Roczen ?

Moens_Andy
Edited Date/Time 10/22/2013 6:46pm
Why is nobody talking about Roczen?

there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc

First off he beat Tomac straight up at MXON
and on MEC he did the same.

I predict him to be the best rookie in 2014 in the premier class.
He has about 2,5 months left with Aldon Baker and to get used to the 450 power

I would also like to add he did great at the MEC
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PressPassP 10/21/2013 10:08am
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Without that unfortunate incident when Wilson went down,he'd be the MEC winner,totally not his fault but an "if" at the end of the daySad

He was very impressive,not been on the 450 much either,things can only get better too
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peelout 10/21/2013 10:11am
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Moens_Andy wrote:
Why is nobody talking about Roczen? there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc First off he...
Why is nobody talking about Roczen?

there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc

First off he beat Tomac straight up at MXON
and on MEC he did the same.

I predict him to be the best rookie in 2014 in the premier class.
He has about 2,5 months left with Aldon Baker and to get used to the 450 power

I would also like to add he did great at the MEC
i predicted he would do better at both the MXdN and the MEC. my friends and some of the turds in here still said that Tomac was the better rider at MXdN, even after getting beat in both motos to Roczen.

huge props to Roczen for his performance at the MEC, i'm becoming a bigger fan every race
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JeepnMike 10/21/2013 10:39am
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Moens_Andy wrote:
Why is nobody talking about Roczen? there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc First off he...
Why is nobody talking about Roczen?

there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc

First off he beat Tomac straight up at MXON
and on MEC he did the same.

I predict him to be the best rookie in 2014 in the premier class.
He has about 2,5 months left with Aldon Baker and to get used to the 450 power

I would also like to add he did great at the MEC
peelout wrote:
i predicted he would do better at both the MXdN and the MEC. my friends and some of the turds in here still said that Tomac...
i predicted he would do better at both the MXdN and the MEC. my friends and some of the turds in here still said that Tomac was the better rider at MXdN, even after getting beat in both motos to Roczen.

huge props to Roczen for his performance at the MEC, i'm becoming a bigger fan every race
If you don't, you should follow him on Instagram. He posts real-life stuff and shows how cool of a cat he really is. A lot of the stuff he posts shows he is still a kid at heart and has fun and doesn't seem to try to be politically correct or fake. I don't follow many SX racers just because most of what is posted is clearly just PR stuff, but Ken posts real life stuff it is nice to see.
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philG 10/21/2013 10:46am
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Moens_Andy wrote:
Why is nobody talking about Roczen? there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc First off he...
Why is nobody talking about Roczen?

there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc

First off he beat Tomac straight up at MXON
and on MEC he did the same.

I predict him to be the best rookie in 2014 in the premier class.
He has about 2,5 months left with Aldon Baker and to get used to the 450 power

I would also like to add he did great at the MEC
Roczen was the star of the MEC... Stewie rode well and its good to see him back on it , but Kroc was faster , even though he didnt hit the big jump. It was a one off race ,granted, but it bodes well for 2014.

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Moens_Andy 10/21/2013 10:51am
10/21/2013 10:51am
I follow Kenny on Twitter but i'm not totaly in to it, not much friends/followers there and as you said most racers i follow just type pr stuff and i tend to get bored real quick on twitter. if i had some normal people like you guys on there i think it should be fun but now not so much.

Ive had the pleasure to see him ride here in Europe and he has always impressed me on how he rides a bike. I'm not a huge fan of how he acted when he lived here but it seems that he's changed a lot over the last couple of years.
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At the end of every race...the winner was the fastest.
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Huckster 10/21/2013 10:58am
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DJL52 wrote:
At the end of every race...the winner was the fastest.
Amen....Using PhilG's logic, Tomac was faster at the MXoN so......Roczen rides really well, especially at the 1 off races. I hope he can do that for a full season in both SX and MX this year. He just adds to the field in an already stacked 450 class....
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er0ck33 10/21/2013 10:58am
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Moens_Andy wrote:
Why is nobody talking about Roczen? there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc First off he...
Why is nobody talking about Roczen?

there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc

First off he beat Tomac straight up at MXON
and on MEC he did the same.

I predict him to be the best rookie in 2014 in the premier class.
He has about 2,5 months left with Aldon Baker and to get used to the 450 power

I would also like to add he did great at the MEC
philG wrote:
Roczen was the star of the MEC... Stewie rode well and its good to see him back on it , but Kroc was faster , even...
Roczen was the star of the MEC... Stewie rode well and its good to see him back on it , but Kroc was faster , even though he didnt hit the big jump. It was a one off race ,granted, but it bodes well for 2014.
"PHILG" negative ghost rider!
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DrSweden 10/21/2013 10:58am
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Ken is the shit, only 19? MxDn King, GP-champ, SX champ, few can beat that. Say he retires at 29, in ten years, one would expect a few more titles for him without being bold... He has already achieved enough to be remembered for, not bad for teenager.
Moens_Andy 10/21/2013 11:02am
10/21/2013 11:02am
philG wrote:
Roczen was the star of the MEC... Stewie rode well and its good to see him back on it , but Kroc was faster , even...
Roczen was the star of the MEC... Stewie rode well and its good to see him back on it , but Kroc was faster , even though he didnt hit the big jump. It was a one off race ,granted, but it bodes well for 2014.
The say he whas the star of MEC is maybe a little over the edge , Stewie threw down phenomenal whips and consistency.

IMO the real star whas Austin Forkner 4peat and hittin that triple!? I would literally shit my pants even when i was just thinking about it :D

my face whas like woody
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peelout 10/21/2013 11:06am
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i can't wait to see Roczen after the Aldon Baker treatment... i honestly think he will beat Dungey this year and be the top KTM guy
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philG 10/21/2013 11:09am
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Moens_Andy wrote:
Why is nobody talking about Roczen? there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc First off he...
Why is nobody talking about Roczen?

there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc

First off he beat Tomac straight up at MXON
and on MEC he did the same.

I predict him to be the best rookie in 2014 in the premier class.
He has about 2,5 months left with Aldon Baker and to get used to the 450 power

I would also like to add he did great at the MEC
philG wrote:
Roczen was the star of the MEC... Stewie rode well and its good to see him back on it , but Kroc was faster , even...
Roczen was the star of the MEC... Stewie rode well and its good to see him back on it , but Kroc was faster , even though he didnt hit the big jump. It was a one off race ,granted, but it bodes well for 2014.
er0ck33 wrote:
"PHILG" negative ghost rider!
you lost me there...
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newmann 10/21/2013 11:10am
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Roczen's riding is pretty damn brilliant. With a little more focus and training and a little less bro'ing he could be the next big thing.
StartedTooLate 10/21/2013 11:12am
10/21/2013 11:12am Edited Date/Time 10/21/2013 11:17am
Moens_Andy wrote:
Why is nobody talking about Roczen? there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc First off he...
Why is nobody talking about Roczen?

there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc

First off he beat Tomac straight up at MXON
and on MEC he did the same.

I predict him to be the best rookie in 2014 in the premier class.
He has about 2,5 months left with Aldon Baker and to get used to the 450 power

I would also like to add he did great at the MEC
There is a lot that goes into a riders performance on a given day. Equipment. Starts. Health. ":Vibe" During practice and the 1st two motos..Elis dad was insistent that the rear of the bike was not right . They finally changed it for the 3rd moto...and the bike was much better. The only weakness relative to KR in Eli's riding is his starts.

Moto 1 - Start P11
Moto 2 - Start P12
Moto3 - Start P6

What happened in moto 3? He beat KRoc. ET also set FAST LAP in the final moto. Faster than JS and Dungey.

KRoc 4-4-4
ET 5-6-3

Considering his starts...there is little evidence KR is suddenly on a different level to ET.

As for MXoN...you can not discount the difficulty in flying half way around the world...to a strange land...with different bike rules...and racing on a new track. Just a nonsensical comparison.

As for PURE RAW speed....we have NEVER seen KR do what we have seen RV, JS, ET and BB do...put down laps that are just on another level speed wise.... 2s, 3s, even 4s a lap faster than everyone else on track. He just does not have that. You could see it outdoors. When ET gets to that speed...he literally rides the track different than everyone else. He hits obstacles different.

Prediction - ET will win a race in SX in 2014. KR will not. But KR will finish higher in the points...due to consistency. In the outdoors...ET will threaten RV at times...perhaps beating him a few times. He will finish well ahead of KR in the points outdoors.
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philG 10/21/2013 11:37am
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Moens_Andy wrote:
Why is nobody talking about Roczen? there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc First off he...
Why is nobody talking about Roczen?

there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc

First off he beat Tomac straight up at MXON
and on MEC he did the same.

I predict him to be the best rookie in 2014 in the premier class.
He has about 2,5 months left with Aldon Baker and to get used to the 450 power

I would also like to add he did great at the MEC
StartedTooLate wrote:
There is a lot that goes into a riders performance on a given day. Equipment. Starts. Health. ":Vibe" During practice and the 1st two motos..Elis dad...
There is a lot that goes into a riders performance on a given day. Equipment. Starts. Health. ":Vibe" During practice and the 1st two motos..Elis dad was insistent that the rear of the bike was not right . They finally changed it for the 3rd moto...and the bike was much better. The only weakness relative to KR in Eli's riding is his starts.

Moto 1 - Start P11
Moto 2 - Start P12
Moto3 - Start P6

What happened in moto 3? He beat KRoc. ET also set FAST LAP in the final moto. Faster than JS and Dungey.

KRoc 4-4-4
ET 5-6-3

Considering his starts...there is little evidence KR is suddenly on a different level to ET.

As for MXoN...you can not discount the difficulty in flying half way around the world...to a strange land...with different bike rules...and racing on a new track. Just a nonsensical comparison.

As for PURE RAW speed....we have NEVER seen KR do what we have seen RV, JS, ET and BB do...put down laps that are just on another level speed wise.... 2s, 3s, even 4s a lap faster than everyone else on track. He just does not have that. You could see it outdoors. When ET gets to that speed...he literally rides the track different than everyone else. He hits obstacles different.

Prediction - ET will win a race in SX in 2014. KR will not. But KR will finish higher in the points...due to consistency. In the outdoors...ET will threaten RV at times...perhaps beating him a few times. He will finish well ahead of KR in the points outdoors.
I personally think that Tomac will be like Barcia on the 450... flashes of speed , but not race winning speed, the thing that makes Barcia and Tomac are good lights riders will work against them on the 450. i think Roczen will be the other way round.

Im only talking outdoors here , SX is a crapshoot, and like the MEC is usually decided by somebody doing something that the others cant.
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shuggs 10/21/2013 11:52am
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Sorry but think that Eli will do much better than Barcia on big bikes, looks like he has waited just the right amount of time to move up - where IMO Roczen is moving up too soon (not sure how the pointing out comes into it tho),.
Moens_Andy 10/21/2013 11:54am
10/21/2013 11:54am
i think that Roczen would step up if it was for the series considering his kind of fresh on the 450 and has his eyes on 2014 if the same jump would show up this coming series in SX he would hit it no doubt about hit
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IWreckALot 10/21/2013 11:58am
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Moens_Andy wrote:
Why is nobody talking about Roczen? there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc First off he...
Why is nobody talking about Roczen?

there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc

First off he beat Tomac straight up at MXON
and on MEC he did the same.

I predict him to be the best rookie in 2014 in the premier class.
He has about 2,5 months left with Aldon Baker and to get used to the 450 power

I would also like to add he did great at the MEC
StartedTooLate wrote:
There is a lot that goes into a riders performance on a given day. Equipment. Starts. Health. ":Vibe" During practice and the 1st two motos..Elis dad...
There is a lot that goes into a riders performance on a given day. Equipment. Starts. Health. ":Vibe" During practice and the 1st two motos..Elis dad was insistent that the rear of the bike was not right . They finally changed it for the 3rd moto...and the bike was much better. The only weakness relative to KR in Eli's riding is his starts.

Moto 1 - Start P11
Moto 2 - Start P12
Moto3 - Start P6

What happened in moto 3? He beat KRoc. ET also set FAST LAP in the final moto. Faster than JS and Dungey.

KRoc 4-4-4
ET 5-6-3

Considering his starts...there is little evidence KR is suddenly on a different level to ET.

As for MXoN...you can not discount the difficulty in flying half way around the world...to a strange land...with different bike rules...and racing on a new track. Just a nonsensical comparison.

As for PURE RAW speed....we have NEVER seen KR do what we have seen RV, JS, ET and BB do...put down laps that are just on another level speed wise.... 2s, 3s, even 4s a lap faster than everyone else on track. He just does not have that. You could see it outdoors. When ET gets to that speed...he literally rides the track different than everyone else. He hits obstacles different.

Prediction - ET will win a race in SX in 2014. KR will not. But KR will finish higher in the points...due to consistency. In the outdoors...ET will threaten RV at times...perhaps beating him a few times. He will finish well ahead of KR in the points outdoors.
I have to somewhat agree with you. But I'll give KR props. I was one of the guys saying that there's no way he could challenge ET but he came out and beat ET. Both guys rode the same track. I am still pulling for ET but Roczen is growing on me. I'm also curious to see how he does with Aldon in his corner.

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eurofighter69 10/21/2013 12:09pm
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Moens_Andy wrote:
Why is nobody talking about Roczen? there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc First off he...
Why is nobody talking about Roczen?

there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc

First off he beat Tomac straight up at MXON
and on MEC he did the same.

I predict him to be the best rookie in 2014 in the premier class.
He has about 2,5 months left with Aldon Baker and to get used to the 450 power

I would also like to add he did great at the MEC
You're right,nobody's talking about him.Perhaps the haters are back in their holes and the Tomac- fans are thinking about the hype they proclaimed loudly.For my part,Roczen proved that he is competitive as a rookie in the big class and i wish him the best for 2014.Wink
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Glory 10/21/2013 12:17pm
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Gotta remember that Roczen is two years younger than Tomac too. Where was Tomac two years ago?(2011 outdoor season). Was that his first och second year?
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I think its funny that all the "euro's" think that a victory for Roczen is somehow a notch in the belt of the GP's being a superior series. LOL...
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mccread 10/21/2013 12:38pm
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Not much between those two. It could be the new big bike rivalry...
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mccread wrote:
Not much between those two. It could be the new big bike rivalry...
Agree. I do think Kenny's racecraft and consistency is a little better, with Eli having a little more speed when he's on. It's going to be great to see them in the mix. Lucky us!
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APLMAN99 10/21/2013 12:52pm
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Moens_Andy wrote:
Why is nobody talking about Roczen? there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc First off he...
Why is nobody talking about Roczen?

there whas a shitload of topics on the outdoors and how much better Tomac is etc etc

First off he beat Tomac straight up at MXON
and on MEC he did the same.

I predict him to be the best rookie in 2014 in the premier class.
He has about 2,5 months left with Aldon Baker and to get used to the 450 power

I would also like to add he did great at the MEC
philG wrote:
Roczen was the star of the MEC... Stewie rode well and its good to see him back on it , but Kroc was faster , even...
Roczen was the star of the MEC... Stewie rode well and its good to see him back on it , but Kroc was faster , even though he didnt hit the big jump. It was a one off race ,granted, but it bodes well for 2014.
Okay, I'm open minded about this. Tell us how Roczen was faster than Stewart......
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philG 10/21/2013 1:12pm
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Okay, I'm open minded about this. Tell us how Roczen was faster than Stewart......
he was pulling back everything that Stewart gained by doing the big jump....... even RC mentioned it.

Was impressed by Stewart, he took it to RV, KRoc did his best to take it to Stewart. A good race , looking forward to Anahiem
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FreshTopEnd 10/21/2013 1:37pm
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APLMAN99 wrote:
Okay, I'm open minded about this. Tell us how Roczen was faster than Stewart......
philG wrote:
he was pulling back everything that Stewart gained by doing the big jump....... even RC mentioned it. Was impressed by Stewart, he took it to RV...
he was pulling back everything that Stewart gained by doing the big jump....... even RC mentioned it.

Was impressed by Stewart, he took it to RV, KRoc did his best to take it to Stewart. A good race , looking forward to Anahiem
Umm, he ended up forth in a race he holeshotted, finishing behind Dungey and Tomac. Sorry, that's not pulling back everything Stewart gained on the big jump.

Kenny rode great, just awesome. Not the first time in that class, either. But don't taint that with hyperbole that doesn't stand up.
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kiwifan 10/21/2013 1:40pm
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I think hes in for a good year, be interesting to see how he lasts a full SX series rather than a shorter one-off SX race, definately a top 5 contender each week
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edgo897 10/21/2013 2:00pm
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I think Roczen will be fast. Tomac will be fast too. Villapoto? Fast for sure. Dungy, Barcia, Stewart will all be fast. No reason Reed won't be fast too.
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Sully22 10/21/2013 2:02pm
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K-ROC is going to be one bad dude in the big boy class. unfortunately, I don't think ET3 will do as well, and this is coming from a HUGE Tomac fan. for some reason i just think Eli is one of those guys that's a 250 (4 stroke) specialist, or what used to be a 125 (2 stroke) specialist...kinda like Lamson was, or Ramsey, or some of the other guys that did well on the tiddlers.
Moens_Andy 10/21/2013 2:16pm
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I think its funny that all the "euro's" think that a victory for Roczen is somehow a notch in the belt of the GP's being a...
I think its funny that all the "euro's" think that a victory for Roczen is somehow a notch in the belt of the GP's being a superior series. LOL...
WTF r you talking about, i'm just a guy with the opinion that you should give credit where credit is due nothing more and nothing less.

You r the only one thats talking Gp's Euro ish here so if you want another topic with shitloads on comment where euro's vs americans and AMA vs GP go to thread page 400 or something i'm sure you'll find some old dusty threads where you can enjoy yourself .

thanks for your time though

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