black and white.
woodsryder 6/21/2014 10:35am
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KennyT wrote:
There are rules to follow , how hard is that to understand? I'm sorry it was James. I have been loving watching him ride for years...
There are rules to follow , how hard is that to understand?
I'm sorry it was James. I have been loving watching him ride for years and it is great to see him back on top. You don't know how much I wish it was the guy that ran off and hid when the testing came into play.

It's up to Stewart and his posse to know what will get you popped and they failed......case closed
starchildeyes wrote:
All I can say is I hope, when you make a mistake, that those you have helped along the way, that they just look at everything...
All I can say is I hope, when you make a mistake, that those you have helped along the way, that they just look at everything that way, with no consideration of history, no consideration of what you have done for them...for years.

Life is not just about rules. It is about having guidelines and then tailor fitting those guidelines to the different situations an circumstances.

Sorry, but rules are rules. There should not be a gray area. You either follow the rules or you don't and risk getting caught. It's that simple.
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bkent136 6/21/2014 10:46am
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KennyT wrote:
There are rules to follow , how hard is that to understand? I'm sorry it was James. I have been loving watching him ride for years...
There are rules to follow , how hard is that to understand?
I'm sorry it was James. I have been loving watching him ride for years and it is great to see him back on top. You don't know how much I wish it was the guy that ran off and hid when the testing came into play.

It's up to Stewart and his posse to know what will get you popped and they failed......case closed
starchildeyes wrote:
All I can say is I hope, when you make a mistake, that those you have helped along the way, that they just look at everything...
All I can say is I hope, when you make a mistake, that those you have helped along the way, that they just look at everything that way, with no consideration of history, no consideration of what you have done for them...for years.

Life is not just about rules. It is about having guidelines and then tailor fitting those guidelines to the different situations an circumstances.

woodsryder wrote:
Sorry, but rules are rules. There should not be a gray area. You either follow the rules or you don't and risk getting caught. It's that...
Sorry, but rules are rules. There should not be a gray area. You either follow the rules or you don't and risk getting caught. It's that simple.
So you're saying that you really think that he should get banned from competition for up to 2 years for not filling out the proper paperwork? Really? He'd retire in a heartbeat and then motocross would be boring as hell to watch. Yeah, he should be punished for the lack of paperwork, but it should be a fine, not suspension. If it was something like EPO that is actually illegal, it would be a different situation.
woodsryder 6/21/2014 11:23am
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starchildeyes wrote:
All I can say is I hope, when you make a mistake, that those you have helped along the way, that they just look at everything...
All I can say is I hope, when you make a mistake, that those you have helped along the way, that they just look at everything that way, with no consideration of history, no consideration of what you have done for them...for years.

Life is not just about rules. It is about having guidelines and then tailor fitting those guidelines to the different situations an circumstances.

woodsryder wrote:
Sorry, but rules are rules. There should not be a gray area. You either follow the rules or you don't and risk getting caught. It's that...
Sorry, but rules are rules. There should not be a gray area. You either follow the rules or you don't and risk getting caught. It's that simple.
bkent136 wrote:
So you're saying that you really think that he should get banned from competition for up to 2 years for not filling out the proper paperwork...
So you're saying that you really think that he should get banned from competition for up to 2 years for not filling out the proper paperwork? Really? He'd retire in a heartbeat and then motocross would be boring as hell to watch. Yeah, he should be punished for the lack of paperwork, but it should be a fine, not suspension. If it was something like EPO that is actually illegal, it would be a different situation.
No, I do not believe this failed drug test warrants a 2 year suspension. 1 race would suffice, IMO. Amphetamines are illegal, and that is what is in Adderall. Everyone keeps saying that JS has a prescription for Adderall. Has this been verified?
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starchildeyes wrote:
I apologize for another topic but I have to get this off my chest and hope someone actually reads it, for what it is worth. It...
I apologize for another topic but I have to get this off my chest and hope someone actually reads it, for what it is worth.

It is obvious Stewie (or one of his team members) dropped the ball by not turning in the proper documentation on the prescribed medication for ADHD. This is patently obvious.

But for real. Is this how we treat the face of this sport for the last 12 years? As soon as he makes any mistake, some just throw him straight under the bus? James has not been in trouble left and right and has not only made the Coombs family and Feld a crap load of money but has also been the sports icon since RC retired.

Yes, James dropped the ball but he has a Dr.'s prescription for a medical condition. The drug can stay in your system varying amounts of time. But he is been an ambassador to the sport, especially the last few years, showing a love and passion for the fans and the great sport of SX and MX

And this is what he gets. It disgusts me. We all make mistakes. Should he pay a penalty? Yes, of course. He broke a rule. But it shouldn't be as extreme to possibly end his career. That is ludicrous. I have always been a CR22 and RC4 fan as well but they both can stick it for being such smart asses about all this. This is not caring for our sport. This is trainwrecking our sport. Yeah, we made USA Today and ESPN. But not for the talent and passion. For something that has very little impact on someone's actual performance.

I don't expect WADA or USADA to give James any breaks. They owe James nothing. However, Feld, the FIM and MX Sports should remember that James Stewart Jr. has been an ambassador to this sport, been the face of the sport, a personable human being who actually cares about his sport (unlike a certain Monster rider) and has made them all a lot of money and brought the sport to new elevations. They should take all that under consideration, especially with this being a first offence.

Davey, I respect you, sir. I know you are in a tough situation. But James has been there for you and for your series. Be there for him, through the good times and the bad and let him race the Outdoors and give the FANS what they want. Some good racing. People make mistakes. Make them pay a price but in this case it should not be nothing like the BS we are hearing.

I'm just so over all of this. I hope he gets some benefit of the doubt. If he doesn't then I'm not sure how Feld or MX Sports can look in the mirror each night without feeling like crap. Yes, he erred. But that does happen. To us all.
Taking your logic to heart, then they should have never pursued Lance Armstrong because of who he is, a cancer survivor and someone who has raised millions for cancer care through his foundation.
Lance was a cheater, systematically doping and bullying team mates, support staff into keeping the whole thing quiet.

James knew the rules, or at least someone on his team, man friends etc should have realised they needed to complete a TUE prior to getting caught. It will be interesting to see what the Thunder Valley test results, both blood and urine show?
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Canerat 6/22/2014 2:47am
6/22/2014 2:47am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2014 3:08am
The offence in question took place sometime back during the SX series. He was found postive for a banned substance which was taken at the time (during the SX series). I think the appropriate punishment / penalty would be for him (JS7) to be excluded from from the SX results. Everyone will move up a position thus earning a little more money. Jame's bonus's he earned from his endorsments should be forfeited and given to the Asterix mobile unit.

First offence yes, and punish to him... rightly so. To exclude him from the current outdoor series will be a serious harm for the rest of the championship.

I for one am a huge James fan and long time supporter of him and his family. I dont support doping at any level. If they go ahead and exclude him from the current outdoor series he then should retire and walk away from the sport. As for myself if they exclude him then they can shove the sport up their bums. Ill go an watch road racing.
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jndmx wrote:
And this would be 3 meltdown threads so far......
It doesn't take much to push JS fans over the edge, they are teetering there under normal circumstances. Laughing
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KennyT wrote:
There are rules to follow , how hard is that to understand? I'm sorry it was James. I have been loving watching him ride for years...
There are rules to follow , how hard is that to understand?
I'm sorry it was James. I have been loving watching him ride for years and it is great to see him back on top. You don't know how much I wish it was the guy that ran off and hid when the testing came into play.

It's up to Stewart and his posse to know what will get you popped and they failed......case closed
So you actually wanted RV to get popped for a banned substance? Wow, what a piece of work. I'm not a JS fan at all, never have been but I sure didn't want him to come up with dirty piss. How do you think RV went off and hid? He had knee surgery. Nothing to do with hiding, he wanted his knee fixed.
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KennyT 6/22/2014 9:48am
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KennyT wrote:
There are rules to follow , how hard is that to understand? I'm sorry it was James. I have been loving watching him ride for years...
There are rules to follow , how hard is that to understand?
I'm sorry it was James. I have been loving watching him ride for years and it is great to see him back on top. You don't know how much I wish it was the guy that ran off and hid when the testing came into play.

It's up to Stewart and his posse to know what will get you popped and they failed......case closed
Ing wrote:
So you actually wanted RV to get popped for a banned substance? Wow, what a piece of work. I'm not a JS fan at all, never...
So you actually wanted RV to get popped for a banned substance? Wow, what a piece of work. I'm not a JS fan at all, never have been but I sure didn't want him to come up with dirty piss. How do you think RV went off and hid? He had knee surgery. Nothing to do with hiding, he wanted his knee fixed.
You are the one naming riders....did I say RV? What a piece of work you are
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KennyT wrote:
There are rules to follow , how hard is that to understand? I'm sorry it was James. I have been loving watching him ride for years...
There are rules to follow , how hard is that to understand?
I'm sorry it was James. I have been loving watching him ride for years and it is great to see him back on top. You don't know how much I wish it was the guy that ran off and hid when the testing came into play.

It's up to Stewart and his posse to know what will get you popped and they failed......case closed
Ing wrote:
So you actually wanted RV to get popped for a banned substance? Wow, what a piece of work. I'm not a JS fan at all, never...
So you actually wanted RV to get popped for a banned substance? Wow, what a piece of work. I'm not a JS fan at all, never have been but I sure didn't want him to come up with dirty piss. How do you think RV went off and hid? He had knee surgery. Nothing to do with hiding, he wanted his knee fixed.
KennyT wrote:
You are the one naming riders....did I say RV? What a piece of work you are
So who is the rider you were referring to that "ran off and hid when the testing came into play"?

Who were you referring to?

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KennyT wrote:
There are rules to follow , how hard is that to understand? I'm sorry it was James. I have been loving watching him ride for years...
There are rules to follow , how hard is that to understand?
I'm sorry it was James. I have been loving watching him ride for years and it is great to see him back on top. You don't know how much I wish it was the guy that ran off and hid when the testing came into play.

It's up to Stewart and his posse to know what will get you popped and they failed......case closed
Ing wrote:
So you actually wanted RV to get popped for a banned substance? Wow, what a piece of work. I'm not a JS fan at all, never...
So you actually wanted RV to get popped for a banned substance? Wow, what a piece of work. I'm not a JS fan at all, never have been but I sure didn't want him to come up with dirty piss. How do you think RV went off and hid? He had knee surgery. Nothing to do with hiding, he wanted his knee fixed.
KennyT wrote:
You are the one naming riders....did I say RV? What a piece of work you are
Kenny.....you say some of the stupidest shit I've ever had the privilege of reading on this board. I now feel dumber than I did before I read your opinion.

" You wish it would have been RV "........really? Well guess what you piece of shit....it wasn't. Who were you referring too if not RV that " ran off ".......don't sit there and beat around the bush , grow some balls and put a name to your accusations.

I've spent a lot of time off this board as of late because of some of the down right stupid shit people put up here. Today....you and that Lamecake guy win the prize.

Bottom line....if James had a prescription , and the FIM let's it slide.....then good for him! I don't want to lose the guy in this sport. If he didn't??........well then , let the cards fall where they may. And that goes for any rider who gets busted.
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KennyT 6/22/2014 10:51am
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Hey Jeffro....so are you accusing your boy toy too? Don't you know it's not nice to name names when it comes to PED's.

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starchildeyes wrote:
All I can say is I hope, when you make a mistake, that those you have helped along the way, that they just look at everything...
All I can say is I hope, when you make a mistake, that those you have helped along the way, that they just look at everything that way, with no consideration of history, no consideration of what you have done for them...for years.

Life is not just about rules. It is about having guidelines and then tailor fitting those guidelines to the different situations an circumstances.

woodsryder wrote:
Sorry, but rules are rules. There should not be a gray area. You either follow the rules or you don't and risk getting caught. It's that...
Sorry, but rules are rules. There should not be a gray area. You either follow the rules or you don't and risk getting caught. It's that simple.
bkent136 wrote:
So you're saying that you really think that he should get banned from competition for up to 2 years for not filling out the proper paperwork...
So you're saying that you really think that he should get banned from competition for up to 2 years for not filling out the proper paperwork? Really? He'd retire in a heartbeat and then motocross would be boring as hell to watch. Yeah, he should be punished for the lack of paperwork, but it should be a fine, not suspension. If it was something like EPO that is actually illegal, it would be a different situation.
It's not paperwork. You have to prove to a panel of doctors that you need to take it, he didn't do that. More to it than a clerical error. Let's see how the investigation goes before we say what penalty he should get.

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