Villopoto MXGP 2015?

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GuyB and JT$............. My 10 against your 150 that RV races a GP before the end of the 2016 season? If he races a whole season you both owe me double!

That is easily a 15 to 1 bet. Probably more like 100 to1 but I am feeling generous. BTW that 2 bets. So if I lose it's 10 to each. If I win it's 150 from each of you.
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6/18/2014 12:25pm
KennyT wrote:
I would love to see it happen. He, Dungey or Alessi are probably the only 3 Americans that would have any chance at a World title
steven329 wrote:
Alessi? RV and Dungey should never be in the same category as Alessi.
GrapeApe wrote:
Please don't poke the fanboy . . .
Well you can hate on the Alessis all you want but it doesn't change the fact that on true MX tracks, Mike can race with anyone. Case in point when he went 35 mins against Dungey at Washoutal and came out victorious

The GP tracks are MX and not outdoor SX, Mike is one of the few that could go over there and have any chance of winning
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6/18/2014 12:30pm
winning a world championship is not a vacation even for r.v. I dont think he wins it his first year.
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6/18/2014 12:31pm
Didn't MA already race some GP's?

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6/18/2014 12:33pm
steven329 wrote:
Alessi? RV and Dungey should never be in the same category as Alessi.
GrapeApe wrote:
Please don't poke the fanboy . . .
KennyT wrote:
Well you can hate on the Alessis all you want but it doesn't change the fact that on true MX tracks, Mike can race with anyone...
Well you can hate on the Alessis all you want but it doesn't change the fact that on true MX tracks, Mike can race with anyone. Case in point when he went 35 mins against Dungey at Washoutal and came out victorious

The GP tracks are MX and not outdoor SX, Mike is one of the few that could go over there and have any chance of winning
unreal! your fanatical Alessi adoration gets more radical by the week. you gotta back it down a bit buddy.
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6/18/2014 12:47pm Edited Date/Time 6/18/2014 12:56pm
GrapeApe wrote:
Please don't poke the fanboy . . .
KennyT wrote:
Well you can hate on the Alessis all you want but it doesn't change the fact that on true MX tracks, Mike can race with anyone...
Well you can hate on the Alessis all you want but it doesn't change the fact that on true MX tracks, Mike can race with anyone. Case in point when he went 35 mins against Dungey at Washoutal and came out victorious

The GP tracks are MX and not outdoor SX, Mike is one of the few that could go over there and have any chance of winning
mrpip wrote:
unreal! your fanatical Alessi adoration gets more radical by the week. you gotta back it down a bit buddy.
Just talking racing dude.....no need to take anything too personal. Watch the GP's and u will see the tracks are nothing like we have here in the US. Certain riders will do well on them....Dungey and Alessi are 2 of them. They would not suit RV's style but he would still have a chance of hanging with AC.

And the only one on here that can make me back down from anything is GuyB with the delete button.....it most certainly will not be you
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6/18/2014 12:48pm
mauidex wrote:
ALESSI............WORLD TITLE................PLEASE put the crack pipe down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike barely has Colton Facciotti covered. With all due respect to Colton, he's no Cairoli.
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6/18/2014 1:08pm
mauidex wrote:
ALESSI............WORLD TITLE................PLEASE put the crack pipe down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, I agree with MA's championship chances...but, a few wins in a season + top three when it's over? Yeah, Mike is fast enough to do that. If he has his head (and Tony's) on straight.
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6/18/2014 1:14pm
KennyT wrote:
Well you can hate on the Alessis all you want but it doesn't change the fact that on true MX tracks, Mike can race with anyone...
Well you can hate on the Alessis all you want but it doesn't change the fact that on true MX tracks, Mike can race with anyone. Case in point when he went 35 mins against Dungey at Washoutal and came out victorious

The GP tracks are MX and not outdoor SX, Mike is one of the few that could go over there and have any chance of winning
mrpip wrote:
unreal! your fanatical Alessi adoration gets more radical by the week. you gotta back it down a bit buddy.
KennyT wrote:
Just talking racing dude.....no need to take anything too personal. Watch the GP's and u will see the tracks are nothing like we have here in...
Just talking racing dude.....no need to take anything too personal. Watch the GP's and u will see the tracks are nothing like we have here in the US. Certain riders will do well on them....Dungey and Alessi are 2 of them. They would not suit RV's style but he would still have a chance of hanging with AC.

And the only one on here that can make me back down from anything is GuyB with the delete button.....it most certainly will not be you
ha! now that's taking things personal!!
never said anything about "making" you back it down. merely a suggestion so you appear a little less nutty.
lets get back to the topic at hand. Wink
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6/18/2014 1:26pm Edited Date/Time 6/18/2014 1:33pm
mrpip wrote:
unreal! your fanatical Alessi adoration gets more radical by the week. you gotta back it down a bit buddy.
KennyT wrote:
Just talking racing dude.....no need to take anything too personal. Watch the GP's and u will see the tracks are nothing like we have here in...
Just talking racing dude.....no need to take anything too personal. Watch the GP's and u will see the tracks are nothing like we have here in the US. Certain riders will do well on them....Dungey and Alessi are 2 of them. They would not suit RV's style but he would still have a chance of hanging with AC.

And the only one on here that can make me back down from anything is GuyB with the delete button.....it most certainly will not be you
mrpip wrote:
ha! now that's taking things personal!! never said anything about "making" you back it down. merely a suggestion so you appear a little less nutty. lets...
ha! now that's taking things personal!!
never said anything about "making" you back it down. merely a suggestion so you appear a little less nutty.
lets get back to the topic at hand. Wink
I thought with this board being a nut was part of the requirements.

I guess the 1-1 up in Canada last weekend flipped me out and it may take awhile to recover Smile
Sorry for going off on another MA tangent.

Anyway you are right. Back to the RV subject. I would love to see any top American give it a go, especially RV. You get him on the track with AC and Herlings and I imagine those two would step it up a notch. It would not be a cakewalk for RV.

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6/18/2014 1:32pm
smeg wrote:
Didn't MA already race some GP's?
Yep he raced Desertmartin in Northern Ireland for KTM small class. He lead for a good # of laps before DeRouver ran him down & passed him. I think jeff raced as well. Desertmartin is a very sandy (sharp gritty sand) track.
6/18/2014 1:58pm
smeg wrote:
Didn't MA already race some GP's?
mac3-d wrote:
Yep he raced Desertmartin in Northern Ireland for KTM small class. He lead for a good # of laps before DeRouver ran him down & passed...
Yep he raced Desertmartin in Northern Ireland for KTM small class. He lead for a good # of laps before DeRouver ran him down & passed him. I think jeff raced as well. Desertmartin is a very sandy (sharp gritty sand) track.

Glen Helen. Not a Euro track but still great to see a top American joining the party.

Back to RV, there is a strong rumor as well about Paulin to the US since a couple weeks; Paulin is super appreciated at Kawi and every teams he has ridden for so far, he has also a big negotiation leverages here because several big teams are taking the check book including Honda. I really think Kawi/Monster want to keep Paulin, and I am sure Kawi/Monster want RV to be happy to ride at 100% (and so win). Great to build a stronger US fan base for the GPs & euro base for RV too.

It would be surprising but I do not think it is impossible.
6/18/2014 2:08pm
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This guy had it rough for 10 years before becoming a World Champ.He laid the ground work for those who followed.Danny Laporte won the 250 a week later.I would think things would be a LITTLE easier for the guy's in this day and age.
I hope RV DOES go over win or lose,as long as he gives it a shot.He mentioned somewhere a couple years ago he wanted to do at least a year contesting the GP's.
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The interview I heard was him saying he wanted to "do some GP stuff", which, to me, means racing select events.

I think it would be awesome if he did race over there, but I won't hold my breath.
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6/18/2014 3:31pm
Is a year in GPs considered a fitting punishment by the FIM then?
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6/18/2014 3:37pm
hahaha Mike winning GP's now is he ?! Pass some of that shit over, I hadn't got fucked up like that for a while
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Outsider wrote:
The interview I heard was him saying he wanted to "do some GP stuff", which, to me, means racing select events. I think it would be...
The interview I heard was him saying he wanted to "do some GP stuff", which, to me, means racing select events.

I think it would be awesome if he did race over there, but I won't hold my breath.
+1

Personally I think at this point in RV's career it would extremely awesome. Be a way to get an all expense paid worldwide working/vacation for a year or so. Would be great exposure for MX on both sides of the pond.

As a moto head riding all the various tracks while traveling globe is good work if you can get it if you ask me. Back in the 90's Rob Healey N Style raced a HoT bike at all of the 12 National tracks amateur races.
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wow..........thanks for letting us all know about how important and cool Rob Healey is/was.........and that would be very cool as long as you didn't act like such a hot s--- entitled ---hole like he always did.............
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I don't know enough to have any idea if it would happen or not, but it would be really cool. Surely you can only win something so many times against the same people until it gets boring? I know it's boring for me watching RV win everything he races by 20 seconds, i would be an RV convert if he gave the GPs a go. Is there any chance of Dungey doing a couple of races over there as part of his deal with KTM like alessi had to do? or do they just get Roczen to do that because he is a local?
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6/18/2014 8:26pm Edited Date/Time 6/18/2014 8:32pm
If, indeed, RV is reluctant to commit to a full 2015 season -or even to a SX-only 2015 season- this highly unlikely scenario may still be, at least, an option on the table.

Put yourself in Kawi's shoes, with a global vision.

Their US superstar seems to be a question mark for 2015, whether because he is burnt out, or has more pending issues with his knee (etc).

Although Davi is a strong SX contender, he is himself a question mark (injury / has not raced in more than a year).

Not many replacement options left, silly season is drying out.

On the Euro side, Paulin is their man : he likes them and they like him.

He happens to be a free agent for 2015, he is the biggest player to be in this position and he says he has an open mind to make the move to the US (as Tonus, another Kawi-Monster favorite, will already do).

My impression is that if he was to make that move, it would have to be on a green machine.

He'll most likely stay green anyway, although Honda is all over the GP pits looking for a (new) top 450 contender and Paulin is on top of their list.

Back to RV : let's imagine his knee needs more work (as it has been said, don't know if there is any truth to that) / he is truly burned out / does not want to take the risks involved with chasing a SX title / uncomfortable with the US scene after the recent PR debacle / insert whatever other reason there may be / or a combination of all that.

There must have been some serious managers/agents/lawyers activity around these questions because it's these people's job to anticipate such problems.

If indeed there is a chance that RV is / won't be in a position / mentally or physically able to fulfill his existing contracts for 2015, these guys must elaborate scenarios and the RV / Paulin "exchange" does have some positive sides for all parties :

- more time for RV to recover physically mentally, has to be ready in march rather than january;

- different challenge / atmosphere / media environment = good to fight burn out;

- less intensity / much more comfortable schedule (at the -big- expense of living as an expatriate) = good for someone that has paid such a big physical tribute to the danger of this sport;

- Kawi / Monster get to keep both RV and GP21 (although huge $$$ issues remain to be solved)...

All this is mostly speculation but one can't say it does not make sense at all for the men on charge, unless RV has firmly ruled it out altogether (which his people would know).

JT$ and Matthes are among the finest insiders and if they are so radical in saying it won't happen, they must have some first hand info and I wouldn't put any money against their prediction though.

If, at this point, RV's plans lean more towards settling down / growing his family around their new California home (btw, what's the status of his Florida property ? rumor had it for sale - would be an interesting side fact), then a GP adventure would indeed be totally un-appropriate.
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6/18/2014 11:37pm
Paulin has won nothing in the worldchampionship, a few Gp's but no championship ....

If you don't win a championship in Europe ... you ain't gonna win a tittle in the USA ...

Kawa wants to win championships in the States and that's not gonna happen with Paulin.
6/18/2014 11:42pm
He doesnt want to race nationals but hes up for a globe-trotting jaunt to race every weekend? Seems legit.
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I would love to see this.

If I were RV, it would sound fairly appealing. A lot less pressure and he gets to see the world!
RV has the coin to go anywhere he wants in the world with ZERO pressure. The idea of going to Europe to race would hold no appeal to me.
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He doesnt want to race nationals but hes up for a globe-trotting jaunt to race every weekend? Seems legit.
To get the big picture Ace it takes looking at the big picture:

17 GPs versus 29 US races. 17 SX and 12 Nationals.
GP injury list at the beginning of the season is a fraction of ours.
Instead of the same hotels and airports he's been dealing with for the past ten years it would be a fresh change of pace. It obviously depends on the person but this change of pace aspect is what motivated Danny Laporte to race the GPs back in the day.
6/19/2014 3:24am

If RV also wants a shot a the best rider of all time, that is a good option.

Although he would remain below (& cant top) the all time winning list, if a wrap up 1 or 2 world championships, to win as much titles & races from both sides of the pond would rank him at least in the top 3 of all time, if not #1. i.e. Everts did not take the US challenge, neither RC or MC tried the GP (which is unfortunate because of course they could have won some). Roczen may have a shot a it too if he starts to collect 450 titles in the US.

Youthstream must be in the starting block because if RV comes, they may double the number of subscribers ! I would be RV's agent, I would try something regarding specific purses/bonuses.
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6/19/2014 3:29am
I don't believe anything I hear and only half of what I see but...I'd love to see RV carry the flag in Euroland for a season. The argument about different food is bunk. They don't eat dirt or turds...even in Croatia or even Italy...lol. I'm sure he could make some coin and meet some cool folks.
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6/19/2014 6:40am Edited Date/Time 6/19/2014 6:58am
Xavier wrote:
If, indeed, RV is reluctant to commit to a full 2015 season -or even to a SX-only 2015 season- this highly unlikely scenario may still be...
If, indeed, RV is reluctant to commit to a full 2015 season -or even to a SX-only 2015 season- this highly unlikely scenario may still be, at least, an option on the table.

Put yourself in Kawi's shoes, with a global vision.

Their US superstar seems to be a question mark for 2015, whether because he is burnt out, or has more pending issues with his knee (etc).

Although Davi is a strong SX contender, he is himself a question mark (injury / has not raced in more than a year).

Not many replacement options left, silly season is drying out.

On the Euro side, Paulin is their man : he likes them and they like him.

He happens to be a free agent for 2015, he is the biggest player to be in this position and he says he has an open mind to make the move to the US (as Tonus, another Kawi-Monster favorite, will already do).

My impression is that if he was to make that move, it would have to be on a green machine.

He'll most likely stay green anyway, although Honda is all over the GP pits looking for a (new) top 450 contender and Paulin is on top of their list.

Back to RV : let's imagine his knee needs more work (as it has been said, don't know if there is any truth to that) / he is truly burned out / does not want to take the risks involved with chasing a SX title / uncomfortable with the US scene after the recent PR debacle / insert whatever other reason there may be / or a combination of all that.

There must have been some serious managers/agents/lawyers activity around these questions because it's these people's job to anticipate such problems.

If indeed there is a chance that RV is / won't be in a position / mentally or physically able to fulfill his existing contracts for 2015, these guys must elaborate scenarios and the RV / Paulin "exchange" does have some positive sides for all parties :

- more time for RV to recover physically mentally, has to be ready in march rather than january;

- different challenge / atmosphere / media environment = good to fight burn out;

- less intensity / much more comfortable schedule (at the -big- expense of living as an expatriate) = good for someone that has paid such a big physical tribute to the danger of this sport;

- Kawi / Monster get to keep both RV and GP21 (although huge $$$ issues remain to be solved)...

All this is mostly speculation but one can't say it does not make sense at all for the men on charge, unless RV has firmly ruled it out altogether (which his people would know).

JT$ and Matthes are among the finest insiders and if they are so radical in saying it won't happen, they must have some first hand info and I wouldn't put any money against their prediction though.

If, at this point, RV's plans lean more towards settling down / growing his family around their new California home (btw, what's the status of his Florida property ? rumor had it for sale - would be an interesting side fact), then a GP adventure would indeed be totally un-appropriate.
On your final paragraph, which is consistent with the background buzz here, add in that RV is doing his 2014 GP glad handing tour while the GP pits are digesting Roelents's tragic injury. If he's had his fill of racing, contemplating catastrophic injury probably isn't going to tilt the balance in favor of racing.

And it's hard for me to believe that RV wouldn't prepare just as hard for the GPs as he does for the US races, or race with less commitment to winning than is his usual custom.

Bench racing always has an element of backfilling reality with fantasy.

On the other hand, maybe he'll change his mind on racing once he's had a little time off.
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Who knows, maybe his ego would be what gets him over there for an attempt at a title.

There has been some discussion on who is the best ever. RC did not have the strongest field when he was setting all the records. If RV ever did go win a world title against riders like AC and Herlings it would be a huge bonus to his legacy. He is still very young, and he seems very unhappy on the US circuit.

The tracks are much safer overseas, he would see the world, be treated like a hero wherever he goes....,,is it that far of a stretch to think he may give it a go? And don't forget, in the "MX world" we all know the US nationals is the pinnacle of success......we make up about .00000001% of the population. The other 99.999999% would be more impressed to hear you are a "World Champion"
6/19/2014 8:05am
If RV is so burned out on racing and hates the media spotlight, he would definitely NOT want to go to Europe. he didn't even like racing the MXdN
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So this interview with Ryan just got posted on Vurb. They bring up the idea of him racing the MXGP circuit and also Stewart's positive test.

"Two years ago, I’ve looked back at the interview you did with me, and you said you’ve thought about running the GP's and that you and your wife discussed it, that you’d quite like to maybe do the GPs. What is the situation now with that?
It’s an idea, but as of right now I obviously have contracts that I have to fulfill in the States. The idea sounds cool but it’s obviously not going to happen anytime soon."

Whole interview here. http://vurbmoto.com/blogs/ryan-villopoto-discusses-drugs-and-gps/18128/

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