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5/26/2014 2:18pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2014 2:38pm
189sydney wrote:
Trolling? Crap quality of post? 2nd account because I lost the sign up info on the first but my 2 email address are the same, work...
Trolling? Crap quality of post? 2nd account because I lost the sign up info on the first but my 2 email address are the same, work and personal. Sounds to me like some of the opinions people have about how mx sports operates seems to have hit a nerve, may be take off the blinders and actually report on what is going on and that will help the sport better improve things than buried heads and company lines being towed
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Not sure if you took it that way, but I wasn't talking about you. Think about it for a second. If I was trying to "tow"...
Not sure if you took it that way, but I wasn't talking about you.

Think about it for a second. If I was trying to "tow" anyone's company line, I wouldn't have posted up on the topic in the first place.
I am dumb!
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5/26/2014 2:23pm
yzken250x wrote:
Here is my solution. Add $1 to ticket prices and that $1 goes towards keeping the rig at every round. 40,000 people at every round will...
Here is my solution. Add $1 to ticket prices and that $1 goes towards keeping the rig at every round. 40,000 people at every round will generate lots of money. That's just my $.02. I would have no problem forking over another dollar knowing it went to something like this.
I am all for this, I am just leery that it would actually end up going strictly to the Asterisk truck.
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5/26/2014 2:33pm
I want to know if what the englishman has said is the truth, are they now trying to charge the rig to park and is this the reason for the short fallor one of the reasons. You don't need to charge AMMC period.

Dc has been on and made no effort to comment in this thread, so there maybe some truth to it.


We shouldn't be adding a dollar to the ticket price, they wouldn't do that to help out the purse. This needs to be taken care of by the promoters.

Seems to me that AMMC is just as important if not more important than the Ambulance service which is mandatory in order to be able to get insurance. So the promoters need to step up, either substitute AMMC for the Ambulance service or kick in the extra needed for both.
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5/26/2014 2:51pm
Overdrive wrote:
I want to know if what the englishman has said is the truth, are they now trying to charge the rig to park and is this...
I want to know if what the englishman has said is the truth, are they now trying to charge the rig to park and is this the reason for the short fallor one of the reasons. You don't need to charge AMMC period.

Dc has been on and made no effort to comment in this thread, so there maybe some truth to it.


We shouldn't be adding a dollar to the ticket price, they wouldn't do that to help out the purse. This needs to be taken care of by the promoters.

Seems to me that AMMC is just as important if not more important than the Ambulance service which is mandatory in order to be able to get insurance. So the promoters need to step up, either substitute AMMC for the Ambulance service or kick in the extra needed for both.
I agree with you in principle of what you are saying but, you are kidding yourself if you think the promoters are going to shoulder this cost without bringing it onto the fans. The fans that go to the races will end up paying for this, one way or another.

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5/26/2014 3:16pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2014 3:17pm
Holy cow. From Eddie Casillas' iCHOR Sports Medicine Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/iCHOR-Sports-Medicine/252797611469893



He said...

Just got permission from @deanwilson15 to post pics. Motocross is such a Love Hate relationship. When you are flowing with the track and your bike is on point you feel unstoppable and loving it. When your bike is not right and the track is a motherfer you hate everything about racing and sometimes that can bite you in the leg.

On his personal page he said...

I don't like when athletes get injured. That being said I love my job and the guys and gals I work with. To think that up until a week prior to the start of the Glen Helen national the Asterisk Mobile Medical Center was not going. There were some individuals who thought the cost of our team being there was too much. To that I say, perhaps Dean Wilson would have been better treated by a flagger or EMT.
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5/26/2014 3:30pm
It makes no sense that the promoters would charge Asterisk to park their rig. MX Sports is a major contributor to AMMC's budget and it's likely that their contract with the individual promoters includes parking for theirs and the AMA's convoys, including the Asterisk rig. I can't see the Dirt Diggers North charging Asterisk to park, and I can't see a fee like that being substantial enough to warrant Doc Bod mentioning a budget crisis at a rider's meeting.
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GuyB wrote:
Holy cow. From Eddie Casillas' iCHOR Sports Medicine Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/iCHOR-Sports-Medicine/252797611469893 [img]https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10382882_665271086889208_7713910579386222707_n.jpg[/img] He said... Just got permission from @deanwilson15 to post pics. Motocross is such a...
Holy cow. From Eddie Casillas' iCHOR Sports Medicine Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/iCHOR-Sports-Medicine/252797611469893



He said...

Just got permission from @deanwilson15 to post pics. Motocross is such a Love Hate relationship. When you are flowing with the track and your bike is on point you feel unstoppable and loving it. When your bike is not right and the track is a motherfer you hate everything about racing and sometimes that can bite you in the leg.

On his personal page he said...

I don't like when athletes get injured. That being said I love my job and the guys and gals I work with. To think that up until a week prior to the start of the Glen Helen national the Asterisk Mobile Medical Center was not going. There were some individuals who thought the cost of our team being there was too much. To that I say, perhaps Dean Wilson would have been better treated by a flagger or EMT.
Amen to that! Thanks Doc, Eddie, Tom and everyone else for all that you do!!

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5/26/2014 3:47pm
Bauer wrote:
It makes no sense that the promoters would charge Asterisk to park their rig. MX Sports is a major contributor to AMMC's budget and it's likely...
It makes no sense that the promoters would charge Asterisk to park their rig. MX Sports is a major contributor to AMMC's budget and it's likely that their contract with the individual promoters includes parking for theirs and the AMA's convoys, including the Asterisk rig. I can't see the Dirt Diggers North charging Asterisk to park, and I can't see a fee like that being substantial enough to warrant Doc Bod mentioning a budget crisis at a rider's meeting.
Consider the source, A guy who's name is Englishman and lives in the UK has all the inside info. I doubt the promoters are trying to charge them to park the rig, lets wait and find the real story and I bet the problem will be solved real quick.
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5/26/2014 4:01pm
lostboy819 wrote:
Consider the source, A guy who's name is Englishman and lives in the UK has all the inside info. I doubt the promoters are trying to...
Consider the source, A guy who's name is Englishman and lives in the UK has all the inside info. I doubt the promoters are trying to charge them to park the rig, lets wait and find the real story and I bet the problem will be solved real quick.
He lives in the U.S. and has for quite some time.
5/26/2014 4:08pm
lostboy819 wrote:
Consider the source, A guy who's name is Englishman and lives in the UK has all the inside info. I doubt the promoters are trying to...
Consider the source, A guy who's name is Englishman and lives in the UK has all the inside info. I doubt the promoters are trying to charge them to park the rig, lets wait and find the real story and I bet the problem will be solved real quick.
GuyB wrote:
He lives in the U.S. and has for quite some time.
So is he correct and are the promoters charging Asterisk to set up camp at the races ?
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5/26/2014 4:14pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2014 4:37pm
lostboy819 wrote:
Consider the source, A guy who's name is Englishman and lives in the UK has all the inside info. I doubt the promoters are trying to...
Consider the source, A guy who's name is Englishman and lives in the UK has all the inside info. I doubt the promoters are trying to charge them to park the rig, lets wait and find the real story and I bet the problem will be solved real quick.
GuyB wrote:
He lives in the U.S. and has for quite some time.
lostboy819 wrote:
So is he correct and are the promoters charging Asterisk to set up camp at the races ?
Thanks for that clarification GuyB.

As I said initially I heard a RUMOR, which I wouldn't have posted if the person who shared it with me wasn't reliable.

As I also said if it's true it's poor form and if it's not it's a rumor in very bad taste.

I hope it isn't true personally but it was something told to me that I thought I'd share , I guess I should have kept it to myself and saved the 10 mins I spent on here to use drinking beer instead......
5/26/2014 4:56pm
GuyB wrote:
He lives in the U.S. and has for quite some time.
lostboy819 wrote:
So is he correct and are the promoters charging Asterisk to set up camp at the races ?
englishman wrote:
Thanks for that clarification GuyB. As I said initially I heard a RUMOR, which I wouldn't have posted if the person who shared it with me...
Thanks for that clarification GuyB.

As I said initially I heard a RUMOR, which I wouldn't have posted if the person who shared it with me wasn't reliable.

As I also said if it's true it's poor form and if it's not it's a rumor in very bad taste.

I hope it isn't true personally but it was something told to me that I thought I'd share , I guess I should have kept it to myself and saved the 10 mins I spent on here to use drinking beer instead......
Your are right, if it is true its not a good thing to do, but some rumors that are to crazy to be true do turn out to be fact. I remember hearing a rumor that McGrath signed with Suzuki a few weeks before the SX season started and no one believed that.Unsure
5/26/2014 5:19pm
yzken250x wrote:
Here is my solution. Add $1 to ticket prices and that $1 goes towards keeping the rig at every round. 40,000 people at every round will...
Here is my solution. Add $1 to ticket prices and that $1 goes towards keeping the rig at every round. 40,000 people at every round will generate lots of money. That's just my $.02. I would have no problem forking over another dollar knowing it went to something like this.
mx510 wrote:
I am all for this, I am just leery that it would actually end up going strictly to the Asterisk truck.
You're missing the point--it's NOT going into Asterisk's pocket, it's going into the PROMOTER'S POCKET if they are charging them to park their rig at the races. That's total BS on the part of Feld and MX Sports. Just another way to get into OUR pocket, because we actually give a damn about the riders. Obviously they don't.
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5/26/2014 5:32pm
Well going by the link that Guy B put up, Eddie Casillas who has the inside information says that certain individuals don't think AMMU is worth the investment.

So who are these individuals? Not to hard to take a guess.

I have a hard time believing they want to charge AMMU to park but I also have a hard time believing that those running the events think AMMU is not worth it.


Like Eddie said, who is going to care for the riders better than they do. NO ONE. Those guys are always there within seconds to help out while the flaggers are clueless and the Ambulance crew is????????????

Someone has screwing up, I would like to know who?
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5/26/2014 6:11pm
yzken250x wrote:
Here is my solution. Add $1 to ticket prices and that $1 goes towards keeping the rig at every round. 40,000 people at every round will...
Here is my solution. Add $1 to ticket prices and that $1 goes towards keeping the rig at every round. 40,000 people at every round will generate lots of money. That's just my $.02. I would have no problem forking over another dollar knowing it went to something like this.
Why not just take $1 from what we already pay?
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5/26/2014 6:22pm
When i first read this thread i thought there would be no way this doesn't get resolved. There are way too many reasons for it to get worked out.

I have to guess the insurance company would be very insistent on the ammu being present at the race. It's similar to the flagger stands at tracks. If you have them and they're unmanned, it can be more damning than not having them there. The ammu has been around this long and they've helped 100% when needed. Having them around is a testimony that they are necessary. When an incident like Wilson's leg happens and the ammu isn't present, and Wilson has to lose his leg because the emt isn't trained to handle that kind of accident, I would think the insurance company would be cutting Wilson a check. Or at minimum a costly litigation would ensue.
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5/26/2014 6:52pm
189sydney wrote:
Trolling? Crap quality of post? 2nd account because I lost the sign up info on the first but my 2 email address are the same, work...
Trolling? Crap quality of post? 2nd account because I lost the sign up info on the first but my 2 email address are the same, work and personal. Sounds to me like some of the opinions people have about how mx sports operates seems to have hit a nerve, may be take off the blinders and actually report on what is going on and that will help the sport better improve things than buried heads and company lines being towed
GuyB wrote:
Not sure if you took it that way, but I wasn't talking about you. Think about it for a second. If I was trying to "tow"...
Not sure if you took it that way, but I wasn't talking about you.

Think about it for a second. If I was trying to "tow" anyone's company line, I wouldn't have posted up on the topic in the first place.
Sorry, thought you were talking about me, I wasn't inferring anything about you, more pointed at our "reporters/moto journalist"
That wouldn't have touched this at all. Glad you actually did some thing with it and brought it to light. I would like if somebody had more clarification on the mandatory concussion testing the ammc does for mx sports and how it will work if somebody get a concussion and ther rant at the track
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5/26/2014 7:20pm
yzken250x wrote:
Here is my solution. Add $1 to ticket prices and that $1 goes towards keeping the rig at every round. 40,000 people at every round will...
Here is my solution. Add $1 to ticket prices and that $1 goes towards keeping the rig at every round. 40,000 people at every round will generate lots of money. That's just my $.02. I would have no problem forking over another dollar knowing it went to something like this.
1. When was the last time an outdoor national drew 40,000 spectators?

2. Have all you guys demanding that DC responds considered that he probably traveled across the country yesterday and may have wanted to spend what was left of a holiday weekend with his family today? I would have if I were him. Let's give him a reasonable amount of time to respond before you get the pitch forks out.
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5/26/2014 7:23pm
How about they cut 5 rounds of the indoor dorkercross series to fund the outdoors. Seems they had not money issue then.
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5/26/2014 9:16pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2014 9:16pm
MotoX85 wrote:
How about they cut 5 rounds of the indoor dorkercross series to fund the outdoors. Seems they had not money issue then.
Because "dorkercross" makes waaaaaaay more money then the outdoors.
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5/26/2014 10:09pm
The way you guys talk about EMT's, I don't want to get in a car or leave the house anymore.

I was in a bad car crash when I was a teenager and the EMT's and more importantly, the Firefighters cut us out of that car and saved my buddies foot. It was crushed under him and was bleeding and white when they pulled him out. They didn't panic and stopped the bleeding, stabilized him and put him on a helicopter ride that saved his foot and life. I see the need for something like the AMMU, but quit cutting down EMT's and other emergency personnel. They save lives everyday without bright lights, flaggers guarding them and clean, well lit semi's full of medical gear. No offense to AMMU, but that cut on Dean's leg is a walk in the park compared to some of the shit they deal with all the time. Just ask your friendly local fireman for some stories and you will be humbled.

And

Why are fans talking about the medical treatment for Pro riders? It has nothing to do with us. Are we going to debate why the OEM's only hire two factory riders instead of the old three or four because they say they don't have the money anymore. Anyone want to start a paypal for that? Geez. They will straighten it out.
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5/26/2014 10:42pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2014 10:45pm
That's the point, most fire fighters are paramedics, these days. Most ambulance crews at EMTs. I have friends that are EMTs and some of them are far from what I believe is qualified to work on an ambulance crew.

Even if you have paramedics in an ambulance, they won't drive around the track during the race to help people, and they certainly won't run across the track, either. They will need a red flag and then they will go help whoever is hurt. Also, trauma surgeons and nurses who have much experience in motocross related injuries are more suited to help riders.

Do you want a lessor prepared crew taking care of your favorite rider when they go down? Not me.

On that note, one of our friends is alive today because the ambulance crew at a race knew how to take care of head trauma. If they didn't, he would certainly be dead. I am not trying to say that the ambulance crew is unqualified, I am saying that they are less qualified that anyone on the AMMC's crew

I sent in a question to Gab at Gibbs tonight on the Pulp show. I wasn't able to listen but I think they talked some about it based on tweets I saw
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5/26/2014 10:43pm
RMT wrote:
The way you guys talk about EMT's, I don't want to get in a car or leave the house anymore. I was in a bad car...
The way you guys talk about EMT's, I don't want to get in a car or leave the house anymore.

I was in a bad car crash when I was a teenager and the EMT's and more importantly, the Firefighters cut us out of that car and saved my buddies foot. It was crushed under him and was bleeding and white when they pulled him out. They didn't panic and stopped the bleeding, stabilized him and put him on a helicopter ride that saved his foot and life. I see the need for something like the AMMU, but quit cutting down EMT's and other emergency personnel. They save lives everyday without bright lights, flaggers guarding them and clean, well lit semi's full of medical gear. No offense to AMMU, but that cut on Dean's leg is a walk in the park compared to some of the shit they deal with all the time. Just ask your friendly local fireman for some stories and you will be humbled.

And

Why are fans talking about the medical treatment for Pro riders? It has nothing to do with us. Are we going to debate why the OEM's only hire two factory riders instead of the old three or four because they say they don't have the money anymore. Anyone want to start a paypal for that? Geez. They will straighten it out.
Having a semi full of DOCTORS, NURSES, and a TRAUMA SURGEON all positioned around the track or one or two ambulance's across the park. I think I know which one I want on hand and responding to me. I know many EMT's and have tons of respect for them, but having a semi where you can get immediate treatment from people who deal with the same riders and conditions each week is a little more comforting.
5/26/2014 11:42pm Edited Date/Time 5/27/2014 12:00am
Quote from From Eddie Casillas " To think that up until a week prior to the start of the Glen Helen national the Asterisk Mobile Medical Center was not going. There were some individuals who thought the cost of our team being there was too much"

OK then WHO said the cost was too much ? I think the Asterisk truck should be there, but I would also want to examine the cost and look at expenses just like anything else. Who pays for it now ? Who are the person's who think it costs too much ? who is paying the bill now ? I think it will be funded by someone because its very respected but if there is a person or persons who are making waves then name them. Maybe it is over priced, maybe someone else could do more for less but put it out there first and check out all the options.
5/26/2014 11:51pm
yzken250x wrote:
Here is my solution. Add $1 to ticket prices and that $1 goes towards keeping the rig at every round. 40,000 people at every round will...
Here is my solution. Add $1 to ticket prices and that $1 goes towards keeping the rig at every round. 40,000 people at every round will generate lots of money. That's just my $.02. I would have no problem forking over another dollar knowing it went to something like this.
And then add another $1 for the privateers,and another $1 for new restrooms etc etc and then a ticket is $100 ,bad part is everyone wants to add a dollar for their cause and wants everyone else to pay it. $1 per ticket does not seem like much but there are other ways to fund worth wild projects other than adding to the ticket price. I bet now that the funding problems have been put out for everyone to see, a solution will be found.
5/27/2014 12:13am
Where is Ping?

As an ex pro rider, current recreational rider, and a qualified paramedic/fireman/first responder, he is probably in the best position to comment on this issue.
5/27/2014 12:21am Edited Date/Time 5/27/2014 12:23am
Where is Ping? As an ex pro rider, current recreational rider, and a qualified paramedic/fireman/first responder, he is probably in the best position to comment on...
Where is Ping?

As an ex pro rider, current recreational rider, and a qualified paramedic/fireman/first responder, he is probably in the best position to comment on this issue.
So how does that qualify him on how to pay for it ? I am sure he will say the same thing everyone is saying. The problem isn't how good it is because I think the consensus is they are the best in the business and I would agree, the problem is how do they pay for it ?
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5/27/2014 12:32am
Is it called Asterisk mobile medical center for the reason that the company Asterisk chips in plenty of money or is it actually a rig owned by Asterisk that is out there?
5/27/2014 12:44am
HenryA wrote:
Is it called Asterisk mobile medical center for the reason that the company Asterisk chips in plenty of money or is it actually a rig owned...
Is it called Asterisk mobile medical center for the reason that the company Asterisk chips in plenty of money or is it actually a rig owned by Asterisk that is out there?
I dont know who owns what or who pays the bills here is a link
http://asterisksuperpass.com/
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5/27/2014 12:56am
I just found a check for $120 that I thought I had sent Doc Bodnar TWO YEARS ago when I accurately predicted Stewart's Oakland win and collected twenty bucks each from six people. Didn't see him at GH when I went by but will give it to ever I see in an Asterisk shirt.

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