Elsinore and Miller Damper Outdoor Series

petie11o5
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Edited Date/Time 8/25/2013 10:10pm
These are NOT outdoor motocross tracks. I usually do not miss watching races such as RedBud, Millville, Unadilla, etc on TV. Switched channels after 3 minutes of watching Miller, will probably do the same tomorrow for Elsinore. You know the tracks are bad when you are watching, and think to yourself that the local tracks you ride have better dirt/layout than these, which are on a National caliber. The outdoor series needs to get its shit together. Tracks like Baja Acres and Monster Mountain look 100 times more National caliber than these venues. Sorry to be another bitching fan, but the fact that these tracks are on the circuit is insane.
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8/23/2013 5:12pm
This has to be about money. I would love to see MX Sports get the boot! Then get GH and Southwick back. Lots of happy fans!
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8/23/2013 5:41pm
That track in Jacksonville looks nice. But the Vital experts have told me all week that track is not worthy of a motocross national. It is built on flat ground and is an outdoor SX. To race on those conditions would surely ruin the sport.
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8/23/2013 6:00pm
DownSouth wrote:
That track in Jacksonville looks nice. But the Vital experts have told me all week that track is not worthy of a motocross national. It is...
That track in Jacksonville looks nice. But the Vital experts have told me all week that track is not worthy of a motocross national. It is built on flat ground and is an outdoor SX. To race on those conditions would surely ruin the sport.
Come on bro!

"Natural terrain motocross"

^^ That track looks really nice

The Shop

8/23/2013 6:04pm
i've been to WW Ranch and at Elsinore now. HUGE difference. WW ranch is really cool and fun to ride but i don't know 100% about a national there, deffinately an awesome venue of an am national. but probably better than utah and elsinore, deff better dirt! I dont get why they dont give Dreamtraxx a shot at building one of these new tracks. I've herd Marc Peters will be doing the new track in indiana also.
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petie11o5 wrote:
These are NOT outdoor motocross tracks. I usually do not miss watching races such as RedBud, Millville, Unadilla, etc on TV. Switched channels after 3 minutes...
These are NOT outdoor motocross tracks. I usually do not miss watching races such as RedBud, Millville, Unadilla, etc on TV. Switched channels after 3 minutes of watching Miller, will probably do the same tomorrow for Elsinore. You know the tracks are bad when you are watching, and think to yourself that the local tracks you ride have better dirt/layout than these, which are on a National caliber. The outdoor series needs to get its shit together. Tracks like Baja Acres and Monster Mountain look 100 times more National caliber than these venues. Sorry to be another bitching fan, but the fact that these tracks are on the circuit is insane.
cycle ranch in san antonio is just hanging out, being awesome...

then these two pilks of shit come on the scene

i hope they dont keep this trend going with these lame ass tracks. i dont buy the whole "we need to attract main stream sponsors and have professional events, blabla" that's what supercross is for

i dont get why it'd be that difficult to install some bathrooms and whatever other upgrades need to be done to existing tracks to make it more spectator friendly
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8/23/2013 7:03pm
These tracks do not provide good racing. Isn't it sad to say that if someone flew myself and my bike to Elsinore or Miller (National Tracks) I would not want to ride them. It wasn't even fun watching RV2 or Tomac this past weekend. Outdoors is supposed to be fast, wide open and flowing. We see enough technical BS during the winter months. I have never been one to complain but after watching te Tomac Elsinore helmet cam, how can you not complain? These are NOT outdoor motocross tracks. Look at the fucking dirt!!! I don't care how much sand or wood chips or money they spent on building obstacles, the best tracks have this naturally.
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I was at Elsinore last year and it was very ehh. I'm not liking the track design this year, but will reserve my judgement until I see it first hand tomorrow.
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8/23/2013 8:30pm
Elsinore and Miller definitely aren't amazing. But I'm not about to leave if I'm watching a race there!
8/23/2013 9:55pm Edited Date/Time 8/23/2013 10:33pm
That is no different than Freestone,Utah, or Lake Elsinore the only difference is the weather might be better.
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8/23/2013 10:05pm Edited Date/Time 8/23/2013 10:08pm
lostboy819 wrote:
That is no different than Freestone,Utah, or Lake Elsinore the only difference is the weather might be better.
Freestone kicks Utah and Elsinore's asses. Freestone actually has 30-40' of natural elevation change, 10x better dirt and TREES!
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8/23/2013 10:16pm
If dirt bikes are racing... I will watch. I don't care what kind of track they're on.
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8/23/2013 10:18pm
Damper?
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8/23/2013 10:21pm
lostboy819 wrote:
That is no different than Freestone,Utah, or Lake Elsinore the only difference is the weather might be better.
CamP wrote:
Freestone kicks Utah and Elsinore's asses. Freestone actually has 30-40' of natural elevation change, 10x better dirt and TREES!
x2

freestone was by no means a great track for a national, but it was certainly better than pala, miller motorsports park and lake elsinore.
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8/23/2013 10:24pm
rc4187 wrote:
If dirt bikes are racing... I will watch. I don't care what kind of track they're on.
^^^ This. You asshats need something else to complain about.
8/23/2013 10:36pm
lostboy819 wrote:
That is no different than Freestone,Utah, or Lake Elsinore the only difference is the weather might be better.
CamP wrote:
Freestone kicks Utah and Elsinore's asses. Freestone actually has 30-40' of natural elevation change, 10x better dirt and TREES!
What are these trees that you speak about, in Colorado I don't think there are 3 trees total at all the tracks in the state.
8/23/2013 10:37pm
It is a cool looking track
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8/23/2013 11:20pm
quit bitching
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8/23/2013 11:30pm Edited Date/Time 8/23/2013 11:30pm
rc4187 wrote:
If dirt bikes are racing... I will watch. I don't care what kind of track they're on.
avidchimp wrote:
^^^ This. You asshats need something else to complain about.
^^x2

Sometimes those "shitty" tracks provide better racing. I'll be at Elsinore sweating my ass off in dirty hot ass weather, but I wouldn't rather be doing anything else besides riding myself. I'm watching the best dirt bikers in the world WFO in person...

Too many whiners wanting trees, grass, shade and unicorns prancing in the nearby forests under rainbows of mist.
8/23/2013 11:36pm Edited Date/Time 8/23/2013 11:38pm
dean122 wrote:
^^x2 Sometimes those "shitty" tracks provide better racing. I'll be at Elsinore sweating my ass off in dirty hot ass weather, but I wouldn't rather be...
^^x2

Sometimes those "shitty" tracks provide better racing. I'll be at Elsinore sweating my ass off in dirty hot ass weather, but I wouldn't rather be doing anything else besides riding myself. I'm watching the best dirt bikers in the world WFO in person...

Too many whiners wanting trees, grass, shade and unicorns prancing in the nearby forests under rainbows of mist.
Yeah your are a badass ! I bet your faster than Jerry Robin !
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8/23/2013 11:47pm Edited Date/Time 8/24/2013 12:15am
lostboy819 wrote:
Yeah your are a badass ! I bet your faster than Jerry Robin !
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8/24/2013 12:34am
You won't get a better facility than Millers in Utah! They said on the Fly 60 show that the Ford Executives wouldn't step foot at any other venue on the circuit. You have to take the accommodations into consideration when thinking of outside sponsors.
There were plenty of riders that had positives to say about it. They have a 2-3 year contract give them time see how it works. You can say bad things about any place. There was plenty of passing going on. They are on the right track just need some tweaking!
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petie11o5 wrote:
These are NOT outdoor motocross tracks. I usually do not miss watching races such as RedBud, Millville, Unadilla, etc on TV. Switched channels after 3 minutes...
These are NOT outdoor motocross tracks. I usually do not miss watching races such as RedBud, Millville, Unadilla, etc on TV. Switched channels after 3 minutes of watching Miller, will probably do the same tomorrow for Elsinore. You know the tracks are bad when you are watching, and think to yourself that the local tracks you ride have better dirt/layout than these, which are on a National caliber. The outdoor series needs to get its shit together. Tracks like Baja Acres and Monster Mountain look 100 times more National caliber than these venues. Sorry to be another bitching fan, but the fact that these tracks are on the circuit is insane.
Lake Elsinore hasn't even happened yet...jeeez. I want all...ALL natural terrain. Who doesn't ? But if the racing is good and tight like quite a few of them have been I'm digging it at this point.
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8/24/2013 2:49am
You want perfectly good loamy dirt for all 12 rounds? ...We have that at pretty much every race east of the Mississippi

Trees and elevation? ...Since when was that a requirement for MX?

You want all natural terrain? ...Well get a time machine, 'cuz they've been building obstacles on MX tracks since the 80s

"Outdoor Supercross"??... I didn't see any 180 degree bowl turns, whoop sections, step on/offs, etc. at Miller or Elsinore last year. But I did see a shit ton of ruts, chewed up straightaways and jump faces, and generally gnarliness that made my butt pucker with no desire to ride it with my mortal skills

MX Sports has made it very clear road race facilities are not the "future" of the outdoor nationals. Theyre simply changing it up. It's a "national" championship circuit that should be indicative of the varying terrain and track styles that we have in the US.

Crickey! I mean I expect a bunch of whiners when I log on here but this crap about the nationals is getting ridiculous.
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I realize I'm likely in the minority, but I was pleasantly surprised with the way that the Utah track turned out. Maybe my expectations were lower or something, but the track itself seemed to be pretty good overall. The wind is just something that happens, not much you can blame anyone for there.
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8/24/2013 6:18am
You want perfectly good loamy dirt for all 12 rounds? ...We have that at pretty much every race east of the Mississippi Trees and elevation? ...Since...
You want perfectly good loamy dirt for all 12 rounds? ...We have that at pretty much every race east of the Mississippi

Trees and elevation? ...Since when was that a requirement for MX?

You want all natural terrain? ...Well get a time machine, 'cuz they've been building obstacles on MX tracks since the 80s

"Outdoor Supercross"??... I didn't see any 180 degree bowl turns, whoop sections, step on/offs, etc. at Miller or Elsinore last year. But I did see a shit ton of ruts, chewed up straightaways and jump faces, and generally gnarliness that made my butt pucker with no desire to ride it with my mortal skills

MX Sports has made it very clear road race facilities are not the "future" of the outdoor nationals. Theyre simply changing it up. It's a "national" championship circuit that should be indicative of the varying terrain and track styles that we have in the US.

Crickey! I mean I expect a bunch of whiners when I log on here but this crap about the nationals is getting ridiculous.
MX Sports cannot use venues with 40.000 or more seat capacity. I believe that is then in the realm of SX. More than so many seats and it is considered SX, which is owned by Field.

So you won't see them at road racing venues because they cannot do this legally. I guess that is one of the reasons Daytona is a SX, and not a national. Of course there are other reasons it is a SX
too....

Maybe someone can chime in here, but I heard something to that effect on Pulp MX.
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8/24/2013 6:37am
COAL-TRAIN wrote:
This has to be about money. I would love to see MX Sports get the boot! Then get GH and Southwick back. Lots of happy fans!
Maybe you'd like to see Youthstream take over?
8/24/2013 6:50am
All of these guys sitting on here whinning and complaining about it not being motocross this, and not being motocross that, are prolly not even riding any or hardly any at all, Just keyboard jockey's, I thought the MMP track from the comfort of my living looked like outdoor motocross to me, what in hell else was it. Half you idiot's on here couldn't even make a lap around that BEAST (I couldn't either for that matter) While I was sitting there watching the race I was thinking for all the crap I've heard about this place being flat, It has a decent amount of elevation like the start and lots of other places. It had 20 lines all around the track and the same guys that own real motocross tracks, owned this one. You guys sound like a bunch of old bastards that don't want any change, But the track made me think, SHIT, Those guys are world class to ride that BEAST that FAST ! An that's what I thought the first time I seen Budds Creek in person, and Muddy Creek Nationals in person, and I have raced both tracks myself and have never seen the tracks in the shape they are in when the nationals roll around.
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8/24/2013 6:59am
All of these guys sitting on here whinning and complaining about it not being motocross this, and not being motocross that, are prolly not even riding...
All of these guys sitting on here whinning and complaining about it not being motocross this, and not being motocross that, are prolly not even riding any or hardly any at all, Just keyboard jockey's, I thought the MMP track from the comfort of my living looked like outdoor motocross to me, what in hell else was it. Half you idiot's on here couldn't even make a lap around that BEAST (I couldn't either for that matter) While I was sitting there watching the race I was thinking for all the crap I've heard about this place being flat, It has a decent amount of elevation like the start and lots of other places. It had 20 lines all around the track and the same guys that own real motocross tracks, owned this one. You guys sound like a bunch of old bastards that don't want any change, But the track made me think, SHIT, Those guys are world class to ride that BEAST that FAST ! An that's what I thought the first time I seen Budds Creek in person, and Muddy Creek Nationals in person, and I have raced both tracks myself and have never seen the tracks in the shape they are in when the nationals roll around.
I'm probably one of the old bastards you refer to. lol

But I agree with you 100%. Change is good.
There's a hell of a lot more DC has to worry about than our opinions.
Like outside sponsors, they're the life blood of racing.

Overall, I thought the MMP race was good as well.
Rough as hell and lots of ruts. There's no exact definition for an outdoor mx track.
As far as Elsinore goes, I'll reserve judgement until after the race.

Btw, I couldn't last more than a lap either on that rough sob.
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COAL-TRAIN wrote:
This has to be about money. I would love to see MX Sports get the boot! Then get GH and Southwick back. Lots of happy fans!
Can we please get over the whole "MX Sports" got rid of Gh and Southwick? Jeez.

we've been through this a million times.

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