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By the way, I have been reading DCs' replies, and while I don't necessarily agree. I can appreciate his point of view and the concerns he has in this regard. While I would like to see an equal displacement rule, I would have to defer to his opinions considering he is much more knowledgeable as to the health of the sport than I.
One of the things DC is concerned about.
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Their angle is obviously different. Mitch hates the idea because his brand doesn't even make a 2-stroke he can race, and that's a disadvantage. He along with Geico and all the other factory supported 250 programs just want a level playing field. The same options as other brand(s) would have if the rules were to change.
Give him an hours rest and then cut him loose for a thirty minute moto on a PC KX250.
I think the results would surprise you.
And it's time to move on to other issues, for me anyway.
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the fact that Coombs confirmed that the OEM want to keep the 2 strokes out is ALL the info you should need. its not a bunch of internet BS, its the truth now. they genuinely feel threatened that the 2 stroke would shine and they dont want it to shine because they dont sell one and dont want to. you think honda wants ktm or yamaha to be allowed to race 250 vs 250? no. their plan is to make money, and they make more money off 4 strokes, so you keep the 2 strokes from companies that that decided to keep them around, OUT of professional racing. what wins on Sunday sells on Monday, and they dont want anything but a 4 stroke selling on Monday, so it can break on Tuesday and come back to the shop on Wednesday.
People route for underdogs. a lot. forget about winning, do you think the OEMs want to see a couple 2 strokes even finish in the top 10 in the 250 class? no because even that will get the guys who like the underdog to go out and buy the cheaper overall bike in initial purchase and over the long haul.
It is about the manufactures making money. I get that. The majority of money made by the manufactures is not the sales of bikes themselves, but for all those additional moving parts that need replacement.
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Thank you DC.
The US nationals are the strongest supported series in the world, the riders trying to qualify make every other series look sick, trying to say Europe gets it is a bit of a reach, they run separate series because they have to fill up the 2 day events, the US series ones on one day, and i have to say, the last 2 GP's I went to in 2011 drag'd on with a heap of down time at the track, the one day format that DC runs is much superior IMO, I am not sure you can say that the rules are wrong for the US nationals when they are getting the most riders of any series in the world, by a long margin, holding Europe up as an example is a joke, Luongo's cash cow is not the best series in the world,
and one last thing DC, Darryll King won 2 championships in NZ on a YZ250, not Australia, we were the fist country to put the 2 strokes in with the 250F's in 2007, and I was one of the people that really pushed for it, 250F's still dominate the class with this year only 3 250 2 strokes in the top 15, There is still debate among the riders if they should be in the class, the big advantage of the 2 stroke is the starts, the disadvantage is holding onto them for 20 minutes plus one lap,
Also I Think it's not only the state of the economy but also the state of the sport. MX is loosing ground for several reasons. Loud decibels that travel far and to expensive Equipment is the easiest step to take, and we all know the cure for that.
Fuck Honda, our sport is better of without them if so.
I'd love a game of chess, but Tic-Tac-Toe seems better here.
CC vs CC will grow the sport.. you only need to look at all the examples of people who would not be racing if a 2stroke option didnt exist. I am one of them, i cant afford to maintain a 4 stroke throughout the race season. if the manufactorers wont produce them because of America's unfair displacement rules then i guess eventually i will have to quit MX all-together. I dont want a KTM or some 6 year old BNG 2stroke.
the reason kawasaki, Suzuki and Honda do not sell 250 2 strokes, or yamaha does not spend any money on theirs is because when they made both models, they sold 10 x 250F's to one 250 2 stroke, and since dirt bike sales world wide have halved since 2007, (although this year starting to show some life) the commercial decision was to keep the model that sold,
2b: i feel for you not having an "updated" jap choice really, but since youre not at the pro level, you dont really need a brand new model year 2 stroke to be competitive. you can get a honda as new as 07, a suzuki as new as 12, a yam/ktm as new as 13, a husky/tm as new as 14. there are choices out there, you just have a biased view on whats "good enough" for you.
besides, those rules dont apply to you. btw, its not "the manufacturers wont produce them because of America's unfair displacement rule", the rules are they way they are because thats how the MFGs WANT it. read the 250 vs 250 thread. its all there, out in the light from Coombs himself, the rules are catered to the MFGs because the MFGs want it that way. its an attempt to keep the MFGs involved...dont blame Americas unfair displacement rule, blame the very OEM you want to start making a bike that asked to kill them in the first place. nothing like supporting the 2 stroke movement by buying a bike from the very companies that slit the throat of them.
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