Bees-Arthritic racers' best friends?

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10/8/2013 8:49am
http://www.nba.com/history/players/walton_bio.html

Anyone that considers eating meet an enemy of the body and to training, should read this article. Certainly he had corrective surgery, several times, but his body never seemed to heal properly "The Mountain Man" as he was called, started healing and had more playing time once he added meat back into his diet. It was quite the topic back in the day, at how he was healthier and was on the floor more, once he returned to being a carnivore...Coincidence...maybe...
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10/8/2013 9:03am
eazrider wrote:
http://www.nba.com/history/players/walton_bio.html Anyone that considers eating meet an enemy of the body and to training, should read this article. Certainly he had corrective surgery, several times, but...
http://www.nba.com/history/players/walton_bio.html

Anyone that considers eating meet an enemy of the body and to training, should read this article. Certainly he had corrective surgery, several times, but his body never seemed to heal properly "The Mountain Man" as he was called, started healing and had more playing time once he added meat back into his diet. It was quite the topic back in the day, at how he was healthier and was on the floor more, once he returned to being a carnivore...Coincidence...maybe...
TFS would be proud !!
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10/8/2013 9:10am
For the average person, I consider all these crazy diets to be to way to confusing. I go with what Robb Beams says.(and these are not his exact words I'm paraphrasing and making it even simpler). If you have a piece of veggie/fruit and lean protein in every bite you'll do ok.

Now, I might not be the most healthy person in the world, but I've come to the conclusion that genetics will kill you at 60 before a couple bad meals will.

I also wonder how much if this "scientific herbal supplement research" followed by testimony is actually scientific or more a mix of placebo effect and confirmation bias mixed with a skewed "scientific" study who's only real purpose is to sell you a product.
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10/8/2013 9:11am Edited Date/Time 10/8/2013 9:12am
eazrider wrote:
http://www.nba.com/history/players/walton_bio.html Anyone that considers eating meet an enemy of the body and to training, should read this article. Certainly he had corrective surgery, several times, but...
http://www.nba.com/history/players/walton_bio.html

Anyone that considers eating meet an enemy of the body and to training, should read this article. Certainly he had corrective surgery, several times, but his body never seemed to heal properly "The Mountain Man" as he was called, started healing and had more playing time once he added meat back into his diet. It was quite the topic back in the day, at how he was healthier and was on the floor more, once he returned to being a carnivore...Coincidence...maybe...
TFS would be proud !!
TFS seemed pretty spot on to me, and made me question my weirdo diet, and go with a simpler solution. Miss his input on diets even if I didn't agree with all of it.

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10/8/2013 9:21am Edited Date/Time 10/8/2013 9:22am
eazrider wrote:
http://www.nba.com/history/players/walton_bio.html Anyone that considers eating meet an enemy of the body and to training, should read this article. Certainly he had corrective surgery, several times, but...
http://www.nba.com/history/players/walton_bio.html

Anyone that considers eating meet an enemy of the body and to training, should read this article. Certainly he had corrective surgery, several times, but his body never seemed to heal properly "The Mountain Man" as he was called, started healing and had more playing time once he added meat back into his diet. It was quite the topic back in the day, at how he was healthier and was on the floor more, once he returned to being a carnivore...Coincidence...maybe...
TFS would be proud !!
Choppy wrote:
TFS seemed pretty spot on to me, and made me question my weirdo diet, and go with a simpler solution. Miss his input on diets even...
TFS seemed pretty spot on to me, and made me question my weirdo diet, and go with a simpler solution. Miss his input on diets even if I didn't agree with all of it.
Yeah I miss him a lot too. I'd say that Kobe Bryant is the guy that TFS would be stoked on the most these days. Kobe switched to the whole paleo gig and has slowed his aging clock down. I was at his last game where he blew out his Achilles this year and to see him running on a treadmill now is down right unbelievable, he says he's in the best shape of his life and it showed this year during games. It's not some trick diet and there are no "products" you have to buy, it's simple food, and not all that hard to follow. In America we go shopping once a week, hard to keep stuff fresh, in Europe they go every other day if not daily, that's the best plan, fresh edible food and you eat what you have, not a shit ton of processed foods that keep for years (Ever seen the Simpsons where only the Twinkies factory and cockroaches made it?? haha best show).

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I thought LB was a motorcyclist best friend Dry

Thanks for the tip I am going shopping for some Tumeric today.
I've been taking a one a day vitamin, glucosamine, fish oil, magnesium, way to much ibuprofen, and 2 glasses of red wine every day and try to eat a somewhat healthy diet (which includes red meat) Not sure what even helps or hurts me anymore Sad ... but I am going to try adding Tumeric and see how it goes.
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Kryan5 wrote:
What about bacon? Please don't tell me you deprive your body of bacon! Thats more essential to the body than water! haha
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Wait till your over 40 Kryan and all those broken bones and beers catches up with you. You'll be drinking goats blood, sturgeon oil and eating...
Wait till your over 40 Kryan and all those broken bones and beers catches up with you. You'll be drinking goats blood, sturgeon oil and eating cheat grass salads to make the aches go away.Wink
Well hell I'm 42 and a tad over weight (5'11 190) and I eat all that shit and I don't hurt anywhere. Actually I fell pretty good. All I have noticed is the loss of speed and agility. I only noticed this when I was trying to wrestle with my sons. I feel good at 42.

BTW I drink no alcohol at all. I don't like the taste of the shit nor can I stand corn, okra, squash, cucumbers, tomatoes, or most other veggies. Although I do like all beans and potatoes.
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10/8/2013 11:19am Edited Date/Time 10/8/2013 11:21am
eazrider wrote:
http://www.nba.com/history/players/walton_bio.html Anyone that considers eating meet an enemy of the body and to training, should read this article. Certainly he had corrective surgery, several times, but...
http://www.nba.com/history/players/walton_bio.html

Anyone that considers eating meet an enemy of the body and to training, should read this article. Certainly he had corrective surgery, several times, but his body never seemed to heal properly "The Mountain Man" as he was called, started healing and had more playing time once he added meat back into his diet. It was quite the topic back in the day, at how he was healthier and was on the floor more, once he returned to being a carnivore...Coincidence...maybe...
I read the article and the thing that stood out to me was: He cut his hair, started eating meat again, stopped hanging out with Jack Scott, trimmed his Lincoln-esque beard, and tried to mend fences with the press. "I'm a different person now than I was when I came into the NBA," he said in an interview with Sport magazine.

The injuries, however, didn't stop


Besides pointing out there wasn't a correlation between not eating meat and injuries what is your point? For the record with the except of veal and goose and duck pate' I don't have any problem with what people choose to eat. i won't however sit at the same table as someone that is eating veal or pate'. What these creatures go through just so we can eat veal and pate' is beyond cruel IMHO.
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I thought LB was a motorcyclist best friend :dry: Thanks for the tip I am going shopping for some Tumeric today. I've been taking a one...
I thought LB was a motorcyclist best friend Dry

Thanks for the tip I am going shopping for some Tumeric today.
I've been taking a one a day vitamin, glucosamine, fish oil, magnesium, way to much ibuprofen, and 2 glasses of red wine every day and try to eat a somewhat healthy diet (which includes red meat) Not sure what even helps or hurts me anymore Sad ... but I am going to try adding Tumeric and see how it goes.
Hey Hut. Did you ever try Tumeric? I have been feeling my aches and pains this week when it occurred to me that I stopped taking Tumeric about two weeks ago! Been WFO with work and life and it just slipped by me that I ran out but I will get two bottles this time and restock when the first bottle runs out.
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Check out Bee venom therapy My acupuncturist turned me onto BVT and today was my fourth Wednesday in a row and I am up to 8 stings. 2 each in sacrum, IT band of left thigh and both sides of left calf. Goal is to get my calf to wake up and stop wasting. Combination of BVT and physical therapy has me feeling the best in YEARS. My chronic pain is 20 percent of what it was a month ago.
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I've been taking Braggs unfiltered Apple Cider Vinegar I don a shot of it with a chase of water supposed to use it in an 8oz...
I've been taking Braggs unfiltered Apple Cider Vinegar

I don a shot of it with a chase of water

supposed to use it in an 8oz glass of water but it tastes like shit to just sip on it so I just do about a shot and chase with water.

I find it easier to take when it is refridgerated.

I'll definately pick up some Tumeric, I have had 2 shoulder surgeries and have a constant dull pain in both shoulders.
put some baking soda in it. It will change your PH Balance. little less then half a tea spoon in a shot

less acidic, makes your blood alkaline.
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I've had good luck topically applying DMSO to knee and wrist joints. Slight skin irritation, but goes away after 10m.
Recent pulp mx interview with Jeff Stanton claimed changing to vege diet at the later years of his career was a bad choice.
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Joko wrote:
I've had good luck topically applying DMSO to knee and wrist joints. Slight skin irritation, but goes away after 10m. Recent pulp mx interview with Jeff...
I've had good luck topically applying DMSO to knee and wrist joints. Slight skin irritation, but goes away after 10m.
Recent pulp mx interview with Jeff Stanton claimed changing to vege diet at the later years of his career was a bad choice.
I'm not a vegetarian, but I think it probably had more to do with being a vegetarian and performing strenuous workouts every day like he was. For the average person, the veggie route won't be as dramatic.
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Bineano wrote:
Glucosamine... That stuff has been tremendous for helping me with joint pain and arthritis. Definitely gonna try turmeric now too!
I totally agree! I was taking it in pill form for a few months with decent results, then a friend suggest I try it in a liquid form. Works VERY well. Feels like it lubricates the joints. I highly recommend. That being said I'm going to have a look into Tumeric. Any added help would be a benefit.

Great post, thanks for the info 'Rock'
4/9/2015 11:06am
You guys should look into Kangen water...
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4/9/2015 11:13am
Read the whole article. Some interesting stuff I may try like turmeric. Now off to eat my rib-eye and baked taters.
4/9/2015 11:21am
To get the most out of Tumeric it should also have black pepper with it.
Piperine in Black Pepper Improves Curcumin Bioavailability

A report published in the October 1992 issue of the journal Clinical Pharmacokinetics may explain why the above-described studies (and other studies) have found turmeric and curcumin to perform somewhat poorly in in vivo studies: curcumin cannot be utilized effectively in the human body because of poor bioavailability. The poor bioavailability of turmeric and curcumin in turn is believed to result from the rapid metabolism of curcumin in the liver and intestinal wall.

But there may be a simple way to boost the effectiveness of turmeric and curcumin: season your turmeric-containing dish with a dash of black pepper! The 1992 paper also reported that when curcumin was given to rats in combination with piperine, its bioavailability increased by 154%. When human volunteers were given a combination of curcumin and piperine, instead of pure curcumin, the bioavailability of curcumin increased by a whopping 2000%! Moreover, the addition of piperine was found to enhance the serum concentrations of curcumin and the extent of its absorption, both in the test animals and the human volunteers.
You can buy Tumeric suppliments with black pepper in it.

It's a pain in the ass to make but Golden Milk is another way to combat inflammation
.http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/ART03511/Dr-Weil-Anti-Inflammatory-Golden-M…



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I'm not a vegetarian, but I think it probably had more to do with being a vegetarian [i]and[/i] performing strenuous workouts every day like he was...
I'm not a vegetarian, but I think it probably had more to do with being a vegetarian and performing strenuous workouts every day like he was. For the average person, the veggie route won't be as dramatic.
As a 38 plus year pescetarian i have not missed red meat poultry pork at all. the main reason I stopped eating meat was because I read an article that most of the long distance marathon runners were vegetarians. I also read an article that a Swedish firm had done showing that meat breaks down something in the blood directly related to stamina and as a racer I was sold....haven't looked back since.

Check out these vegetarians
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Michael, are you still taking Tumeric? If you are, can you tell me exactly which kind / brand? These kind of threads perk my ears up more than a thread guaranteeing a Euro / American bash thread any day.. I am not getting any younger, many parts are starting to hurt, which really sucks because I am at my lowest weight (150lbs), and highest fitness level in years. I have found over the past couple of years that running is my 'thing' and i know it isn't easy on my joints which can't decide how they feel about it all. I have been taking Tart Cherry and I really don't think it does a thing. If you are still sold on Tumeric, I would love to give it a try.

Thanks!!
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I am absolutely still taking it. There is a picture of the Tumeric I use in this thread. It comes from Maui Medicinal and their phone is 800 936 6532.

There is a store in Kahului (also known as "town" to us upcountry people) Alive and Well that you can look up on the web. They offer killer shipping off island but I am not sure if they sell the Tumeric I take. I usually get it to Down to Earth but don't think they offer shipping like Alive and Well. I haven't seen him as I am not in there frequently but Woody Harrelson goes to Alive and Well.

Keep us posted....everyone I have turned onto Tumeric is still taking it.
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I am absolutely still taking it. There is a picture of the Tumeric I use in this thread. It comes from [url=http://www.mauimedicinal.com]Maui Medicinal[/url] and their phone...
I am absolutely still taking it. There is a picture of the Tumeric I use in this thread. It comes from Maui Medicinal and their phone is 800 936 6532.

There is a store in Kahului (also known as "town" to us upcountry people) Alive and Well that you can look up on the web. They offer killer shipping off island but I am not sure if they sell the Tumeric I take. I usually get it to Down to Earth but don't think they offer shipping like Alive and Well. I haven't seen him as I am not in there frequently but Woody Harrelson goes to Alive and Well.

Keep us posted....everyone I have turned onto Tumeric is still taking it.
Thank you for the response. Any suggestion for milligrams? More is better I assume? I will likely just go to my local Super Supplements where I buy the rest of my stuff and hope the quality is comparable.

BTW, I love Maui geography. I contemplated many times if I could live there or not (with young kids). If I can ever afford to go anywhere, we always end up on Maui. I prefer south Kehei, but we lately have been in North Ka'anapali. We explore, hike (Pipiwai Trail is my lifelong favorite thought it has gotten too commercial and crowded), beach-bum, we don't just stay at a resort and pick our noses. We are headed back in 1 year, 3 months. I know tourists that actually explore drive the locals nuts, we do our best to mind local habits and be respectful.

Anyway, thank you for the info on Turmeric!
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4/10/2015 9:53pm
I take 800 to 1300 mg a day. Got new Tumeric with Curcumin Synergy to compliment the tumeric I've been taking.

Regarding living here with a family I hear you. Food cost is a major issue plus travel back to the mainland is not cheap either. Pros and cons with everything. Have a good weekend and good luck with the Tumeric.
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Well hell I'm 42 and a tad over weight (5'11 190) and I eat all that shit and I don't hurt anywhere. Actually I fell pretty...
Well hell I'm 42 and a tad over weight (5'11 190) and I eat all that shit and I don't hurt anywhere. Actually I fell pretty good. All I have noticed is the loss of speed and agility. I only noticed this when I was trying to wrestle with my sons. I feel good at 42.

BTW I drink no alcohol at all. I don't like the taste of the shit nor can I stand corn, okra, squash, cucumbers, tomatoes, or most other veggies. Although I do like all beans and potatoes.
That is great you don't hurt anywhere. How many broken bones and injuries have you amassed to date? I know if I hadn't collected a dozen or so fractures over four decades my requirement for Tumeric, daily exercise, swimming, massage,, acupuncture and bee venom therapy might be a non issue.

BTW I tell my friends and doctors/strangers who ask "is it worth it?" that if you had a magic wand that could erase all of my injries and give me a body with no aches and pains BUT at the expense of erasing a lifetime of racing experiences I would say NO THANK YOU.
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Any noticeable effects, positive or negative on the wood? Hey I'm over 40 so anything I take, that has to be a consideration.
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Zero effect on wood. On the wood subject I heard a doctor say the penis is the canary in the coal mine. If a man has issues with wood Viagra is only a patch and more needs to be investigated. The ED condition can usually be tracked to being overweight, poor circulation, lack of exercise, diet etc but as we know in America we need the quick fix like a pill not a long term solution like taking better care of ourselves.
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4/13/2015 12:25pm Edited Date/Time 4/13/2015 12:28pm
Uncured local clean/farm raised bacon.

Maybe there is a god.


From The Onion...

MARIN, CA—Admitting that the odd lifestyle change was not something they’d ever choose for themselves, sources close to local man Andrew Gosselin confirmed Wednesday that the 35-year-old is currently trying out some sort of fad diet where he eats flavorful meals that make him feel good. “Andrew’s on this weird thing where he can only eat food that’s made with fresh ingredients and that leaves him feeling healthy and energetic,” said friend Luke Abramson, describing the “ridiculous, totally high-maintenance” regimen that requires Gosselin to consume balanced dishes that are wholesome and satisfying but don’t result in the software programmer becoming bloated, uncomfortable, or fatigued. “He must see the strange, skeptical looks everyone gives him whenever he's eating nutritious and full-flavored foods, but he actually seems to be into it. It's really bizarre to have lunch with someone who eats like that.” Abramson added that Gosselin's trendy diet couldn't last much longer, as it required the man to perform such exhausting and onerous tasks as going to the store, picking out fresh produce, and bringing it home roughly once a week.
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The Onion is a satirical online news outlet.
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You guys should look into Kangen water...
Are you a believer DV? or was that sarcasm? My dad runs it, says it has made a big difference for him. The machine is quite expensive so I'm having trouble pulling the trigger.
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10 stings today. Same 8 as last week but 2 in back of left shoulder. The atrophy in both my left calf and thigh is 80 percent better now after five weeks of BVT along with physical therapy.

Hope I get two more treatments in before I leave at the end of the month which would be 14 stings in one treatment along with acupuncture. When I get back if I want to resume the treatment I have to go back to starting off with 2 stIngs and build from there. The way I am feeling now I think I'll just continue exercising I won't have to go to do the BVT any longer.

And yes Virginia it hurts like a mofo but the gain is worth the pain.

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