PED Testing For AMA Motocross

GuyB wrote:

I'm in favor of SAGED (Spelling And Grammar Enhancing Drugs). Some of you are in desparate need of them. Now.

TM100 wrote:

Shouldn't practice and training time be limited as well? Rich riders could practice more than poor boys that have to work so that would be an...

Shouldn't practice and training time be limited as well? Rich riders could practice more than poor boys that have to work so that would be an unfair advantage. Maybe congress will look into this soon.

UpTiTe wrote:

I've said it before, i'll say it again' motocross fans are a naïve bunch. If you don't think guys are doping when there's millions of dollars...

I've said it before, i'll say it again' motocross fans are a naïve bunch.

If you don't think guys are doping when there's millions of dollars at stake you're very naïve

Dezerted wrote:

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spagina767 wrote:

The only people who laugh about PED's, and downplay their (1) usage, (2) massive advantages vs a clean/ natural person, and (3) potential negative health effects...

The only people who laugh about PED's,
and downplay their (1) usage, (2) massive advantages vs a clean/ natural person, and (3) potential negative health effects, are those who sincerely lack education.

Educate yourself thoroughly on PED's and tell me that a top pro would not benefit from them... If you still say that, you are legitimately a stupid human being.

Spagina767 wrote:

The only people who laugh about PED's, and downplay their (1) usage, (2) massive advantages vs a clean/ natural person, and (3) potential negative health effects...

The only people who laugh about PED's,
and downplay their (1) usage, (2) massive advantages vs a clean/ natural person, and (3) potential negative health effects, are those who sincerely lack education.

Educate yourself thoroughly on PED's and tell me that a top pro would not benefit from them... If you still say that, you are legitimately a stupid human being.

Outsider wrote:

I haven't heard ANYBODY say that... what I have heard is a bunch of kooks trying to impress people by acting like they are experts. Hurts...

I haven't heard ANYBODY say that... what I have heard is a bunch of kooks trying to impress people by acting like they are experts.

Hurts my brain everytime

GuyB wrote:

I'm in favor of SAGED (Spelling And Grammar Enhancing Drugs). Some of you are in desparate need of them. Now.

121ANM wrote:

*desperate

mx695 wrote:

It's funny that a lot of people think PEDs is no big deal . If everyone knew the truth about which riders take PEDs (Professionals) would...

It's funny that a lot of people think PEDs is no big deal . If everyone knew the truth about which riders take PEDs (Professionals) would that change the minds of people maybe or maybe not . Its not my place to put the facts in place and speak the truth on someone else's career , When the Racing Organization lets them get away with it , they test for Supercross not Motocross . No one knows who I am or where I came or who I know or what Information I have that is concrete proof that would make our sport look sad . Some would say why do I care , because some people work hard bust there butts and put in the time and don't want to use PEDs and don't believe in them. Motocross/Supercross is a sport right ? . I've said what I wanted to say . There are Pros that use PEDs and it will come out and cannot be hidden forever and they will be exposed . I am not the only one who knows , a secret can only be kept for so long.

GoonSquad250x wrote:

Hello Jeff Alessi...

lostboy819 wrote:

Not enough misspelled words to be Jeff Alessi and he is dumb enough to put his own picture for his avatar even though he would be...

Not enough misspelled words to be Jeff Alessi and he is dumb enough to put his own picture for his avatar even though he would be incognito.

Spagina767 wrote:

No, but there are plenty of people acting like it is not a legitimate concern in the sport... I'd rather see people try to be an...

No, but there are plenty of people acting like it is not a legitimate concern in the sport... I'd rather see people try to be an expert than see someone turn a blind eye and laugh it off.

vanillaice782 wrote:

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Outsider wrote:

In a sport where guys are injured constantly and can be paralyzed or killed on any give night, it ISN'T a legitimate concern, IMO. It's like...

In a sport where guys are injured constantly and can be paralyzed or killed on any give night, it ISN'T a legitimate concern, IMO.

It's like Rock starting threads on PED's while being on PED's... stfu already!

The Rock wrote:

Thanks for pointing out you like everyone else is expressing an opinion. It is my opinion no one deserves a stfu just because you disagree. An...

Thanks for pointing out you like everyone else is expressing an opinion. It is my opinion no one deserves a stfu just because you disagree.

An additional thank you for including my
testosterone replacement therapy program I participated in at 57 (to deal with a health issue) in the same context of professional racers in their their teens and 20s using PEDs for competitive advantages.

Vanillaice782 thank you for contributing more than an opinion.

str8shooter wrote:

If its supposedly so prominent in the sport then how come no one here that "supposedly knows" and "knows who" will name names? .......and have balls...

If its supposedly so prominent in the sport then how come no one here that "supposedly knows" and "knows who" will name names? .......and have balls enough to at least make a valid attempt at getting them caught?
I mean really!!! If you're not going to do anything about it then why even bother bringing it up?.

The Rock wrote:

Exaggerate much sparky?. No one is crying for testing and I have never said anything about testing in SX. Nice job though steering the thread away...

Exaggerate much sparky?. No one is crying for testing and I have never said anything about testing in SX.

Nice job though steering the thread away from the OPs topic.

mx695 wrote:

It's funny that a lot of people think PEDs is no big deal . If everyone knew the truth about which riders take PEDs (Professionals) would...

It's funny that a lot of people think PEDs is no big deal . If everyone knew the truth about which riders take PEDs (Professionals) would that change the minds of people maybe or maybe not . Its not my place to put the facts in place and speak the truth on someone else's career , When the Racing Organization lets them get away with it , they test for Supercross not Motocross . No one knows who I am or where I came or who I know or what Information I have that is concrete proof that would make our sport look sad . Some would say why do I care , because some people work hard bust there butts and put in the time and don't want to use PEDs and don't believe in them. Motocross/Supercross is a sport right ? . I've said what I wanted to say . There are Pros that use PEDs and it will come out and cannot be hidden forever and they will be exposed . I am not the only one who knows , a secret can only be kept for so long.

str8shooter wrote:

If its supposedly so prominent in the sport then how come no one here that "supposedly knows" and "knows who" will name names? .......and have balls...

If its supposedly so prominent in the sport then how come no one here that "supposedly knows" and "knows who" will name names? .......and have balls enough to at least make a valid attempt at getting them caught?
I mean really!!! If you're not going to do anything about it then why even bother bringing it up?.

The Rock wrote:

If in fact testing doesn't work/isn't effective shouldn't WADA be disbanded? Is it all just window dressing or is there actually some legitimacy to WADA? UpTite-Optional...

If in fact testing doesn't work/isn't effective shouldn't WADA be disbanded? Is it all just window dressing or is there actually some legitimacy to WADA?

UpTite-Optional question: What years were you using PEDs in professional SX/MX?

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Predictably, you've put yourself forward again as the poster child of the shallow, unpragmatic thinking on this issue. The issue isn't the legitimacy of WADA's banned...

Predictably, you've put yourself forward again as the poster child of the shallow, unpragmatic thinking on this issue.

The issue isn't the legitimacy of WADA's banned substance list, or whether there is PED use in MX, or whether it should bother us or not.

The issue is whether our sport can economically support a testing regime for any given substance that actually is more than window dressing offered up to shut up simpletons who crow for testing without having any real sense of what that entails in a truly effective program.

One can't answer that question, or the question of WADA's "legitimacy," without being specific about what substances should be tested for to ferret out PED use in MX. Once that's done you can look at what sampling and testing that entails, the cost of testing individual samples as well as the required frequency for sampling to be meaningful rather than a PR crapshoot so that together you have a real and honest sense of the total cost per athlete. Then you can estimate how much it will cost to implement such a program. Once that's done, you can decide who is going to pay for that.

Some substances are easier to test for. WADA's testing for anabolic steroids by all accounts is in the ballpark, even if the organization still has trouble keeping up with the chemists trying to keep ahead of things. The efficacy of its testing for HGH and the ESA's like EPO is controversial, and the CAS has ruled in favor of athletes nullifying WADA sanctions holding that WADA has not established validity of its testing and thresholds for abuse, particularly with naturally occurring agents where WADA is attempting to distinguish between endogenous and exogenous origin of a sampling result.

So, at best, the efficacy of testing is questionable for the substances people speculate the most about as being relevant to MX (recovery and endurance). We're talking about tests that run in the hundreds or thousands of dollars each sample (blood or urine depending on the substance) for each athlete, and to be fair all qualifying athletes ought to be tested, not just some random hat pull of a few guys now and then on the notion that people will be deterred because they might be (1) one of the few sampled (2) while they are in use. That's the current system, which really is not that good at either deterring or catching violators on the sorts of substances you'd expect to see in MX. Realistically, folks have to grapple with a program that would almost certainly cost into the millions if it were effective rather than just some intermittent show sampling, and ask themselves who would pay for it and whether the sport can economically absorb that.

When someone is prepared to discuss what the sport ought to do in that context, having done some homework, fair enough. The discussions on this board, however, are redundant and useless at best, and defamatory at worst when it lapses into the sort of speculation people offer about why a particular rider performs well. Simply crying about PED use without thinking through the issue doesn't do a damn thing.

Anyone that wants to spend time better understanding the issue rather than just talking shit can start here, but it's not the only place.

http://www.lawinsport.com/articles/anti-doping

The Rock wrote:

Exaggerate much sparky?. No one is crying for testing and I have never said anything about testing in SX. Nice job though steering the thread away...

Exaggerate much sparky?. No one is crying for testing and I have never said anything about testing in SX.

Nice job though steering the thread away from the OPs topic.

Outsider wrote:

Really? You weren't calling for testing? Hmmmm..