Presidential candidate with IQ of 133?

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I am wanting my license, but cant justify it without the hopes of someway making money by having it... Is it worth it to get? Any...
I am wanting my license, but cant justify it without the hopes of someway making money by having it... Is it worth it to get? Any careers out there for someone to go get the license and work right away?
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What I've been told........and some of the pilots on here can certainly correct me..........that the requirements for flight hours are so high for the commercial carriers........that...
What I've been told........and some of the pilots on here can certainly correct me..........that the requirements for flight hours are so high for the commercial carriers........that the only realistic path is the military.

I understand that it is possible to pursue a career as a civilian.......but it's extremely hard to get a job flying at an entry level that will allow you to accumulate the flight time needed to move up.

I personally know three guys that are commercial airline pilots that did not go the military route.
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I am wanting my license, but cant justify it without the hopes of someway making money by having it... Is it worth it to get? Any...
I am wanting my license, but cant justify it without the hopes of someway making money by having it... Is it worth it to get? Any careers out there for someone to go get the license and work right away?
xewbx wrote:
What I've been told........and some of the pilots on here can certainly correct me..........that the requirements for flight hours are so high for the commercial carriers........that...
What I've been told........and some of the pilots on here can certainly correct me..........that the requirements for flight hours are so high for the commercial carriers........that the only realistic path is the military.

I understand that it is possible to pursue a career as a civilian.......but it's extremely hard to get a job flying at an entry level that will allow you to accumulate the flight time needed to move up.

I was just speaking with a co-worker about this last Friday. He said the exact same thing; that without military service its almost impossible to attain the amount of hours needed. He said he has his license, but to even apply and have a realistic chance of getting hired, he would have to log an insane number of hours. He said he was flying a couple times a week for at least a few hours at a time and it took him well over a year to rack up the 600 hours that he had. If I remember correctly he said they wanted him to have 3000 hours.
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How about this for a low blow... McCain wasn't really that good of a pilot, was he? I wonder if that had anything to do with "intelligence."

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I think that is the one and only IQ (Intelligence Quotient) scale. There are other ways of measuring intelligence but I don't think the resulting scale...
I think that is the one and only IQ (Intelligence Quotient) scale. There are other ways of measuring intelligence but I don't think the resulting scale would be called "IQ". Certainly could be wrong about that.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/IQ_scale_rates
Straight from that page:

"IQ scales can differ from each other (Americans use scales with IQ values above 200), but the mean value of most scales is an IQ of 100. This represents normal intelligence."

So without knowing the scale of the particular test any result other than 100 will have varying degrees of accuracy. 133 could be a near genius, or it could be just above average.

Ive taken enough of those tests over the years and my scores have varied by nearly 40 points depending on the test.

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Straight from that page: "IQ scales can differ from each other (Americans use scales with IQ values above 200), but the mean value of most scales...
Straight from that page:

"IQ scales can differ from each other (Americans use scales with IQ values above 200), but the mean value of most scales is an IQ of 100. This represents normal intelligence."

So without knowing the scale of the particular test any result other than 100 will have varying degrees of accuracy. 133 could be a near genius, or it could be just above average.

Ive taken enough of those tests over the years and my scores have varied by nearly 40 points depending on the test.
100 is considered average when you talk about IQ tests... IQ is based on a bell curve with 100 being average, above you are smarter than the average bear, under, well, that sucks. It is a statistical thing.

We are talking a legit test given by the military in this case. 132 is the top 2% of the national intelligence. Before everyone gets all excited and starts talking about how smart john boy is, I tested in the top 2%.
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182 William J. Clinton (D)

Could you tell me the definition of 'is' is?

LMAO - I will go with that. He was a smart enough cookie to get out of that, the land scandal, and all the other thievery's that were pinned on him. Nothing a convent accident or accidental suicidal couldn't have taken care of.
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tcannon521 wrote:
I am wanting my license, but cant justify it without the hopes of someway making money by having it... Is it worth it to get? Any...
I am wanting my license, but cant justify it without the hopes of someway making money by having it... Is it worth it to get? Any careers out there for someone to go get the license and work right away?
how old are you? Flying for the airlines right now is a dead end--layoffs are coming. United is already planning layoffs (i think they have already started).

If you can go military it's a much better deal, but you will most likely start out flying puddle jumpers for minimum wage or less (20k a year sound good to you?) when you come out of the military.

If you could get it, flying boxes is probably the best gig in town, but those jobs are highly coveted.

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Are you sure they would agree with you? I do not know exactly what the requirements were when McCain became a pilot but I do know...
Are you sure they would agree with you? I do not know exactly what the requirements were when McCain became a pilot but I do know what the requirements were to become an Air Force pilot less than 10 years after the Vietnam war and I would guess Navy requirements were similar. To start with you'll need a 4 year degree, then pass the tests to get into OTS, pass OTS (or go to the Academy). Depending on your GPA, class standing, AFOQT scores etc will determine if you might get a chance at flight school. Then of course you have to actually make it through flight school which certainly is no cakewalk. The bottom of the class is still many notches above your "average Joe". It's definitely not an easy task and there are no shortcuts that I am aware of.
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Let's break this down in to simplest terms. When you come out of the Academy, your graduating position affects your opportunities. Graduating almost last does not...
Let's break this down in to simplest terms. When you come out of the Academy, your graduating position affects your opportunities. Graduating almost last does not get you a position as a fighter pilot very often, I would bet on that.

Those are generally the most coveted selections. At 894 of 897 you take what you are offered generally.
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I don't really know what the path is from Naval Academy to flight school to fighter pilot is........and of course that graduating class was the whole...
I don't really know what the path is from Naval Academy to flight school to fighter pilot is........and of course that graduating class was the whole class, not just those going onto flight (my understanding anyway).

The only path to the academies that I know of that do not require competing in the appointment process is if you are the child of a CMH holder.

Also, your academy performance does not impact your future training path. After the academy, you go to flight school.......which means you meet the physical requirements (eyesight nocks out about 2/3 of the people right off the bat). Before the navy flight school, you have to have a civilian pilot's license for single seat. After the first part of flight training, then you get assigned your career path (fixed wing, rotor wing, jet, prop, whatever), then after that..........you get your final path (fighter, cargo hauler, whatever). Or so it's been explained to me.

Even if he was at the bottom of his Academy class......he still had to be on the ball to make it into the flight program. And he did well enough in that to go onto fighters.

I don't know.........I've met and worked with officers from the top of their class from a service academy that were a waste of 2 pair of boots.......and I've worked with officers that were commisioned out of ROTC from po dunk shit colleges nobody ever heard of........who were phenomenal leaders. I don't put much into it one way or the other......besides the fact that just graduating from the academy, and flight school is a hell of an accomplishment in and of itself and more than most people do in their lives.......but I discount it as either a positive or a negative regarding his ability to be a president.

We've had great presidents that never saw the military, and we've had shitty presidents that had plenty of military service. While I prefer a vet (a real one, like Bob Dole), I don't discount an individual based on that alone.

Funny how none of the McCain got where he is because of daddy responded to this.
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With regards to McCain's flight career and service. It is what it is. Doesn't really matter how he got it. He served and suffered a sh!tload with a lot of honor. I'm good with that and have no criticism in that area.
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txmxer wrote:
With regards to McCain's flight career and service. It is what it is. Doesn't really matter how he got it. He served and suffered a sh!tload...
With regards to McCain's flight career and service. It is what it is. Doesn't really matter how he got it. He served and suffered a sh!tload with a lot of honor. I'm good with that and have no criticism in that area.
I'm just getting tired of BonePoney not caring about facts as long as it's something bad about a republican he loves it but if it's something bad about a democrat he calls it a lie. I'm also sick of horndog doing the same but on the right side.
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txmxer wrote:
With regards to McCain's flight career and service. It is what it is. Doesn't really matter how he got it. He served and suffered a sh!tload...
With regards to McCain's flight career and service. It is what it is. Doesn't really matter how he got it. He served and suffered a sh!tload with a lot of honor. I'm good with that and have no criticism in that area.
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Jabjr222 wrote:
100 is considered average when you talk about IQ tests... IQ is based on a bell curve with 100 being average, above you are smarter than...
100 is considered average when you talk about IQ tests... IQ is based on a bell curve with 100 being average, above you are smarter than the average bear, under, well, that sucks. It is a statistical thing.

We are talking a legit test given by the military in this case. 132 is the top 2% of the national intelligence. Before everyone gets all excited and starts talking about how smart john boy is, I tested in the top 2%.
I test well within that percentile myself.

and I'm dumb as a stump, derr....
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txmxer wrote:
With regards to McCain's flight career and service. It is what it is. Doesn't really matter how he got it. He served and suffered a sh!tload...
With regards to McCain's flight career and service. It is what it is. Doesn't really matter how he got it. He served and suffered a sh!tload with a lot of honor. I'm good with that and have no criticism in that area.
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I'm just getting tired of BonePoney not caring about facts as long as it's something bad about a republican he loves it but if it's something...
I'm just getting tired of BonePoney not caring about facts as long as it's something bad about a republican he loves it but if it's something bad about a democrat he calls it a lie. I'm also sick of horndog doing the same but on the right side.
agreed. I realized I was allowing myself to say some things I don't really know as a fact--how McCain became a fight pilot. So, I figured it was best to bow out.


To Xewbx statement, I'm pretty sure your performance at the Academy is relevant to the particular areas available to a Cadet when they graduate. Put it another way, if you graduate #1 in your class and are otherwise qualified to be a pilot, I'm pretty sure you get that opportunity. And since everything is based on the number of slots available, if you get to pick last, you get what's leftover. Atleast that was my reasoning. I could be wrong.

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I am not going to pretend to know much about this subject, but my friend was a pilot in the navy and he talked about this sevral times to people that ask him about it so I heard the convo a 100 times. He explained to me that who you know doesnt get you in fighter jets it has everything to do with how you perform in flight school and in order to get into flight school you have to be at the top 10% of your OTS. If your in the top ten you then applie to flight school. During fkight school they determin what your qualified to fly, if anything, whether it be a fighter jet or a cargo plane.
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Descriptive Classifications of Intelligence Quotients

IQ Description % of Population
130+ Very superior 2.2%
120-129 Superior 6.7%
110-119 High average 16.1%
90-109 Average 50%
80-89 Low average 16.1%
70-79 Borderline 6.7%
Below 70 Extremely low 2.2%


http://iq-test.learninginfo.org/iq04.htm
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Bullshit, he crashed about 5 of 'em...2 changing the radio station, 1 on his cell phone, 1 waving at some chicks, and 1 from a dropped cigarette in his lap..
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My brother was a Cobra/Apache pilot for the Army. They took the top two graduates of 50 from flight school for the attack helicopter school. I'd image the fighter jet programs of the other military branches have similar requirements.

He's a Citation X pilot for Net Jets now. He did all his fixed wing jet training privately.

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forest gump did pretty good and he was an idiot!
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CR250Rider wrote:
Descriptive Classifications of Intelligence Quotients IQ Description % of Population 130+ Very superior 2.2% 120-129 Superior 6.7% 110-119 High average 16.1% 90-109 Average 50% 80-89 Low...

Descriptive Classifications of Intelligence Quotients

IQ Description % of Population
130+ Very superior 2.2%
120-129 Superior 6.7%
110-119 High average 16.1%
90-109 Average 50%
80-89 Low average 16.1%
70-79 Borderline 6.7%
Below 70 Extremely low 2.2%


http://iq-test.learninginfo.org/iq04.htm
This would be the commonly accepted IQ scale. Some of you guys are way off on what you think an "average" IQ is. Einstein was 162. Genius starts around 140.
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CR250Rider wrote:
would rank him among the most intelligent Presidents in history....


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Damn it would seem I am smart according to this.
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CamP 9/22/2008 9:32pm
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Here's a fun little mensa warm up test. I got 24 but made two dumb mistakes from going too fast.

http://www.mensa.org/workout2.php?
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CamP wrote:
Here's a fun little mensa warm up test. I got 24 but made two dumb mistakes from going too fast.

http://www.mensa.org/workout2.php?
ever take the GRE? The math/science portion is simplistic IMO. Aced it. Guessed at the English portion and did well. Got a letter from Mensa saying I qualified to join. Obviously, it's not that tough! HAR!
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CamP wrote:
Here's a fun little mensa warm up test. I got 24 but made two dumb mistakes from going too fast.

http://www.mensa.org/workout2.php?
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ever take the GRE? The math/science portion is simplistic IMO. Aced it. Guessed at the English portion and did well. Got a letter from Mensa saying...
ever take the GRE? The math/science portion is simplistic IMO. Aced it. Guessed at the English portion and did well. Got a letter from Mensa saying I qualified to join. Obviously, it's not that tough! HAR!
No, I took the GMAT for MBA school. I did ok considering I spent the previous night doing Petron shots. I don't know what I was thinking but I got in despite myself.
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CR250Rider wrote:
would rank him among the most intelligent Presidents in history....


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Dude, there is more than one test. They are graded on different scales.

You're trying to say getting 85 questions right on a test is the same result, no matter if there's 100 questions to answer or a 150.

An IQ test result is not the same as saying you got 95% right. The IQ number is based upon the specific scale the test is applied to. That scale can vary from test to test. Sometimes Genius level is lower and sometimes it's higher. They can be scored from 0-180 or from 0-240 or even higher. How can throwing a number out there without knowing the test it came from have any real bearing?

If you take the same engine and put it on two different dynos. One that measures rear wheel horsepower and one that measures it at the crank. Which number do you take? Is the same number applicable to both, or are the tests different enough to warrant interpreting the numbers independently.

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