2015 RMZ450

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I don't know this for a fact but have read from people in the know that setting up a bike is not one of Stewarts strong points. He benefited from Ferry sorting out the Kawi, Reed on the first blue bike, when he got the new blue bike he floundered, and then got a Suzuki sorted out by RC, Reed, and Dungey. If Suzuki has an all new 2015 what happens? He has no teammate as of now and if he does it may be his brother. If Kenny is at RCH I can't see the guy being groomed a little by RV helping out. Could the train fall back off the tracks?
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jonesaustin 3/30/2014 9:07am
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if Suzuki builds a screaming new RMZ, one that looks next gen like a KTM rather than these heavy looking relics from Japan, that will be a great start. plastic contour, ergonomics, and color schemes of a bike have an intense, subliminal affect on the mind. just like music affects mood, so does aesthetic. it will take time to dial in, but if it's a badass bike in how it looks and feels, that will be a huge advantage. it needs to be something as drastic as the 1990 KX line -- "a new day has arrived" design. the YZ just lacks that appeal, the innovations on it are super trick, but it doesn't "look" mean, lean, and screaming fast. it went backward in that department.
FlickitFlat 3/30/2014 9:11am
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Who set up all those factory KX125's that he was so insanely fast on? Who set up the bike that he perfected the scrub on?
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jeffro503 3/30/2014 9:38am
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I think James has gotten better on relaying setups to his mechanics. His bike has looked great this year ( especially these last few rounds ) . I would also think since the bike hasn't had any " Major " changes , that setups from 2013 and 2012 could be used as a baseline some what. The 2015....is that supposed to be a completely new bike?
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RandyS 3/30/2014 9:52am
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FlickitFlat wrote:
Who set up all those factory KX125's that he was so insanely fast on? Who set up the bike that he perfected the scrub on?
Such hostility, I just asked a question. And Kawasaki has a team called Pro Circuit, I think they did a little development on the 125.

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You can thank RG3 for dialing in James' current suspension set-up.
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BigDaddyG 3/30/2014 10:07am
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Factory Suzuki still has RC in the fold, how do you think RCH is getting what they have? RC is still setting up bikes for them, I see him sharing settings with Factory Suzuki.
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wow123 3/30/2014 10:13am
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FlickitFlat wrote:
Who set up all those factory KX125's that he was so insanely fast on? Who set up the bike that he perfected the scrub on?
pinning a 125 is a lot different to riding a current 450

and had stewie been able to move around 3 classes like in the past, things could have been a lot different

who wouldn't want to see js7 in a modern 125 race?
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Moto Soul Mag 3/30/2014 10:25am
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FlickitFlat wrote:
Who set up all those factory KX125's that he was so insanely fast on? Who set up the bike that he perfected the scrub on?
RC. Just like the Suzuki.

Pastrana is also supposed to be a terrible tester. When you have that much raw speed you could jump on an old CZ and still fly.
FlickitFlat 3/30/2014 1:57pm
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FlickitFlat wrote:
Who set up all those factory KX125's that he was so insanely fast on? Who set up the bike that he perfected the scrub on?
RandyS wrote:
Such hostility, I just asked a question. And Kawasaki has a team called Pro Circuit, I think they did a little development on the 125.
Hostility? Your jigging your line a little hard. I just asked a question also. James didn't ride for Pro Circuit. There was no immediate factory 125 team before him. So who did his testing on that bike? It seemed to be set up pretty damn good.
FlickitFlat 3/30/2014 1:59pm
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FlickitFlat wrote:
Who set up all those factory KX125's that he was so insanely fast on? Who set up the bike that he perfected the scrub on?
wow123 wrote:
pinning a 125 is a lot different to riding a current 450 and had stewie been able to move around 3 classes like in the past...
pinning a 125 is a lot different to riding a current 450

and had stewie been able to move around 3 classes like in the past, things could have been a lot different

who wouldn't want to see js7 in a modern 125 race?
I have not a clue what you are trying to say.
FlickitFlat 3/30/2014 2:01pm
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FlickitFlat wrote:
Who set up all those factory KX125's that he was so insanely fast on? Who set up the bike that he perfected the scrub on?
Moto Soul Mag wrote:
RC. Just like the Suzuki. Pastrana is also supposed to be a terrible tester. When you have that much raw speed you could jump on an...
RC. Just like the Suzuki.

Pastrana is also supposed to be a terrible tester. When you have that much raw speed you could jump on an old CZ and still fly.
RC rode for Pro Circuit not Factory Kawasaki.
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DownSouth 3/30/2014 2:18pm
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BigDaddyG wrote:
Factory Suzuki still has RC in the fold, how do you think RCH is getting what they have? RC is still setting up bikes for them...
Factory Suzuki still has RC in the fold, how do you think RCH is getting what they have? RC is still setting up bikes for them, I see him sharing settings with Factory Suzuki.
RCH and Stewrats bike are not the same, RCH gets factory parts but they are working on different platforms. According to Tony Berlutti RCH uses the 2014 frame for Tickle and Hill while JS uses the older frame.
mototed82 3/30/2014 2:28pm
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What's to say the bike he's doing so well on isn't a 15 bike underneath anyway
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DownSouth 3/30/2014 2:40pm
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mototed82 wrote:
What's to say the bike he's doing so well on isn't a 15 bike underneath anyway
The people who know have said he runs and older model year frame. Your theory would have Suzuki bringing back an old chassis design for 2015 because a pro rider likes it.

It seems Honda has taught us that motocross bikes are not specifically designed for what a pro rider wants as their top riders have had issues with their 2009 and 2013 redesigns. They build the bike for the general public and try to adapt that platform to pro riders.
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ML512 3/30/2014 3:22pm
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Dsigner wrote:
You can thank RG3 for dialing in James' current suspension set-up.
I'll pat Todd Brown on the back first.
motoarmageddon 3/30/2014 4:19pm
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How do we know Stewart cant set up a bike? From the videos of his testing Ive seen, he seems decent enough. When Kawasaki came out with toothed chain rollers, they said that Bubba felt that they worked better...a chain roller! I think someone as fast as him should have some pretty good feel of what the bike is doing.
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cd0583 3/30/2014 5:27pm
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hes been around long enough..believe me, he know
mototed82 3/31/2014 2:39am
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DownSouth wrote:
The people who know have said he runs and older model year frame. Your theory would have Suzuki bringing back an old chassis design for 2015...
The people who know have said he runs and older model year frame. Your theory would have Suzuki bringing back an old chassis design for 2015 because a pro rider likes it.

It seems Honda has taught us that motocross bikes are not specifically designed for what a pro rider wants as their top riders have had issues with their 2009 and 2013 redesigns. They build the bike for the general public and try to adapt that platform to pro riders.
They are hardly going to say it's pre production now are they lol

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wow123 3/31/2014 3:34am
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FlickitFlat wrote:
Who set up all those factory KX125's that he was so insanely fast on? Who set up the bike that he perfected the scrub on?
wow123 wrote:
pinning a 125 is a lot different to riding a current 450 and had stewie been able to move around 3 classes like in the past...
pinning a 125 is a lot different to riding a current 450

and had stewie been able to move around 3 classes like in the past, things could have been a lot different

who wouldn't want to see js7 in a modern 125 race?
FlickitFlat wrote:
I have not a clue what you are trying to say.
I understand you're a bit clueless.
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jonesaustin wrote:
if Suzuki builds a screaming new RMZ, one that looks next gen like a KTM rather than these heavy looking relics from Japan, that will be...
if Suzuki builds a screaming new RMZ, one that looks next gen like a KTM rather than these heavy looking relics from Japan, that will be a great start. plastic contour, ergonomics, and color schemes of a bike have an intense, subliminal affect on the mind. just like music affects mood, so does aesthetic. it will take time to dial in, but if it's a badass bike in how it looks and feels, that will be a huge advantage. it needs to be something as drastic as the 1990 KX line -- "a new day has arrived" design. the YZ just lacks that appeal, the innovations on it are super trick, but it doesn't "look" mean, lean, and screaming fast. it went backward in that department.
You are kidding right? You actually believe that?

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Sober Shteve 3/31/2014 4:47am
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If there is a brand new 2015 model coming are there usually big price drops on previous year models?, here in Australia i got myself a 2013 rmz450 last september for $10,300, now in march the 13 model has gone down to $8,500 and the 14 model is $9,500.
The 14 model retail is usually around $11,800.
Seems to me they are trying to sell them off quick and cheap for the all new model coming which I'm hoping there is.
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Big Lenny 3/31/2014 8:32am
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RandyS wrote:
I don't know this for a fact but have read from people in the know that setting up a bike is not one of Stewarts strong...
I don't know this for a fact but have read from people in the know that setting up a bike is not one of Stewarts strong points. He benefited from Ferry sorting out the Kawi, Reed on the first blue bike, when he got the new blue bike he floundered, and then got a Suzuki sorted out by RC, Reed, and Dungey. If Suzuki has an all new 2015 what happens? He has no teammate as of now and if he does it may be his brother. If Kenny is at RCH I can't see the guy being groomed a little by RV helping out. Could the train fall back off the tracks?
James said he set up his Kawi and if you look at any of the Yoshi vids you'll see he has a lot of input with the team, plus he's constantly saying they make adjustments during raceday, so who on that team is able to ride fast enough to know what's better for him?..
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Cygnus 3/31/2014 8:41am
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FlickitFlat wrote:
Who set up all those factory KX125's that he was so insanely fast on? Who set up the bike that he perfected the scrub on?
Moto Soul Mag wrote:
RC. Just like the Suzuki. Pastrana is also supposed to be a terrible tester. When you have that much raw speed you could jump on an...
RC. Just like the Suzuki.

Pastrana is also supposed to be a terrible tester. When you have that much raw speed you could jump on an old CZ and still fly.
FlickitFlat wrote:
RC rode for Pro Circuit not Factory Kawasaki.
Not on the 250. Just like James.
TriRacer27 3/31/2014 9:48am
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He'll be fine. The guys on the Yoshimura squad know what they're doing.
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BigDaddyG wrote:
Factory Suzuki still has RC in the fold, how do you think RCH is getting what they have? RC is still setting up bikes for them...
Factory Suzuki still has RC in the fold, how do you think RCH is getting what they have? RC is still setting up bikes for them, I see him sharing settings with Factory Suzuki.
RC is probably 10 seconds a lap slower than Stewart and has a totally different riding style. Even if he tried to, he couldn't bring his weight over the front like Stewart does, because his belly would be in his way.....how could his settings help a current Top rider
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GuyB 3/31/2014 10:22am
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Dsigner wrote:
You can thank RG3 for dialing in James' current suspension set-up.
Yep. (It's nice to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about.) Wink

He also doesn't have to ride a current frame. In fact, I think if you looked really closely right now, you'd notice that he's not on a '14.
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JM485 3/31/2014 10:23am
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BigDaddyG wrote:
Factory Suzuki still has RC in the fold, how do you think RCH is getting what they have? RC is still setting up bikes for them...
Factory Suzuki still has RC in the fold, how do you think RCH is getting what they have? RC is still setting up bikes for them, I see him sharing settings with Factory Suzuki.
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RC is probably 10 seconds a lap slower than Stewart and has a totally different riding style. Even if he tried to, he couldn't bring his...
RC is probably 10 seconds a lap slower than Stewart and has a totally different riding style. Even if he tried to, he couldn't bring his weight over the front like Stewart does, because his belly would be in his way.....how could his settings help a current Top rider
I highly doubt he is ten seconds a lap slower. I'm sure he couldn't maintain that pace for nearly as long, since he no longer has to train, but that doesn't just go away. I can't imagine how a past champion could help his team set up a bike, what a crazy idea, and to think someone would thing that could work (heavy sarcasm).

Nice bait though, I'm sure you will get a few more bites.
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ME686 3/31/2014 11:06am
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Dsigner wrote:
You can thank RG3 for dialing in James' current suspension set-up.
GuyB wrote:
Yep. (It's nice to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about.) ;) He also doesn't have to ride a current frame. In fact, I...
Yep. (It's nice to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about.) Wink

He also doesn't have to ride a current frame. In fact, I think if you looked really closely right now, you'd notice that he's not on a '14.
2012 frame? Can they run modified swing arms or do they have to retrofit an oem part# like geico does with the 08 arm on the new frame? Do these new aluminum frames get reinforced or gusseted like the steelies of past? Always been curious!
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GuyB 3/31/2014 11:14am
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2012 frame? Can they run modified swing arms or do they have to retrofit an oem part# like geico does with the 08 arm on the...
2012 frame? Can they run modified swing arms or do they have to retrofit an oem part# like geico does with the 08 arm on the new frame? Do these new aluminum frames get reinforced or gusseted like the steelies of past? Always been curious!
I think you might be right on that one. The big difference is the stays at the front of the frame. Some flex different than others. I think Mike Alessi prefers older models for the same reason. It's a bigger issue for the people who ride hard enough to tell the difference. Not so much for average consumers.

If I was going to guess, I'd guess that more material gets removed than added.
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ME686 3/31/2014 11:21am
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ME686 wrote:
2012 frame? Can they run modified swing arms or do they have to retrofit an oem part# like geico does with the 08 arm on the...
2012 frame? Can they run modified swing arms or do they have to retrofit an oem part# like geico does with the 08 arm on the new frame? Do these new aluminum frames get reinforced or gusseted like the steelies of past? Always been curious!
GuyB wrote:
I think you might be right on that one. The big difference is the stays at the front of the frame. Some flex different than others...
I think you might be right on that one. The big difference is the stays at the front of the frame. Some flex different than others. I think Mike Alessi prefers older models for the same reason. It's a bigger issue for the people who ride hard enough to tell the difference. Not so much for average consumers.

If I was going to guess, I'd guess that more material gets removed than added.
Gotcha, thanks! On a side note, I'm saving my pennies for the 15'!

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