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I know this is sort of a pipe dream but its something ive thought about often for quite awhile. like many of others ive talked to over the past few years im not all that happy with the current outdoor series that MX Sports and the AMA are running. I along with so many others feel that something was lost when the rules were changed allowing four strokes a greater displacement advantage over two stroke. just go to any message forum and the topic of four stroke vs two stroke is brought up over and over. its pretty obvious that most fans want a level playing field in regards to displacement but MX Sports and the AMA claim that the will lose funding from the manufactures. so the question is, what would it take to start an alternative outdoor series without MXSports, the AMA, and the manufactures involvement? could a series survive with funding from the bike manufactures? I certainly don't have the capabilities to do this but there has to be people in the industry that do. what do you guys think?
$15-20 million to do it right probably.
Feld Motorsports (then called SFX, but still run by Charlie Mancuso and many of the same folks who are still there today) tried their own non AMA but professional motorcycle racing series back in 2000.
They put together and ran both professional Road Racing and a professional Flat track series and hosted races all over the USA.
They had very good purses, and even attracted some top riders like John Hopkins and Chris Carr.
But it failed after one season. And they spent a ton of $ doing it.
So did Boo-Koo Arenacross series...
So did the Indy Car split.
If Feld tried - and failed, what does that tell you?
Why is it so important to so many of you for them to change the pro racing format. I mean if you are pissed that you have to ride your 250 two stroke against 450s in your local vet race, that's one thing. But the pro level has nothing to do with 95% of the people on here. I think the "racing would be better" argument is absolute horse shit. If you want the racing to be better, use your time to make some better track designs.
The only plausible argument is that privateers (especially in the 250 class) have an ultimately harder time with bike problems/money issues than with the two strokes. As far as that goes, I have no answer.
The worst thing that could happen to the sport is for it to "split" it's series. I mean, how could you logically think that things would be better or that an extra series would even be successful for that matter
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On the Pro's off weekend hold races that are 2 stroke only. Riders must have a AMA Pro card.
Find good sponsors. Good tracks and offer a big purse for the riders. The series would be 3 or 4 races (depending on how many "off" weeks the Pro schedule has) spread across the country... 1 West Coast - 1 Race East Coast - 1 Race Midwest - 1 Race South.
Most of the top factory guy's wouldn't show up but I would guess that a lot of guys who run 10th and back would, especially if the money was right.
If there was a "PRO" 2 stroke race within 4-5 hours of me I know I would go.
Just my 2 cents.
style, lots of style.
I do not think another series would help, however I do think a few more big "one off" races like the MEC with whatever class structure they wanted would be awesome.
Honestly, why not start small with the reintroduction of 2 stroke pro racing , with a pro 125 Arenacross class?
Or even smaller, 2 stroke vet class at the MEC! I bet $100, 000 would bring out some of the 2 stroke riders everyone has such fond memories of.
So lets review.
We get to watch mx live on tv in HD.
The racing is as good as ever. The facilities are better and the tracks are brutally rough. Tons of talented riders. Great points battles and plenty of drama. Large crowds.
Yeah, we need another series.
As far as the 2 strokes go, give it a rest. I too wish the OEMs made them again so we would have a choice. But they don't.
I also think a 125 is a good stepping stone for a rider coming out of the 85cc class.
But I would argue, most riders would opt for a 4 stroke because they're more fun and easier to ride. IMO
At the races around here it's 95% 4 stroke even though 2 strokes are available here.
And the 250cc classes are just that, any 250. But their still is not very many.
If you were talking about the glorified Monster Energy advertisement we call supercross, I could support you on that.
And tradition.
All the great ones, in the USA anyway, were AMA Champions.
Not BooKoo, not WERA, not NEMA (or whatever they call it in New England).
Sure, show the money and the big guys would come.
But where you gonna get that kind of money?
Even if you went to the AMA and said,
"I'll give you half a million to put your logo and run the races in the Fall",
the powers that be would fight it.
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Truth be told, you'd most likely find a big chunk of the series out of your own pocket for a few years until it grew enough to get better backing. But for someone with very deep pockets, it is a possibility.
LOFUCKINGL.
the only thing i can remember reading about it, is the fight on the start line, and the resulting law suite,
DC is doing a great job I just think that now is a good time to make some changes and I would love to see a 125 class make a come back. Lots of us may have a different opinion then DC but I can assure you he is respected by us and I am glad he is running the show and the way he handled that shit stain Jeff Alessi was great, now the AMA could be dumped and I don't think anyone would mind.
While MXSports is doing a decent job with the Nationals, let's not anoint them quite yet shall we?
Sorry DC, but some of your minions are just loony.
why do you guys come on here trying to dictate or influence what DC has accomplished? If you want this than start your own series and compete against the established series, if you are more succesful and truly feel you are the pied piper of MX than please move forward and invest your time energy and money and make something out of it.
until then please just STFU and realize the biggest travisty in MX is cloe jacks being robbed of miss MEC!!!!
What it breaks down to in the end is talk here doesn't translate to fans in the stands or bikes on the line in real life. At least not so far in the events that are already run like the 2-stroke World Championships at Glen Helen. It's the track everyone here seems so in love with and the engine platform that is supposed to be taking over the world again. The race has been around a few years now and it still doesn't get full gates in either pro class. Our local annual "2-stroke only" race at Cycle Ranch doesn't even draw like a normal weekend event. While the 2-stroke cause is noble I don't think the real support is there for a full blown series unless someone puts up enough money to make it worth buying a bike for just a few rounds.
that pioneered many of the venues, and races, that came to be what we now call The Outdoors.
Tell me, my friends, out of 7 billion people, who else has that pedigree?
Who else has stepped up to the plate and devoted his life to the sport on a National level?
Who has the knowledge, the contacts, the plain gumption to take Coombs Jr.s job?
Tell me, I want to know.
And while you're at it, explain why the guy that runs Youthsream has no peer?
Is Loungo the only guy in all of Europe that can get things done?
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