Suggestion list for improving SX & MX course design

The Rock
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Edited Date/Time 1/17/2012 3:03pm
1) Adopt FIM course specs for MX jump size and spacing. We just adopted their sound levels which were an excellent idea so let's take a lead from the people who started the sport of MX to improve safety.

2) Use 2009 as the year to have SX tracks like the one we had at A2 this year. We need more technical sections (off camber, sand sections, flat turns instead of bowl turns) instead of having the course be 99.9 percent whoops & jumps.

3) Hold Nationals on Saturday to provide the best racing surface to the riders who go the fastest.

4) Do not hold any more Nationals at night.

5) Lower the speeds on sections directly after the first turn to reduce the chances of another Alessi Red Bud type incident.

6) Introduce lights at National track like are used in SX to let the riders know they're approaching a situation. Since they're held during the day use white strobe lights like on runways.

7) Reduce the number of SX type obstacles on National tracks to keep the outdoors from becoming SX tracks outdoors.

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TDB519
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8/25/2008 10:49pm
8) 3 night races a year

9) Anchor tied to Stewarts fender

The Rock
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8/25/2008 10:53pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:11pm
TDB519 wrote:
8) 3 night races a year

9) Anchor tied to Stewarts fender

8) What is your reasoning for night races? Having the temperatures be lower? I think they're more dangerous.


9) Anchor suggestion would be for SX only since James won't be racing any Nationals in 2009.
8/26/2008 1:18am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:11pm
10)Have more Nationals and less Supercrosses.
x2 but interesting note though i was on another board and they mentioned a 1 moto format with heat races ala SX for nationals might be coming to a national near you....Angry

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MORE SAND!!!!!
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8/26/2008 6:16am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:11pm
3 class advancement system in order to make the premier class premier again.

1. Rookies and regional level riders. 250F
2. Riders pointed out of class 1 and satellite level riders. 250F
3. Riders pointed out of class 2 and what are the top 10 riders in lites & mx now. 450F
It makes a more proper pecking order and would tighten up the field.

Also change up the format and amount of riders in each class.
Helps the racing and doesn't spread the purse so thin.

8/26/2008 6:25am
The Rock wrote:
1) Adopt FIM course specs for MX jump size and spacing. We just adopted their sound levels which were an excellent idea so let's take a...
1) Adopt FIM course specs for MX jump size and spacing. We just adopted their sound levels which were an excellent idea so let's take a lead from the people who started the sport of MX to improve safety.

2) Use 2009 as the year to have SX tracks like the one we had at A2 this year. We need more technical sections (off camber, sand sections, flat turns instead of bowl turns) instead of having the course be 99.9 percent whoops & jumps.

3) Hold Nationals on Saturday to provide the best racing surface to the riders who go the fastest.

4) Do not hold any more Nationals at night.

5) Lower the speeds on sections directly after the first turn to reduce the chances of another Alessi Red Bud type incident.

6) Introduce lights at National track like are used in SX to let the riders know they're approaching a situation. Since they're held during the day use white strobe lights like on runways.

7) Reduce the number of SX type obstacles on National tracks to keep the outdoors from becoming SX tracks outdoors.

8)

9)

10)
Have you tried TT Racing?
bogdan912
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8/26/2008 6:26am
To advance riders to 450 sooner why don't they make the 250f class regional like arenacross? 4 races per region, 3 regions, 3 regional champions. This would move the big hitters to the big leagues and allow a stronger farm system.
Larry
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8/26/2008 6:27am
Rubberband starts.
Joe Bruce
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8/26/2008 6:30am
give points to all places not just the top 20. absolutly more one off type obsticals, ie.off camber wash outs. cliff faces right out of a turn, slow speed tech stuff like on the track in the field or woods by your house, less freeway
mxpimp
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8/26/2008 8:18am
"1) Adopt FIM course specs for MX jump size and spacing. We just adopted their sound levels which were an excellent idea so let's take a lead from the people who started the sport of MX to improve safety. "

I like the american tracks better then the European style. I say no way on this one.

"4) Do not hold any more Nationals at night. "

Nothing wrong with having one night race. Mixes things up a bit.

"7) Reduce the number of SX type obstacles on National tracks to keep the outdoors from becoming SX tracks outdoors."

I think your right to a curtain point but the sport has evolved. Nothing wrong with making the nationals a little more jumping. The current tracks are fine.
todder
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8/26/2008 8:24am Edited Date/Time 8/26/2008 8:34am
Get ride of the stupid lites name. Have caution lights where it makes sense to have the track personnel on back side of a jump or blind section.For what they spend on stupid VIP tents and pork chops on stick they could rig the whole track with caution lights.
socalmx716
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8/26/2008 8:31am
The Rock wrote:
8) What is your reasoning for night races? Having the temperatures be lower? I think they're more dangerous. 9) Anchor suggestion would be for SX only...
8) What is your reasoning for night races? Having the temperatures be lower? I think they're more dangerous.


9) Anchor suggestion would be for SX only since James won't be racing any Nationals in 2009.
James said he wants to defend his title, so we'll see about no nationals.
gp
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8/26/2008 8:34am
Make the tracks safer so most of the riders can compete the whole season. By the end of SX season, it's only Fred from down the street left. The big names are sitting on the bench with crutches.
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8/26/2008 9:17am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:11pm
gp wrote:
Make the tracks safer so most of the riders can compete the whole season. By the end of SX season, it's only Fred from down the...
Make the tracks safer so most of the riders can compete the whole season. By the end of SX season, it's only Fred from down the street left. The big names are sitting on the bench with crutches.
Glad you and Joe Bruce understand where I am coming from.....not looking to make the tracks like a TT track but how many more years do we want to lose so many people to injuries.


For every top rider you know of, how many dozens of amateurs get hurt in almost every state due to massive doubles and triples?


CRF250rider-More sand sounds good!
8/26/2008 9:23am
1.) Make SX triples bigger. 75' atleast.
2.)More rider designed tracks
3.)Off cambers in sx
4.)small whoops in corners, they did it in the 90's, and have a time or 2 recently.
5.)More night races
mxpimp
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8/26/2008 9:25am
I think it's just a matter of time before the pros get hurt. They race like 30 weekend a year out of 52. That does not include the Europe stuff. Plus all the riding during the week just about every week. It's only a matter of time before they get hurt.
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40 rider gates at supercross main events
Tbill
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8/26/2008 9:37am
I think jumps are over used. I would like to see more technical sections that don't involve jumps. I’m not talking about Enduro Cross technical. Supercross and Endurocross need ridiculous obstacles to sell the spectacle to the masses. Motocross should be different. I realize that Motocross is no longer the natural terrain it used to be, but some of those obstacles were fun to race on and over. Anyone here remember the

A very technical sand track on the series would be neat.

Just my .02.
8/26/2008 9:38am
Introduce an "Overall AMA Champ" title, i.e. the guy who scored the most points in both Indoor and Outdoor racing throughout the year, make this the most prestigious and sought after AMA title so as to stop losing riders outdoors due to the 'indoor only' contract that is becoming more and more popular.

Ok it doesn't improve the courses, but I threw it in there anyways because I love watching the nationals. Smile
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8/26/2008 9:48am
The Rock wrote:
1) Adopt FIM course specs for MX jump size and spacing. We just adopted their sound levels which were an excellent idea so let's take a...
1) Adopt FIM course specs for MX jump size and spacing. We just adopted their sound levels which were an excellent idea so let's take a lead from the people who started the sport of MX to improve safety.

2) Use 2009 as the year to have SX tracks like the one we had at A2 this year. We need more technical sections (off camber, sand sections, flat turns instead of bowl turns) instead of having the course be 99.9 percent whoops & jumps.

3) Hold Nationals on Saturday to provide the best racing surface to the riders who go the fastest.

4) Do not hold any more Nationals at night.

5) Lower the speeds on sections directly after the first turn to reduce the chances of another Alessi Red Bud type incident.

6) Introduce lights at National track like are used in SX to let the riders know they're approaching a situation. Since they're held during the day use white strobe lights like on runways.

7) Reduce the number of SX type obstacles on National tracks to keep the outdoors from becoming SX tracks outdoors.

8)

9)

10)
My brother builds safe fun tracks for Pros and Amateurs that aren't dangerous, people think you just go out there and build an obstacle and it's a track, you need to look at the landing besides take off, it's a lot more mathematical/technical then you think, that's why I get a kick out of guys who build tracks, shitty ones and think they are a track builder.

my brother and rich winkler put a lot of thought into their tracks, come up with designs, amounts of dirt, measure everything, there is a lot of brain work into building a safe fun track. That's still enticing to ride, not everyone wants a flat track.

S
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-eagle- wrote:
3 class advancement system in order to make the premier class premier again. 1. Rookies and regional level riders. 250F 2. Riders pointed out of class...
3 class advancement system in order to make the premier class premier again.

1. Rookies and regional level riders. 250F
2. Riders pointed out of class 1 and satellite level riders. 250F
3. Riders pointed out of class 2 and what are the top 10 riders in lites & mx now. 450F
It makes a more proper pecking order and would tighten up the field.

Also change up the format and amount of riders in each class.
Helps the racing and doesn't spread the purse so thin.

I like the above idea about rookies and local/regional pro card holders having a race class with advancement points. I also agree with reducing the number of riders in the 250 and 450 mains.
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8/26/2008 9:51am
i definitely say more rider designed tracks.

the years they were running the long downhill start at budds were epic for the fans, and I venture to say much safer for the riders. If you gotta have a pinched first turn like southwick (and the new budds start), you shouldn't let the 450's get up into 4th gear WFO before they are hitting a 40 man pileup in a corner.
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8/26/2008 9:58am
They need to make the woops BIGGER! If there nose drops they need to endo.....

The triples need to be so big that only the best guys are jumping them and that still would not be every lap.

They need to bring back the Tunnels and the stand sections.

They need more obstacles that will separate the men from the boys.

The tracks are a lot less dangerous right now and look at how many riders are hurt ?
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8/26/2008 10:07am
The speeds and power these bikes develop now are way too much for high speed tracks designs. Many riders are going down (injured) because of this. The riders have to concentrate at all times or they are toast. Not sure what the answer is because the top riders can handle this, but one lapse of concentration and it's bench time.
As far as track design only qualified builders should build the SX for sure. The Nationals should not have SX type obstacles. It should be natural terrain like the Saddle back and Carlsbad days. Remember when a T-Rex would chase you down Banzai Hill!
8/26/2008 10:07am
CC for CC.

Low Db limits.

In the outdoors, have a 125 class for new pros, make it a single 20 minute sprint moto.

Stop grooming the tracks. Make sure there are multiple lines available before the racing begins, but except for the starting line and things that are downright dangerous, keep the tractors off the track.

Although adding sand seems to be the latest thing, I really do think that different tracks should have different types of dirt. This can also make the racing more exciting, look at how certain riders in the past did really well at specific tracks. Today only Southwick has such a pull. Make at least 1 round with hard pack, blue groove, near-asphalt like conditions like Carlsbad was. How about a grass track, or one with multiple mud sections?

twizzler
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8/26/2008 10:11am
They should stop making every national track like Southwick (sand)!
8/26/2008 10:24am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:11pm
If you're talking "Pro" only tracks, then I dont think they should change much. These guys are pros and get payed to display their skills. This whole "bikes are too powerful and suspension is too good" is a bunch of crap. This is MX!

As far as SX, I personally would like to see tracks more like A2. The others were just too tame. Triples should not be jumped by 250f riders that cant even make the main and 450s at 1/2 throttle. Whoops should seperate the men form the boys.

Now, as far as local tracks, those should be tamer.
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8/26/2008 10:25am
The rougher and gnarlier tracks should keep the speed down. Quit grooming the tracks between motos. Let the jumps rut up so people will think twice before hucking it over. Moto should be natural terrain with some enhancements, not a 2 minute sx track.

Jabjr222
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8/26/2008 10:26am
Totally agree, more rider designed tracks (with good builders involved) for SX. A2 was great this year.

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