What if RC had said that James hasn't lived up to his potential..

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Edited Date/Time 3/3/2014 10:01am
Because he crashes too much?

Would it have been as well received as him saying that MA800 hasn't lived up to his, because of poor decisions?
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2/27/2014 10:48am
I think we all know James could have / should have won more titles through his career. But even with the amount of championships and O/A wins he has had.....he'll still go down as a legend and one of the best this sport has ever seen. I think even RC would agree with that.
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BTW....MA800 is a great rider....so I mean no disrespect here. But he is in no way , shape or form a comparable rider to someone like James. You are comparing a guy who won a dang heat race.....to a guy who sits in 3rd on the all time SX wins and multi-time champion.
2/27/2014 10:57am
I'd say 24-0 is living up to his potential. Sure he should have had a few more SX championships, but 24-0. I mean damn.
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2/27/2014 10:59am
I think Mikes worst decisions have been to keep his dad around as his advisor.

Tearing down a factory Suzuki shock and other antics have blacklisted Mike. As we know now, Tony is totally whacko and Mike not breaking away from that is his worst decision, on track or off.

Mike should have had real professionals manage his career and not his nutty dad.

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2/27/2014 10:59am
Huck, is this stink bait rotten chicken livers? Or did you go with something more exotic?
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Well known stink bait......but for me , I felt like I needed to reply.
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2/27/2014 11:09am
GuyB wrote:
Huck, is this stink bait rotten chicken livers? Or did you go with something more exotic?
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2/27/2014 11:09am
jeffro503 wrote:
Well known stink bait......but for me , I felt like I needed to reply.
It was partially stink bait...and partially a legit question....
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2/27/2014 11:12am
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2/27/2014 11:12am
RC was obviously fired up and venting.
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2/27/2014 11:15am
Brent wrote:
I think Mikes worst decisions have been to keep his dad around as his advisor. Tearing down a factory Suzuki shock and other antics have blacklisted...
I think Mikes worst decisions have been to keep his dad around as his advisor.

Tearing down a factory Suzuki shock and other antics have blacklisted Mike. As we know now, Tony is totally whacko and Mike not breaking away from that is his worst decision, on track or off.

Mike should have had real professionals manage his career and not his nutty dad.
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2/27/2014 11:21am
I would say that comparing Stewart with Alessi is something I cannot even grasp. Never won a supercross to someone who is 3rd in all time SX wins is not quite a good comparison.

But anyway, it would be the same, RC stated his opinion about Alessi and he would be doing the same if he had said it about JS7. Nothing more.
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2/27/2014 11:23am
huck wrote:
Because he crashes too much?

Would it have been as well received as him saying that MA800 hasn't lived up to his, because of poor decisions?
I think folks would have a much bigger reason to question that hypothetical statement than the statement that Carmichael actually made.

Don't you agree?
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2/27/2014 11:31am
huck wrote:
Because he crashes too much?

Would it have been as well received as him saying that MA800 hasn't lived up to his, because of poor decisions?
APLMAN99 wrote:
I think folks would have a much bigger reason to question that hypothetical statement than the statement that Carmichael actually made.

Don't you agree?
Not necessarily...

Had James not crashed as much, he could have easily had many more titles.
When James came up from the 125...he had the 'potential' to pass every SX record there was.
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2/27/2014 11:43am
My opinion is that the girl peelout posted squats.
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2/27/2014 11:45am
Yea but Alessi is in that position because of the "decisions" he's made. Do you think James "decides" to crash? BIg differences. I'm just going to nibble on the bait, not take the whole hook...
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2/27/2014 11:49am
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My opinion is that the girl peelout posted squats.
I agree. I swear my gf's biggest fear is "no-squat butt". I must say squats are indeed important for body shape Wink
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2/27/2014 11:54am
GuyB wrote:
RC was obviously fired up and venting.
I'd say Mike got off easy with what RC said. I'm sure RC had a shotgun comment he wanted to drop on MA at the moment.
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2/27/2014 11:56am
SEE ARE125 wrote:
I'd say 24-0 is living up to his potential. Sure he should have had a few more SX championships, but 24-0. I mean damn.
A feat only accomplished by either being the fastest or the competition is out hurt.

I'll let you decide which circumstance 7 won in.
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2/27/2014 11:57am
GuyB wrote:
RC was obviously fired up and venting.
IWreckALot wrote:
I'd say Mike got off easy with what RC said. I'm sure RC had a shotgun comment he wanted to drop on MA at the moment.
RC and Mark Johnson from RCH spent a rather long time in the AMA truck after the race.
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2/27/2014 11:57am
SEE ARE125 wrote:
I'd say 24-0 is living up to his potential. Sure he should have had a few more SX championships, but 24-0. I mean damn.
TRON wrote:
A feat only accomplished by either being the fastest or the competition is out hurt.

I'll let you decide which circumstance 7 won in.
Welcome to the internet, where even a 24-0 motocross season is not impressive.
2/27/2014 12:03pm
GuyB wrote:
RC was obviously fired up and venting.
RC can vent as a owner/manager or rider. As a commentator, it was a cheap shot to degrade Alessi. What was it, the PED allegations? Did RC's Dad ever have a pit fight with Mike's Dad? Did Alessi ever take a championship away from RC? Alessi doesn't have the factory connections like RC has but he did put his non-factory supported Suzuki into 6th place in the Main Event.
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2/27/2014 12:29pm
RC can vent as a owner/manager or rider. As a commentator, it was a cheap shot to degrade Alessi. What was it, the PED allegations? Did...
RC can vent as a owner/manager or rider. As a commentator, it was a cheap shot to degrade Alessi. What was it, the PED allegations? Did RC's Dad ever have a pit fight with Mike's Dad? Did Alessi ever take a championship away from RC? Alessi doesn't have the factory connections like RC has but he did put his non-factory supported Suzuki into 6th place in the Main Event.
For the record it would have been Meanie Jeanie in the hypothetical pit fight with Tony. She ain't scurrd.
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2/27/2014 1:15pm
I think RC made a valid point. The hype (sorry had to say it) surrounding both riders when they transitioned from the amateur ranks was fairly equal. The number of championships, race wins, podiums, top 10 finishes, moto wins etc have been far less equal.

There will be some who argue that JS7 hasn't met his potential either but by comparison........he shines.

A fair statement by RC even if it was made when emotions were running high.
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2/27/2014 2:05pm Edited Date/Time 2/27/2014 2:10pm
Imagine if you took a poll of every living racer who made a premier class main in SX (ie...ask the guys who can judge best). Ask them:

Hypothetical SX situation:
-RC at his best.
-RV at his best
-Chad at his best
-James at his best
-McGrath at his best
All on equal equipment, dialed and set up for them, for that night. Who wins?

I am sure the each rider would get some votes, but we all know who would win that poll in SX. That would be James....probably McGrath 2nd. The very thing that has him being THAT guy...is the very same thing that cost him championships.

Would the sport have been better off if James had always taken the long view and ridden for championships? I dont think so. Could he have won more titles....probably. Gotten more wins...certainly as he would have been out less from injuries. But the sport would have been a lot less exciting for it. James being who is, how he approached racing, added a lot to the sport. Love him...hate him...he made things exciting. So I think the whole question of "living up to potential" to be a red herring.

"Holy crap did you see Stewart crash.... but man Ive never seen anyone go that fast."
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2/27/2014 2:13pm
GuyB wrote:
RC was obviously fired up and venting.
IWreckALot wrote:
I'd say Mike got off easy with what RC said. I'm sure RC had a shotgun comment he wanted to drop on MA at the moment.
GuyB wrote:
RC and Mark Johnson from RCH spent a rather long time in the AMA truck after the race.
RC should get out of the booth and let someone like KW in there. He is like a kid in Kindy arguing with Fro and putting shit on when it suits, would fit in on Vital. Lose another 15 kg and show some respect for yourself and your family.

If RC says that about MA what does he say about the 2 riders parked under his tent, as for RC running to the Officials, well he is in the right team of sooks for that real Hardcore Sooks.

Says a lot about his ability to set a bike up for another rider when he has more opportunity with his connections than anyone else riding Suzuki. At least he has shut up like MC regarding Reedy biting off more than he could chew, Reedy is well hung RC and his team need to grow some balls. Last week was the first time I have seen Tickle show consistent speed, didn't take long.
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2/27/2014 2:18pm
Woobia 22 wrote:
RC should get out of the booth and let someone like KW in there. He is like a kid in Kindy arguing with Fro and putting...
RC should get out of the booth and let someone like KW in there. He is like a kid in Kindy arguing with Fro and putting shit on when it suits, would fit in on Vital. Lose another 15 kg and show some respect for yourself and your family.

If RC says that about MA what does he say about the 2 riders parked under his tent, as for RC running to the Officials, well he is in the right team of sooks for that real Hardcore Sooks.

Says a lot about his ability to set a bike up for another rider when he has more opportunity with his connections than anyone else riding Suzuki. At least he has shut up like MC regarding Reedy biting off more than he could chew, Reedy is well hung RC and his team need to grow some balls. Last week was the first time I have seen Tickle show consistent speed, didn't take long.
Did you get your STFU Noob on the way in? Just checking. Wink
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Just keep hanging there Boss and you might end up getting smothered by the squeeze of the 125 kg gingerbread man.

Lets look at the Noobs post.

1/ saying he is too overweight and needs to lose weight as health issues will follow and impact big time on him but more on his Family as well .Fact.

2/ His ability in the booth to be impartial and to just do his work is not up to KW. Fact IMO.

3/ If he says Mike hasn't live up to his ability, what does that say about the hiring of Tickle and Hill, Both smoked by Mossy on a STOCK bike. Just like to hear his comment, does he agree with Pink or what he said about Tickle on a broadcast. If he was going any slower he would fall over. Fact

4/ How long has he been associated with the Team, I remember him saying how they had been working on this and that with the team etc testing this week. He does get access to better equipment than others Fact.

5/ Along with the Honda Test rider / Adviser ( he should be paying Honda the way they are going) bagged Reedy out regarding him starting his own team and didn't know what he was getting into.

You have a good day Boss and smile sometime. Just friendly advice.
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2/27/2014 2:57pm
huck wrote:
Because he crashes too much?

Would it have been as well received as him saying that MA800 hasn't lived up to his, because of poor decisions?
In 2004 as James was finishing his career in the 125 class, how many takers do you think you could have found if you wanted to bet $2,500 that after 9 years in the 250/450 class James would have no more than 1 MX championship and no more than 2 SX championships?

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