From The Racer's Wife

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Edited Date/Time 12/4/2013 6:32pm
This article will likely get some discussion in the industry.

http://www.shanewatts.com/racers-wife-about-racers-life

From the Racer’s Wife about a Racer’s Life - A Wakeup Call for the Offroad Industry

By Carrie Watts, wife of Shane Watts

Every time a Racer hits the track, someone that loves them hits their knees in prayer to the track Gods, hoping against hope that their husband, son, brother, or friend comes off the track safe.

We have all been there, waiting in the pits, watching the clock, counting the seconds. When an extra 30 seconds pass from their expected arrival, the anticipation builds; when 1 extra minute goes by, we start to get a little more anxious; when 2 minutes pass, we start to wonder what might have went wrong, hoping that maybe they JUST ran out of gas, had a mechanical, caught some bad lappers, got stuck in a mud hole. No matter how much time passes – even one second, the level of anxiety that those of us in the pits feel every time OUR Racer straps on a helmet, is just waiting to mount. Unless you’ve been there, waiting for a delayed rider to come in, you can’t imagine the deep, sinking panic we feel with every second that passes with OUR Racer coming through.

And when the unimaginable happens, when OUR Racer doesn’t make it off the track safe, the fans, the nay-sayers, the industry big-shots, the ones that sign the racer’s checks - all have nice comforting words for the loved ones that are still waiting for their Racer to come home. And then a little time passes, and it’s on to the next guy, and that’s it.

In light of the most recent tragic loss of off-road racing champion Kurt Caselli, and because it seems, that for fear of losing their ride or sponsor support, no racers will say what needs to be said about the fate of the off-road racing industry and the severe lack of respect for the Racers that make the wheels of off-road racing turn, I’m going to make some really ugly observations and point some fingers.

People, and by “people” I mean every company that makes a buck off these racers, every person that sits on the couch or stands trackside and gets a bit of “ooh” and “ahhh” from these racer’s hard work, talent and time, please take a minute to think about this: these guys are working for you! You are their employer, you are the ones that sign their paychecks and pay for their gas and food, who put clothes on their kid’s backs, and food on their tables. You are responsible for their livelihood.

At the end of every season, when these racers go back to industry companies, when they scramble for sponsorship and literally beg for dollars, they are doing it for you!

This is their job and you “People” employ them! These racers risk their lives EVERY day so companies can sell bikes and tires to you – the average rider and fan, so that Joe Blow can have some trackside entertainment with a beer in his hand, so that opinionated bench racers can tweet and post their high minded insight every day from the safety of their couch, and bash these guys in their blogs and on bike forums.

These guys climb on a dirtbike to do their jobs, but they are clocked in 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. To remain competitive, many have foregone traditional educations, they train every single day, they have to be smart and business minded to leverage their value with big companies to get a paycheck, they have to shake hands and smile and sign autographs even when they are mentally prepping for a race, they have to be able to market and self promote, they must have absolute support from family and friends, and they have to be able to get thick skin so that every Tom, Dick and Harry that has something shitty to say about them, doesn’t make them throw in the towel.

Not once have I ever heard of a racer getting health insurance, life insurance or disability benfits from their sponsors, their employers. For that matter, half of these guys are struggling to pay for gas to make it to the races, and if you can believe this, MANY of these guys don’t even have health insurance because their paychecks don’t support it.

Think about what you might do if you did your job, and then your “employer” didn’t give you your paycheck? This happens to Racers regularly.

Think about how you might feel if everyone you encountered in your job over the course of a year got to comment on your annual performance review, and all of that information was made public for the general population to then have their say. How might you feel? This happens to Racers regularly.

And then think about this: what if every day at your job someone else was trying to out-perform you and take your job? And, regardless of your job performance and even if you did EVERYTHING that was asked of you by your employer, someone else got awarded your job because they would take less money, and you were left jobless. This happens to Racers regularly.

So, I’m pointing fingers at all of the “People” that are letting these guys risk their lives for nearly nothing, and I’m saying, Do Better! Take care of the Racers that take care of you! Let industry manufactures know that you - the average weekend warrior or rider and the future “racers”, won’t let their biking brothers risk their lives so that they can make an extra buck, or throw all their money at arena sports.

And I’m saying to the Racers out there, DO NOT do your job for nothing! DO NOT give the “People” what they want from you without getting something for yourself and your families in return. Do NOT undercut and sell out your fellow brothers and Racers and take a job from them. You will only be creating a market where the same will happen to you in a year or two. In the past 8 years, that has been the reason for the sponsorship declines. When the market took a dive, industry manufacturers took that opportunity to pay their racers less, and as the industry has tightened up, and as Racers have become desperate to do their jobs and make a living, they have been willing to take next to nothing to do it. As a result the Racers have created a highly competitive, yet desperately undervalued career path for themselves. Many of you have forgone traditional education with the hopes that Professional Racing would sustain you eventually. Reality check for those of you Racers coming up the ranks: this will not happen unless you do something to change the direction of your future!

Racers, you need to talk to one another about what a minimum salary and BENEFITS – Yes, Benefits, should be and create a racer’s union that will not allow companies to take advantage of you, to continue to make money off of you and without giving you what you deserve for risking your lives. Baseball players, basketball players, football players, flight attendants, police officers, fire fighters, all have a unions saying that they will not take less than what they deserve for putting their lives on the line, or for allowing other companies to make money off their talents. Neither should you!

Racers, DO NOT let pride and glory overshadow the fact that racing is your JOB, and sad as it is to say, a VERY short-lived job, at that. Getting a Factory Ride or a $20K/year salary after footing the bill is NOT worth your life, not worth selling out another rider, not worth delaying an education or what might be a real sustaining, life long career. Racers, it’s time to get smart and demand more for yourselves.

When record numbers of riders are showing up to the races, one can assume that the spending in the industry is as healthy as it has every been. Not withstanding that after the fall of so many industry companies after the economic recession, this leaves all the spending in the industry to fewer manufacturers. So, ask yourself, where is the money going? You can be certain that the ugly stepchild of the motorcycling industry - Offroad - is still earning its keep. Simple calculations that gate fees haven't gone down, record numbers of riders attending offroad events, and with that, they must still be spending money to keep their bikes running. Conversely, arenacross events are still limited in capacity by the nature of the event, and the ticket prices and number of events haven't gone up dramatically, so what is the justification that more dollars are being thrown at these racers? Frankly, the draw of the Offroad racing market for a manufacturer is the grassroots, family feel, with direct access to the pros and the bikes in the pits, which is a far site better from a marketing standpoint than a birds eye view from the stands. So, "People", where is the money from Offroad Racinggoing? Racers, are you demanding that the money you are earning for your sponsors come back to the sport and industry that employs you? If not, you should.

Finally, “People”, shame on you for taking advantage of these Racers. Shame on you for sitting in ignorant judgment of these Racer’s jobs, salaries, performance and benefits in the name of them “doing what they love”, because I can assure you that any time you take a passion and make it a job, it becomes a just that - a job. Shame on you for sitting safely in your office or on your couch, trying to take away these Racer’s accomplishments, and judging them when they have something un-P.C. to say about their treatment by their “employers”. Remember, these Racers have no one but themselves and their loved ones defending them against the world’s greed, need for violent entertainment, and judgment - and ask yourself, would you do a Racer’s job?

The most recent tragedy and senseless loss of racing legend Kurt Caselli leaves me with that last desperate hope that this is the final wakeup call fans, enthusiasts, riders, industry manufactures, and RACERS need to change the fate and inevitable decline of Offroad Racing. No matter how many posts are made asking event promoters and sponsors to do better by their racers, nothing will change unless “people” do better, and Racers join together and demand more!
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11/16/2013 3:25pm
I didn't realize racers were conscripted into service. Sounds like they have no option but to pursue a career where the pros, cons, and risks are readily apparent. Or am I mistaken?

In the immortal words of Super Chicken: "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it". Someone should inform Mrs. Watts of that fact.
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11/16/2013 3:37pm
LoudLove wrote:
I didn't realize racers were conscripted into service. Sounds like they have no option but to pursue a career where the pros, cons, and risks are...
I didn't realize racers were conscripted into service. Sounds like they have no option but to pursue a career where the pros, cons, and risks are readily apparent. Or am I mistaken?

In the immortal words of Super Chicken: "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it". Someone should inform Mrs. Watts of that fact.
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11/16/2013 3:40pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2013 3:48pm
Kind of a broad swipe at fans and sponsors alike isn't it?

I understand the frustration but...
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11/16/2013 3:47pm
I think she has a point .... in some teams the guy that drives the rig makes more than the guy riding the bike . How does that work really???

Sadly its the same in all motorsports... and it isnt changing any time soon.

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11/16/2013 3:48pm
I can understand where some family members of "Off-Road" can be a bit frustrated by what they see as in-equities in the different Formats and Disciplines; HOWEVER! How about everyone giving us enough time to come to terms with the fact that we lost someone...?

My feelings are that KTM, their Teams, their Employees and their Sponsors are The Very Best among ANY and ALL in the "Off-Road" Community. I park my bike under the Rockstar-Honda Tent and I've got NOTHING but "Amazing" thoughts in my mind about the ENTIRE K T M Family.

My heart, my thoughts...indeed...my Prayers...are with EVERYONE from Red-Bull to Bonanza Plumbing to FMF to KTM...and...especially...the Beautiful young-woman that I've seen on Kurt's arm...

To all in Kurt's Amazing Racing "Community"...I'm truly sorry.
11/16/2013 3:54pm
In the wake of a tragedy like this, emotions can take over and bring up many other things and become a springboard to vent them....I can only imagine how hard it must be for spouses to watch their husband participate in a dangerous sport like off-road racing. But, it is a choice and the chance all of us take, pro or amateurs, when we get on our bike and compete.

I have the AMA magazine for December sitting on the workbench with Kurt's smiling face standing by his #1 KTM on the cover......I feel really bad for his family,friends and the KTM Team.

R.I.P Kut Caselli
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11/16/2013 4:00pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2013 4:02pm
i think now would be a good time for her to shut the fuck up and let the memory of kurt take the stage.
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11/16/2013 4:01pm
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I can understand where some family members of "Off-Road" can be a bit frustrated by what they see as in-equities in the different Formats and Disciplines...
I can understand where some family members of "Off-Road" can be a bit frustrated by what they see as in-equities in the different Formats and Disciplines; HOWEVER! How about everyone giving us enough time to come to terms with the fact that we lost someone...?

My feelings are that KTM, their Teams, their Employees and their Sponsors are The Very Best among ANY and ALL in the "Off-Road" Community. I park my bike under the Rockstar-Honda Tent and I've got NOTHING but "Amazing" thoughts in my mind about the ENTIRE K T M Family.

My heart, my thoughts...indeed...my Prayers...are with EVERYONE from Red-Bull to Bonanza Plumbing to FMF to KTM...and...especially...the Beautiful young-woman that I've seen on Kurt's arm...

To all in Kurt's Amazing Racing "Community"...I'm truly sorry.
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11/16/2013 4:36pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2013 4:37pm
I'd say 95% percent of professional motocross and offroad riders worldwide are vastly underpaid.

How to fix it? I have no idea, but it needs fixing!
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11/16/2013 4:46pm
Damn, I was expecting a cheesesteak.
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11/16/2013 4:47pm
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i think now would be a good time for her to shut the fuck up and let the memory of kurt take the stage.
Yep.
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11/16/2013 5:04pm
I doubt anyone who has commented above makes a living from riding.

She is right on the money in my opinion - no one forces anyone to race, but it's pathetic racers will leverage the entire future on hoping racing pays off. Even for the top few - it's not that lucrative in the big picture

I'd rather steer my kid towards learning how to kick a football than towards ANY career in racing dirtbikes.
11/16/2013 5:13pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2013 8:04pm
She has some good points. I can imagine it must be very hard to have a loved one repeatedly put them self in danger as you wait on the side lines.

But, I love to ride my dirt bike and I am going to continue to ride. I don't race or have sponsors anymore, its not a career to me. Any form of motorcycling and/or racing is dangerous. The fact that Mr Caselli did have sponsors and it was his job did not put him in any more danger or risk than I am in when I ride. His sponsors did not do this to him. As a sponsor how can you put a price on the risk of injury or death?

I take on the risk and danger because I love to do it, not because I'm paid to or am expected to. This can happen to any pro, amateur, you, I or anyone that throws a leg over a motor cycle. This danger can't be changed it is part of our sport on any level.

RIP Kurt.
11/16/2013 5:55pm
Holy fuck some of you are stupid. Seriously, get some help.

Shes so right in many ways. Our sport is in a bad way because we accept it. And, the top riders accept it, because they have to. Professional off road racing is where many sports were 20 years ago. There is huge exploitation of the athletes taking place.

Shes not saying we shouldnt ride. I broke my back in 2000 racing, and I accept that. But, the fact that the riders below the top ten in most series make less than the truck drivers, says something is wrong. We ride cause we love it, yes. But, what protection do these guys have for the risk they are taking? Professional athletes take risks and have pressures that most of the average couch potatoes never see. I have a friend in the NHL. Hes well compensated, but man, what a meat market. If the top riders in Moto were compensated better from the top ten on out, even with some good company supplied insurance, things would be better.

Geez guys, keep an open mind, and be thankful that people like Carrie Watts exist that care about the riders and the actual health of the industry and the riders. Dont TRY to be stupid, even though for some of you it comes natural.
11/16/2013 6:16pm
I agree 100%

i mite add to her eloquent put message one missing fact. And that is about 5 riders are taking most of the manufactures or actually distributors money and sponsors money.

It is bs that these 5 riders get all the money and the rest like mrs watts says are begging for dollars.

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11/16/2013 6:19pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2013 9:04pm
I am deeply offended by this article. As I read through this article I have many things to say. At the beginning of this article it is stated that us "people" and by that everyone that isn't a pro off road rider or racing company is responsible for the professional racer's livelihood. This is an outrageous statement. I am not responsible for their livelihood or putting food on their tables. They are responsible for that. They do not work for me. They work for themselves. I do not expect for them to take care of my livelihood and it would be ridiculous to think otherwise. They may risk their lives every day by racing as a professional but doesn't every weekend warrior? I accept that risk every time I choose to ride my dirt bike and being paid to do it makes absolutely no difference. It is also stated that they pros do it so “Joe Blow” can have some trackside entertainment with a beer in hand and bash the riders on online forums. Exactly who does the author of this article think she is to be so high and mighty? The racers choose to do this sport and have the option to quit and find other work at any point. With no questions asked. It is also stated that they may have foregone traditional educations to be a professional. Exactly who forced them to be a professional racer and who is still forcing them to? Again it is stated that every “Tom, Dick, and Harry” has something shitty to say about the racers. I’m beginning to wonder if the author realizes that professional sports are for entertainment and as such garner fans and those fans that “pay the bills of the riders” can have their opinions if they please.

The author goes on to say that racers do not receive health insurance and some racers race without it. I can’t believe how this is portrayed as the fan’s fault. If the racers do not like the working conditions that are placed around them then stop and do something else. Such is life. What do “I” have to do with whether a professional racer decides to sign a contract knowing he will have no health insurance? That is absolutely not my problem. Winding down the author states I should have “shame” for taking advantage of these racers. I am outraged by this statement. How exactly am I doing that? These racers choose to race for a living. It is entirely up to them and no one else to make the decision to that and if they are unhappy do something else just like everybody else.

The reason I write this is because I am deeply offended by the article and I feel like I have a good perspective on the situation. I played collegiate baseball at a prominent division 1 program and I received criticism as well as admiration from fans both in real life and online. I did not take offense to anything that was said about me because I understood that I was playing for others entertainment and as such they are allowed to be entertained and talk about the entertainment anyway they see fit. I do not see many dirt bike riders being yelled at on the track and cussed out as they ride by as I sometimes was on the pitching mound. I am not complaining. It’s just part of the game and I accept and embrace it. I was then selected to play professional baseball albeit for a very low salary. “I” chose not to continue to do this even though playing a sport for a living is a dream to many because “I” wanted to be able to support myself and my future family financially one day and went off to go about getting accepted to dental school and become a dentist. A process which I am now close to completing as I only have two more years of dental school left. I also chased the national enduro series and made it to the “Pro” class level while only getting a chance to ride my bike on the weekends at the races. I could have chosen to not pursue dental school and taken a chance to ride during the week and train full time and try to become a low level off road pro but I chose not to. Why? Because I understand what the financial restrictions are when it becomes to being an off road pro and the unstable career that comes with it.

I cannot believe the author has chosen to take an off road legends death and try to use it for her own benefit as her husband runs a race team and makes a living off the off road community. Shame on you.
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11/16/2013 6:28pm
So what's the wake up call? If I'm KTM, what should I do differently now? If I'm JCR, what should I do differently now? What is the epiphany we should all be experiencing right now? I'm just experiencing anger and sadness but I haven't come up with anything that I as a fan can do to prevent potential injury or death to professional riders.

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11/16/2013 6:36pm
I can definitely agree with a few points of the article. I understand this is a small industry, but it amazes me every day that these guys get paid so little to perform one of the most dangerous jobs in the world. I'm not sure how we can fix this, or what can be done to change it, but I really hope something can be done. I have a feeling big change is probably coming, in track and offroad.
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11/16/2013 7:51pm
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I am deeply offended by this article. As I read through this article I have many things to say. At the beginning of this article it...
I am deeply offended by this article. As I read through this article I have many things to say. At the beginning of this article it is stated that us "people" and by that everyone that isn't a pro off road rider or racing company is responsible for the professional racer's livelihood. This is an outrageous statement. I am not responsible for their livelihood or putting food on their tables. They are responsible for that. They do not work for me. They work for themselves. I do not expect for them to take care of my livelihood and it would be ridiculous to think otherwise. They may risk their lives every day by racing as a professional but doesn't every weekend warrior? I accept that risk every time I choose to ride my dirt bike and being paid to do it makes absolutely no difference. It is also stated that they pros do it so “Joe Blow” can have some trackside entertainment with a beer in hand and bash the riders on online forums. Exactly who does the author of this article think she is to be so high and mighty? The racers choose to do this sport and have the option to quit and find other work at any point. With no questions asked. It is also stated that they may have foregone traditional educations to be a professional. Exactly who forced them to be a professional racer and who is still forcing them to? Again it is stated that every “Tom, Dick, and Harry” has something shitty to say about the racers. I’m beginning to wonder if the author realizes that professional sports are for entertainment and as such garner fans and those fans that “pay the bills of the riders” can have their opinions if they please.

The author goes on to say that racers do not receive health insurance and some racers race without it. I can’t believe how this is portrayed as the fan’s fault. If the racers do not like the working conditions that are placed around them then stop and do something else. Such is life. What do “I” have to do with whether a professional racer decides to sign a contract knowing he will have no health insurance? That is absolutely not my problem. Winding down the author states I should have “shame” for taking advantage of these racers. I am outraged by this statement. How exactly am I doing that? These racers choose to race for a living. It is entirely up to them and no one else to make the decision to that and if they are unhappy do something else just like everybody else.

The reason I write this is because I am deeply offended by the article and I feel like I have a good perspective on the situation. I played collegiate baseball at a prominent division 1 program and I received criticism as well as admiration from fans both in real life and online. I did not take offense to anything that was said about me because I understood that I was playing for others entertainment and as such they are allowed to be entertained and talk about the entertainment anyway they see fit. I do not see many dirt bike riders being yelled at on the track and cussed out as they ride by as I sometimes was on the pitching mound. I am not complaining. It’s just part of the game and I accept and embrace it. I was then selected to play professional baseball albeit for a very low salary. “I” chose not to continue to do this even though playing a sport for a living is a dream to many because “I” wanted to be able to support myself and my future family financially one day and went off to go about getting accepted to dental school and become a dentist. A process which I am now close to completing as I only have two more years of dental school left. I also chased the national enduro series and made it to the “Pro” class level while only getting a chance to ride my bike on the weekends at the races. I could have chosen to not pursue dental school and taken a chance to ride during the week and train full time and try to become a low level off road pro but I chose not to. Why? Because I understand what the financial restrictions are when it becomes to being an off road pro and the unstable career that comes with it.

I cannot believe the author has chosen to take an off road legends death and try to use it for her own benefit as her husband runs a race team and makes a living off the off road community. Shame on you.
Yeah.....Div 1 baseball is so far from being a professional off road race it isn't even funny. Talk about comparing apples to oranges. She is right on the money and most of you don't want to read the truth and reality of our sport at the pro level. We suck and we look the other way when time and time again we hear stories like this and realize the level of exploitation that occurs. A professional contract that doesn't include health insurance? That alone is so fucking sad.
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11/16/2013 7:51pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2013 7:53pm
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I am deeply offended by this article. As I read through this article I have many things to say. At the beginning of this article it...
I am deeply offended by this article. As I read through this article I have many things to say. At the beginning of this article it is stated that us "people" and by that everyone that isn't a pro off road rider or racing company is responsible for the professional racer's livelihood. This is an outrageous statement. I am not responsible for their livelihood or putting food on their tables. They are responsible for that. They do not work for me. They work for themselves. I do not expect for them to take care of my livelihood and it would be ridiculous to think otherwise. They may risk their lives every day by racing as a professional but doesn't every weekend warrior? I accept that risk every time I choose to ride my dirt bike and being paid to do it makes absolutely no difference. It is also stated that they pros do it so “Joe Blow” can have some trackside entertainment with a beer in hand and bash the riders on online forums. Exactly who does the author of this article think she is to be so high and mighty? The racers choose to do this sport and have the option to quit and find other work at any point. With no questions asked. It is also stated that they may have foregone traditional educations to be a professional. Exactly who forced them to be a professional racer and who is still forcing them to? Again it is stated that every “Tom, Dick, and Harry” has something shitty to say about the racers. I’m beginning to wonder if the author realizes that professional sports are for entertainment and as such garner fans and those fans that “pay the bills of the riders” can have their opinions if they please.

The author goes on to say that racers do not receive health insurance and some racers race without it. I can’t believe how this is portrayed as the fan’s fault. If the racers do not like the working conditions that are placed around them then stop and do something else. Such is life. What do “I” have to do with whether a professional racer decides to sign a contract knowing he will have no health insurance? That is absolutely not my problem. Winding down the author states I should have “shame” for taking advantage of these racers. I am outraged by this statement. How exactly am I doing that? These racers choose to race for a living. It is entirely up to them and no one else to make the decision to that and if they are unhappy do something else just like everybody else.

The reason I write this is because I am deeply offended by the article and I feel like I have a good perspective on the situation. I played collegiate baseball at a prominent division 1 program and I received criticism as well as admiration from fans both in real life and online. I did not take offense to anything that was said about me because I understood that I was playing for others entertainment and as such they are allowed to be entertained and talk about the entertainment anyway they see fit. I do not see many dirt bike riders being yelled at on the track and cussed out as they ride by as I sometimes was on the pitching mound. I am not complaining. It’s just part of the game and I accept and embrace it. I was then selected to play professional baseball albeit for a very low salary. “I” chose not to continue to do this even though playing a sport for a living is a dream to many because “I” wanted to be able to support myself and my future family financially one day and went off to go about getting accepted to dental school and become a dentist. A process which I am now close to completing as I only have two more years of dental school left. I also chased the national enduro series and made it to the “Pro” class level while only getting a chance to ride my bike on the weekends at the races. I could have chosen to not pursue dental school and taken a chance to ride during the week and train full time and try to become a low level off road pro but I chose not to. Why? Because I understand what the financial restrictions are when it becomes to being an off road pro and the unstable career that comes with it.

I cannot believe the author has chosen to take an off road legends death and try to use it for her own benefit as her husband runs a race team and makes a living off the off road community. Shame on you.
Paragraphs bro!

But, great post, I agree 100%.

I would love for these guys to get paid what they deserve, have benefits, etc. but, I don't know why it's my responsibility as a fan.
11/16/2013 8:27pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2013 8:35pm
Holy fuck some of you are stupid. Seriously, get some help. Shes so right in many ways. Our sport is in a bad way because we...
Holy fuck some of you are stupid. Seriously, get some help.

Shes so right in many ways. Our sport is in a bad way because we accept it. And, the top riders accept it, because they have to. Professional off road racing is where many sports were 20 years ago. There is huge exploitation of the athletes taking place.

Shes not saying we shouldnt ride. I broke my back in 2000 racing, and I accept that. But, the fact that the riders below the top ten in most series make less than the truck drivers, says something is wrong. We ride cause we love it, yes. But, what protection do these guys have for the risk they are taking? Professional athletes take risks and have pressures that most of the average couch potatoes never see. I have a friend in the NHL. Hes well compensated, but man, what a meat market. If the top riders in Moto were compensated better from the top ten on out, even with some good company supplied insurance, things would be better.

Geez guys, keep an open mind, and be thankful that people like Carrie Watts exist that care about the riders and the actual health of the industry and the riders. Dont TRY to be stupid, even though for some of you it comes natural.
To madmax.....my view...underlined and in brackets......of your view...

Holy fuck some of you are stupid. Seriously, get some help. (Look in a mirror lately?)

Shes so right in many ways. Our sport is in a bad way because we accept it. And, the top riders accept it, because they have to. Professional off road racing is where many sports were 20 years ago. There is huge exploitation of the athletes taking place. (You can't exploit the willing participant)

Shes not saying we shouldnt ride. I broke my back in 2000 racing, and I accept that.(Are you a Pro? Did you not know the risk of your profession? Or, are you an amateur that got hurt while enjoying your hobby?) But, the fact that the riders below the top ten in most series make less than the truck drivers, says something is wrong.(Are you suggesting those riders get their CDL and live happily ever after?) We ride cause we love it, yes.(Some also do it as a vocation...however it is compensated...with or without benefits, etc) But, what protection do these guys have for the risk they are taking? (If you are doing it as a subcontractor, or you are self-employed, you should know the necessity of insurance, etc) Professional athletes take risks and have pressures that most of the average couch potatoes never see. I have a friend in the NHL. Hes well compensated, but man, what a meat market. (Again, his choice, what is he doing to protect himself, his family, his interests?) If the top riders in Moto were compensated better from the top ten on out, even with some good company supplied insurance, things would be better. (You should step up and underwrite it to show your concern)

Geez guys, keep an open mind, and be thankful that people like Carrie Watts exist that care about the riders and the actual health of the industry and the riders. Dont TRY to be stupid, even though for some of you it comes natural. (once again...got a mirror?)
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11/16/2013 9:01pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2013 9:03pm
Powermoves wrote:
I am deeply offended by this article. As I read through this article I have many things to say. At the beginning of this article it...
I am deeply offended by this article. As I read through this article I have many things to say. At the beginning of this article it is stated that us "people" and by that everyone that isn't a pro off road rider or racing company is responsible for the professional racer's livelihood. This is an outrageous statement. I am not responsible for their livelihood or putting food on their tables. They are responsible for that. They do not work for me. They work for themselves. I do not expect for them to take care of my livelihood and it would be ridiculous to think otherwise. They may risk their lives every day by racing as a professional but doesn't every weekend warrior? I accept that risk every time I choose to ride my dirt bike and being paid to do it makes absolutely no difference. It is also stated that they pros do it so “Joe Blow” can have some trackside entertainment with a beer in hand and bash the riders on online forums. Exactly who does the author of this article think she is to be so high and mighty? The racers choose to do this sport and have the option to quit and find other work at any point. With no questions asked. It is also stated that they may have foregone traditional educations to be a professional. Exactly who forced them to be a professional racer and who is still forcing them to? Again it is stated that every “Tom, Dick, and Harry” has something shitty to say about the racers. I’m beginning to wonder if the author realizes that professional sports are for entertainment and as such garner fans and those fans that “pay the bills of the riders” can have their opinions if they please.

The author goes on to say that racers do not receive health insurance and some racers race without it. I can’t believe how this is portrayed as the fan’s fault. If the racers do not like the working conditions that are placed around them then stop and do something else. Such is life. What do “I” have to do with whether a professional racer decides to sign a contract knowing he will have no health insurance? That is absolutely not my problem. Winding down the author states I should have “shame” for taking advantage of these racers. I am outraged by this statement. How exactly am I doing that? These racers choose to race for a living. It is entirely up to them and no one else to make the decision to that and if they are unhappy do something else just like everybody else.

The reason I write this is because I am deeply offended by the article and I feel like I have a good perspective on the situation. I played collegiate baseball at a prominent division 1 program and I received criticism as well as admiration from fans both in real life and online. I did not take offense to anything that was said about me because I understood that I was playing for others entertainment and as such they are allowed to be entertained and talk about the entertainment anyway they see fit. I do not see many dirt bike riders being yelled at on the track and cussed out as they ride by as I sometimes was on the pitching mound. I am not complaining. It’s just part of the game and I accept and embrace it. I was then selected to play professional baseball albeit for a very low salary. “I” chose not to continue to do this even though playing a sport for a living is a dream to many because “I” wanted to be able to support myself and my future family financially one day and went off to go about getting accepted to dental school and become a dentist. A process which I am now close to completing as I only have two more years of dental school left. I also chased the national enduro series and made it to the “Pro” class level while only getting a chance to ride my bike on the weekends at the races. I could have chosen to not pursue dental school and taken a chance to ride during the week and train full time and try to become a low level off road pro but I chose not to. Why? Because I understand what the financial restrictions are when it becomes to being an off road pro and the unstable career that comes with it.

I cannot believe the author has chosen to take an off road legends death and try to use it for her own benefit as her husband runs a race team and makes a living off the off road community. Shame on you.
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Yeah.....Div 1 baseball is so far from being a professional off road race it isn't even funny. Talk about comparing apples to oranges. She is right...
Yeah.....Div 1 baseball is so far from being a professional off road race it isn't even funny. Talk about comparing apples to oranges. She is right on the money and most of you don't want to read the truth and reality of our sport at the pro level. We suck and we look the other way when time and time again we hear stories like this and realize the level of exploitation that occurs. A professional contract that doesn't include health insurance? That alone is so fucking sad.
1. Div 1 baseball is far more popular and on a larger scale than off road racing. It is also under much more scrutiny even if it doesn't apply directly. It just amplifies the draw backs of "Joe Blow" writing on the internet about you or yelling at you in person which was my point which acceptable because it is for the entertainment of the fans.

2. Did you even read what I wrote? I had the opportunity to try my hand at being a pro in the off road world and chose not to take it. That is apples to apples. I had the EXACT opportunity and chose not to take it as that is my choice just like everyone else even though I still race on my own time and dime when I can. A professional contract that doesn't include health insurance? Don't sign it. Simple as that. If another rider comes along and wants to then that's his choice. If no rider wants to then the Manufacturer can either pay up or not have a rider. This is a business, not a charity.
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11/16/2013 10:06pm
I read what you wrote. To begin, Mrs. Watts isn't using this forum as some kind of a pulpit via Kurt Caselli for some kind of personal gain, so I am offended by your suggestion mr high and mighty almost dentist. Perhaps you should read what she wrote one more time. Good for you that you had the choice and the opportunity to make a different decision in your ife. Many in our sport don't have either the choice or the opportunity to do what you are doing while they invest all of their being to get to the highest level.

It is so simplistic to suggest that if, to use your words, don't sign it if it doesn't include health insurance-what a joke. It should be mandatory that any professional contract INCLUDE health insurance but the industry can't even include that as they churn out athlete after athlete for their gain-this is what Mrs. Watts in part is suggesting you dolt. You think this is okay? Risking your life for industry gain? Tell me, does a professional baseball player not have health insurance as part of their contract, by way of their union?

Note the paragraphs while you try to justify your offence to someone who has had to stand by their spouse living the reality many here don't want to acknowledge. The fact that the top few guys make a fantastic living (all well deserved and earned) while everyone else scrapes by, if that, should tell you that what we have is not acceptable. This is her point, and she made it eloquently I might add.
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11/16/2013 10:28pm
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I can definitely agree with a few points of the article. I understand this is a small industry, but it amazes me every day that these...
I can definitely agree with a few points of the article. I understand this is a small industry, but it amazes me every day that these guys get paid so little to perform one of the most dangerous jobs in the world. I'm not sure how we can fix this, or what can be done to change it, but I really hope something can be done. I have a feeling big change is probably coming, in track and offroad.
They get paid more than the guys on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier or the guys in the trenches fighting for the freedom for them to race. They choose to try and make it as a pro, they can also stay on there parents medical insurance policy till there 25yo. Life isn't fair some are lucky and succeed, some don't deal with it.
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11/16/2013 10:54pm
For as much as you guys act like you love this sport and idolize the heroes that exist in it I am sickened by how much you are un-appreciative of what they do and sacrifice.
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11/16/2013 11:19pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2013 11:22pm
As much as I know she means good with her intentions, blaming the fans is pretty ridiculous. We purchase the products, we buy the tickets, we follow the fans on social media, etc. We are entitled to our opinions just as every fan of every other sport around the world are, regardless if the people in the know agree or not.

The only people who are to blame for all the problems and the struggles is the racers themselves. Just because the top echelon of riders don't want to unionize and come together for the greater good of everyone has NOTHING to do with the fans and companies in the industry. If ALL the riders get together and say no one is racing until something is done, then the fans get mad their is no racing and the industry will change the way things are done. She should be writing her frustration to RV, Dungey, JS7, etc. of each moto discipline, not the fans and companies. Change has to happen from inside out, not outside in.
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11/16/2013 11:28pm
I agree with some points Mrs Watts mentioned, and agree with some points my fellow Vitards mentioned as well. Riders need a union. They need someone to back them. I feel that's common knowledge. What other sport does the "entertainment" pay to "entertain"? A feeling I have though on the other side is these athletes honestly make a decent living. Say a guy such as a chiz or hill make 75k a year... Name ANY other job in the world where a 8th grade drop out would make that kind of money! And that doesn't include making night shows, LCQ, or mains. She blamed everyone one else for what happened to Kurt, but we all accept the same risk every time we throw a leg over our bike. That is part of it just my opinion
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11/17/2013 12:38am
My emailed response to her:
Mrs Carrie Watts,

I appreciate the article you wrote for what it is, but must say, I kindheartedly disagree. No one is forced into a life of racing; they make the choice to do it. That's what makes this country amazing, I can pick ANY profession, put my mind to it, and make something of myself.

Out of 6th form in England, I had a choice: Try to go pro, and follow my dream, or go to college, and build a dream. I made the choice of college, and enjoy riding my dirtbike every chance I can. I am still a racer, I still have sponsors, and I also fight to win at a local level. In no way is my safety a responsibility of ANYONE'S but myself.

I work my butt off, yes, it's a 9-5 job, but I am only paid what I am worth. In my profession (Engineer), if I do not perform to a certain level, I am let go, passed over for promotions and/or raises. This is a model of all professional positions of this world. Am I risking my life? No, but it was my choice to pick this position, just as it's a racer's choice to choose to become a professional.

The call to unionize is interesting; what do you think the companies whom employ these riders will do? I can see it now, they will leave, and gladly leave. Off road and motocross motorcycles make up a very, very small industry, as does road racing. Look at kawasaki; their number 1 selling motorcycle? Ninja 250; and it's not because they will races (They haven't won anything on the street side, in YEARS), it's because of price point and ease of ownership. Any costs a riders union brings to the sport, will be immediately left to me, the consumer, to pay for. Is that fair to anyone that just wants to ride their motorcycle? The consumer doesn't owe the professional riders anything, just as a pilot doesn't owe me anything; they purchase their product for a fair price, I am paid a fair wage, and the market dictates this.

If I don't like my wage? Then I go to a new position, a new company, a new market (country), or a new career. It's my choice, just like the mid 40's guy flipping burgers at McDonalds, it's the freedom of that choice that sets this country apart.

In closing, I am mortified by your claims to unionize, your claim that the consumer is to blame, and finally, your claim that the consumer has taken advantage of the professional rider.


Warm Regards,
XXXXXXXX


P.S. Your call that grids/racing is at an all time high is drawing farther from the truth; right now, the motorcycle industry is suffering, and suffering badly. Record lows in new sales, in parts sales, and aftermarket sales are met year after year. Between the safer, and easier stick and ball sports, and the lack of disposable income for that new 10K bike, motorcycling with continue to wain.
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11/17/2013 12:38am Edited Date/Time 11/17/2013 12:53am
Agree with some, not all. I understand racers are contracted, but I don't put any blame on the industry or the "blogging" fans. Unfortunately offroad racing is a sport, not a trade. Racing isn't brick and mortar, education, health, armed forces, etc. Racing is more a privilege of the gifted, they make their money racing because they have the ability to be at the top. These guys put their lives on the line to be the best, not to entertain. To be The Best. But take that away, and they would be in college, or installing hardware on doors, glass in buildings, teaching kids.

I look at racing professional offroad like self employment, take care of yourself. If you work for yourself, then make sure you're covered both financially and with proper insurance. I personally don't employ these racers, just like everyone reading this post doesn't employ me to put all the glass on your particular floor in your building..

I respect the words from Mrs. Watts, I can't imagine the grief involved in the close circle. My close friend lost her husband to this sport recently, and she's not pointing fingers at anyone for her loss. Some people deal with losses differently I suppose.

GODSPEED Kurt, you were truly a legend and I'll never forget the impact you made on my life, both with racing and being a great human being.
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11/17/2013 12:40am
Crush wrote:
I'd say 95% percent of professional motocross and offroad riders worldwide are vastly underpaid.

How to fix it? I have no idea, but it needs fixing!
The market makes the call. You're only paid what you're worth. Don't like your paycheck? Then do something about it.

Look at deegan, look at pastrana. Hell, more people in this world know who Travis Pastrana is, and have no clue who Ricky Carmichael is.

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