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JR85 did 11th in B class for two reasons:
1) bike development over the past couple of decades has been very slow. Compare that to the '70s where a 3 year old bike would be a severe handicap).
2) Jerry is a very talented and strong rider.
Its a combination of both.of these factors.
No reason someone could not do it again.
I understand that 1985 CR480's were pretty nice bikes!
2013 250F:
. Buy a bike $8k
. Hop up parts to get it to 45HP: $1000 (no, wait that was just the exhaust pipe!).
. First rebuild -- roll the dice and wait till the end of the season to do it: $1500
. So the first season costs over $11,000 but you look spiffy and up to date.
Ok, now go out and buy a 2002 YZ250:
. $3000 for a really, really low hour clean one. (http://hanford.craigslist.org/mcy/3978415754.html)
. You still don't trust it so, rip apart the engine, new main bearings and seals, rebuild the crank, replate, new top end, yada yada -- $1000, Plan a new top end at the end of the season as well, another $500.
. Suspension service and revalve, $800
. new bushings, wheel bearings, steering head bearings, new seals, grease all fittings, new brake pads, new fluid. $900
. New tires and tubes $300
. First season: $7000 on what is a now new YZ250 with up to date valving.
After 3 seasons? Plan each bike has a top end failure at some point:
. Bill for the 250F? Well, just sell it and get a new bike.
. Bill for the YZ? probably less than $700.
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Also, if anyone is paying $8k for a new bike, then you're retarded. I get a new 450 every season and use it for 2 seasons for $500-$1500 (If that much) and repeat the cycle. Buy new bike, use it as race bike for a year, retire it to practice bike, sell old practice bike (which was a race bike the previous year), buy new race bike, and repeat. Of course it would be more costly with 250F's depending on how hard you ride, but that's why my dad and I have agreed to only race 450's for now.
Oh and of course keep your bike maintained so you can sell it after 2 years!
For the sake of my argument I had an 08 YZ250 in 2010 and it was far less reliable then the 2009 KX450F I also had at the time.
By the way, I am not bashing on people that ride older bikes or two strokes. I love older bikes, in fact, I'm trying to find a 10+ year old 125 for myself to dick around on around the local trails. All I'm saying is that it's not as big of a cost difference as everyone is making it out to be.
MSRP from Honda: $8,699 + destination Charge: $310.00: http://powersports.honda.com/2014/crf450r.aspx?cid=main_reprise/google/…
Keep it two years. Hope when you try to sell it you don't have this guy for competition, $5000: http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/mcy/3931999253.html
so even if you get $2000 off the MSRP (which I admit in these economic times maybe you might so the dealer can move one of these things off the showroom floor) then you have lost $2000 before doing ANYTHING with the bike. No revalve, no consumables, no taking it to the shop for valve adjustment (yes, of course you can do it yourself but some folks look at the downside of doing it wrong and take it in).
So I don't know where you get that $500 to $1500 per year value. Maybe you are doing the federal governments books too?
LoL.
And I don't think less of folks that spring for these bikes, The manufacturers really need you. And the current crop of four stroke bikes are really amazing in what they can do these days. Nobody 20 years ago could have pictured production 250cc four strokes making around 40HP. Truly amazing stuff.
Afuckingmazing...
Ride what you want, for whatever reason you choose, be happy, and STFU.
If racing an old machine is the only way a guy can afford to stay in the sport and enjoy it, I think it's fantastic someone figured this out, and more power to them. I'd bet especially the guys who finished behind Jerry in those races smile and think it's really cool.
Pit Row
We just point out to folks that some bikes that cost lots less than others can still do well at the track. THAT IS ALL THIS THREAD IS ABOUT, Why is that such a surprise and, at least to some, such a radical thing to state?
The cheaper the entry cost the more folks will partake and the stronger our sport will be. It really is that simple. Now, a 12 year (or 28 year) old two stroke is a far more expensive piece that a set of football gear but there are ways you can get onto the track without a second mortgage. And do very well in the reults. Heck, taking time for physical conditioning is much more productive for lap times than some super mega-bomb exhaust any day of the week. ANY bike built in the past 10 (maybe 20?) years really can do ok in the C and B classes with the right rider! The rider may have to work a bit harder but that's what practice and the Gym are for.
So if you have a buddy that looks at your bike and thinks "boy, that might be kind of fun -- but I just don't have the $$$ for it" you can say "well, there are lots of options to get riding, and ALL of them are way too much fun".
i have a 2001 YZ250 that i have raced hard for about 10 years. the last few years i use it as a trail bike and every now and then on the track. that bike is fucking bullet-proof. sure i've replaced some pistons, rings, clutch-plates, had a seize here and there but other than that it is still a great bike.
starts up first kick after all this time and has power that would seriously surprise you.
show me a 2002 YZF that would do this.
less reliable... off your fuckin' rocker, bro.
back to the topic, this ship has sailed. ride what you enjoy and what you want, because in the end you're the one that pays for it all. i love my KTM 300, but that doesn't mean i didn't love my CRF450 before that. i'm just in a different part of life and find different things enjoyable. hell, i'll even settle for a handy after a date when 5 years ago i'd have kicked her out of the car for any less than a blowie
Just ride what you want, for whatever reason you choose, be happy, and STFU about it.
i was actually going to do everything i could to make it into an MC 2001 Mazda Chaparral replica at the end of last year but decided to hold off, then i bought my 300 and that idea is out the window. still have it though and ride it, but it's mainly a loaner bike for friends between rides.
stock yamaha blue plastic though, bro
you are a fuggin' dumbass sheep that is just pissing your money away riding oversized farting pigs that Honda has brainwashed you into thinking are fun while at the same time reaching into your pocket and stealing money for replacement parts to repair a bike that has been pre-programmed to explode after 15 minutes of use and and which costs $25,000 to rebuild
I didn't.
Ride what you like.
The current crop of 4 strokes are amazing bikes. Work really well, no doubt whatsoever.
BUT -- what tans my hide is the stupid rules that are in place to halt 2T development. 2T's that are cheaper to run than 4T.s Jerry Robin showed, with crystal clarity, that for amateurs a two stroke is plenty competitive. Even an old example of the type.
If you don't like that, well that's your problem
Not mine.
Have a great day and keep riding you four stroke. They are great bikes.
And I am getting $500 to $1500 a year because that's what I'm actually spending.
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