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mxracer816 7/28/2013 8:54am
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Two of the best personalities in our sport give us the best race of the year, and people still have found something to whine and bitch about. Stewie was obviously not upset about it so why even ask this question?
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Hut 7/28/2013 8:55am
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DonM wrote:
Another reason that the current point system is the way it is, is because if a rider DNF's a moto he is not penalized so severely...
Another reason that the current point system is the way it is, is because if a rider DNF's a moto he is not penalized so severely.
ie..In the current system a rider wins a moto and DNF's a moto he scores 25 points and will more than likely he will be in the top 10 OA...someone who goes 10-10 will have 22 pts.
In an olympic scoring system a 1-DNF would give 41pts while a 20-20 would be 40.
So if you paid the same points for an overall with olympic scoring...50 pts for an overall win regardless of the moto finishes a rider with a win and a DNF could score zero points and for anyone who has a DNF it's championship over.
There is nothing wrong with the current point system.
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[b]"In the current system a rider wins a moto and DNF's a moto he scores 25 points and will more than likely he will be in...
"In the current system a rider wins a moto and DNF's a moto he scores 25 points and will more than likely he will be in the top 10 OA...someone who goes 10-10 will have 22 pts."

So you think a guy who doesn't finish the race should get a better score than someone who raced the whole race(in this example)...... Interesting.

I disagree completely.
silver753 wrote:
I think a win should count for a bit more than 2nd or 3rd. It's the top step of the podium, and few ever reach it...
I think a win should count for a bit more than 2nd or 3rd. It's the top step of the podium, and few ever reach it, so it should be worth a liiiiiiiitle more.
Yeah but it's an easy argument to make that completing 2 motos should be valuable as well.
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mt798 7/28/2013 8:57am
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A $250 fine? What the hell kind of BS is that? Why would he be fined. It was an on track incident, he did not gain...
A $250 fine? What the hell kind of BS is that? Why would he be fined. It was an on track incident, he did not gain position and it was caused from racing a hard race. It is not like he purposley went off the track to miss the table. He was racing hard and trying to cover Stewart's line, the berm he was shooting for blew out, and he went off the track. I LOVE Dungey, but like someone said previously, did they fine him for blowing past the whoop section? Tomac was off the track first lap of Moto 1, I think it was Tomac, and he skipped the roller after the whoops section, did he get fined? I am a HUGE fan of all of the riders mentioned, but if you are going to punish one, you have to punish them all.
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The rule is not whether you gain a position but if you gain an advantage which he obviously did. And you're right, a $250 fine is...
The rule is not whether you gain a position but if you gain an advantage which he obviously did. And you're right, a $250 fine is bullshit. It's too lenient.
Yup, that fine shoulda been at least treefiddy!
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Lefty Right 7/28/2013 9:15am
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DA498 wrote:
Canard was in front of James when he went off, only gained some distance. These off track excursions are a tough call.
In the 70" and 80"S the whole track used to be snow fenced off.

There wasn't any going around any jumps or going off the track with out a rider losing a lot time.

they learned to not ride so close to the edge of the track..

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DonM 7/28/2013 9:20am
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DonM wrote:
Another reason that the current point system is the way it is, is because if a rider DNF's a moto he is not penalized so severely...
Another reason that the current point system is the way it is, is because if a rider DNF's a moto he is not penalized so severely.
ie..In the current system a rider wins a moto and DNF's a moto he scores 25 points and will more than likely he will be in the top 10 OA...someone who goes 10-10 will have 22 pts.
In an olympic scoring system a 1-DNF would give 41pts while a 20-20 would be 40.
So if you paid the same points for an overall with olympic scoring...50 pts for an overall win regardless of the moto finishes a rider with a win and a DNF could score zero points and for anyone who has a DNF it's championship over.
There is nothing wrong with the current point system.
smeg wrote:
[b]"In the current system a rider wins a moto and DNF's a moto he scores 25 points and will more than likely he will be in...
"In the current system a rider wins a moto and DNF's a moto he scores 25 points and will more than likely he will be in the top 10 OA...someone who goes 10-10 will have 22 pts."

So you think a guy who doesn't finish the race should get a better score than someone who raced the whole race(in this example)...... Interesting.

I disagree completely.
Yes, It makes for a better championship series...I don't have the time but it would be interesting to see what the differential in points would be in the two point systems I listed above (for the top 5).
I think if any changes are made to the current point system it should be something like bonus points for fastest qualifier, most laps led and overall finishes.
Either way this system is in place for both nationals and GP's and has been for some time and with any points system there is going to be issues, there is no perfect system.
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smeg 7/28/2013 9:39am
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I guess I am just an old school curmudgeon............. Blink

I agree no system will ever be "perfect".
sclark309d 7/28/2013 10:31am
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mxracer816 wrote:
Two of the best personalities in our sport give us the best race of the year, and people still have found something to whine and bitch...
Two of the best personalities in our sport give us the best race of the year, and people still have found something to whine and bitch about. Stewie was obviously not upset about it so why even ask this question?
No shit. I was amazed that James had to do a little blocking to keep Trey at bay.

First of all because in the old days a Stewie sprint for a couple laps would have taken care of any challenges (he is still the old James in my head, not merely "just" one of the fastest now) and

Secondly, because Trey has come back from two broken femurs AND a broken back that should have killed him to be racing at the front with the fastest guys in the world.

I write this as I sit here recovering from my first bad injury in 45 years of riding, a broken tib/fib bolted back together with 2 plates and 43 screws, then sewn up with 73 sutures, and wonder how the hell a guy can come back from what Trey (and RV too for that matter) came back from.

The sentimental sap in me was rooting hard for Trey, and altho he came up just short of the OA, he deserves HUGE props for returning again and again to a level the rest of us will never see.

Trey and RV represent everything I have always loved about motocross....most of all unstoppable determination.

I better stop now or I'm gonna cry.
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DonM 7/28/2013 10:33am
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smeg wrote:
I guess I am just an old school curmudgeon............. Blink

I agree no system will ever be "perfect".
So am I...started racing in 73...been around awhile...but don't forget the point system that's in place now is also old school.
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Bauer 7/28/2013 4:18pm
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I actually think that MXA has the best idea: Keep the current point system, but use the Olympic system for determining the overall winner each day.
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DA498 7/28/2013 4:25pm
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DA498 wrote:
Canard was in front of James when he went off, only gained some distance. These off track excursions are a tough call.
Lefty Right wrote:
In the 70" and 80"S the whole track used to be snow fenced off. There wasn't any going around any jumps or going off the track...
In the 70" and 80"S the whole track used to be snow fenced off.

There wasn't any going around any jumps or going off the track with out a rider losing a lot time.

they learned to not ride so close to the edge of the track..
I hear you, ive been up against those snow fences more than a time or two....Tongue
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dantheman 7/28/2013 4:40pm
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sclark309d, what's even crazier is Trey has broken that femur THREE times, not twice Shocked He states: "I enjoy racing my dirt bike more than I dislike being injured" Not verbatim jus' sumthin' like that. One tuff mofo
KaptenStarkvin 7/28/2013 4:51pm
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As many of you, I agree that Trey should be docked one position. He got fined $250. is that really what a position is worth?
Imagine all the positions MA800 could have bought if he left his cornhole brother at home last week!

btw, have you guys seen trey's twitter? That guy is completely bonkers! https://twitter.com/TreyCanard
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S.Loyer 7/28/2013 5:34pm
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KaptenStarkvin wrote:
As many of you, I agree that Trey should be docked one position. He got fined $250. is that really what a position is worth? Imagine...
As many of you, I agree that Trey should be docked one position. He got fined $250. is that really what a position is worth?
Imagine all the positions MA800 could have bought if he left his cornhole brother at home last week!

btw, have you guys seen trey's twitter? That guy is completely bonkers! https://twitter.com/TreyCanard
Why is Trey bonkers?
Because he likes to post bible verses?
sclark309d 7/28/2013 5:39pm
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Bauer wrote:
I actually think that MXA has the best idea: Keep the current point system, but use the Olympic system for determining the overall winner each day.
Concur
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Tarz483 wrote:
And the gear question its Fly gear if you really don't know and it looked fly today . I liked the colorcombo personally Smile
I liked the shake up today.Aside from that,all I know about Trey's gear...


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CAB214 7/28/2013 9:26pm
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burnside wrote:
$250 fine is pathetic. What is 250 bucks to Trey Canard and Factory Honda? To dock 1 position would have been totally fair in my opinion...
$250 fine is pathetic. What is 250 bucks to Trey Canard and Factory Honda?

To dock 1 position would have been totally fair in my opinion. Canard only swung wide to block Stewie, he swung so wide he ran out of track. Had he held his line Stewie would have passed fair and square. MX Sports/AMA obviously agree, but a $250 fine is futile and utterly worthless.
Agreed
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kongols 7/28/2013 9:35pm
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Bauer wrote:
I actually think that MXA has the best idea: Keep the current point system, but use the Olympic system for determining the overall winner each day.
How are you gonna explain to people that a guy with less points won overall?
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Lukejhn59 7/28/2013 11:28pm
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I'm impressed hat some of you even know what the internet is...... IDIOTS
Who ever has the most points at the end of the day gets the overall.... if theres a tie highest score in moto 2 gets it.
From what i saw, it looked like James gave Trey no where else to go but off the track. Im just wondering why one of you havent started a thread about Stewart cross jumping trey in moto 1....

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IWreckALot 7/29/2013 5:01am
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Lukejhn59 wrote:
I'm impressed hat some of you even know what the internet is...... IDIOTS Who ever has the most points at the end of the day gets...
I'm impressed hat some of you even know what the internet is...... IDIOTS
Who ever has the most points at the end of the day gets the overall.... if theres a tie highest score in moto 2 gets it.
From what i saw, it looked like James gave Trey no where else to go but off the track. Im just wondering why one of you havent started a thread about Stewart cross jumping trey in moto 1....
I'm right there with you. JS7 still got the win, Canard got a fine, it's time to drop it. After I watched the race, I wanted to come on here and find people chest bumping JS, TC, and JB for their awesome rides. Instead I came on here to find that someone wants to cut off the nicest guy in the sport's head. . .
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IWreckALot 7/29/2013 5:08am
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burnside wrote:
$250 fine is pathetic. What is 250 bucks to Trey Canard and Factory Honda? To dock 1 position would have been totally fair in my opinion...
$250 fine is pathetic. What is 250 bucks to Trey Canard and Factory Honda?

To dock 1 position would have been totally fair in my opinion. Canard only swung wide to block Stewie, he swung so wide he ran out of track. Had he held his line Stewie would have passed fair and square. MX Sports/AMA obviously agree, but a $250 fine is futile and utterly worthless.
CAB214 wrote:
Agreed
What monetary fine would be acceptable? $1,000? $10,000? $100,000? TC doesn't have a record of cutting the track, and docking him one position wouldn't make any impact on his overall standings. . . The $250 is just a warning shot.
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Crash82 7/29/2013 5:30am
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dazzlindino wrote:
trey was guided by the hand of jesus.........
Baby Jesus or grown up Jesus?
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Crash82 7/29/2013 5:33am
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sclark309d wrote:
What if Mike Alessi had done what Trey did? Holy Mother of God.....

Carry on
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ROFL that's the funniest thing I've ever read on this board ever. So damn true.
If Mike Alessi did what Trey did it would be more than 800 did the weekend he got Officially DNF'd 2 motos. Nothing against Trey, I love me some Trey, just a making the point 800 should not have lost points. If Trey didn't gain a spot he should not be penalized. 800 gained nothing and was penalized for 2 motos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dantheman 7/29/2013 6:00am
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Crash82 wrote:
If Mike Alessi did what Trey did it would be more than 800 did the weekend he got Officially DNF'd 2 motos. Nothing against Trey, I...
If Mike Alessi did what Trey did it would be more than 800 did the weekend he got Officially DNF'd 2 motos. Nothing against Trey, I love me some Trey, just a making the point 800 should not have lost points. If Trey didn't gain a spot he should not be penalized. 800 gained nothing and was penalized for 2 motos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trey's was a racing incident in a heated freakin' battle with James for what Trey thought was for the race OVERALL!

And thus, has not a damn thing to do with Mike Alessi.. get over it.
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Wolfman 7/29/2013 6:06am
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Crash82 wrote:
If Mike Alessi did what Trey did it would be more than 800 did the weekend he got Officially DNF'd 2 motos. Nothing against Trey, I...
If Mike Alessi did what Trey did it would be more than 800 did the weekend he got Officially DNF'd 2 motos. Nothing against Trey, I love me some Trey, just a making the point 800 should not have lost points. If Trey didn't gain a spot he should not be penalized. 800 gained nothing and was penalized for 2 motos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dantheman wrote:
Trey's was a racing incident in a heated freakin' battle with James for what Trey [i]thought[/i] was for the race OVERALL! And thus, has not a...
Trey's was a racing incident in a heated freakin' battle with James for what Trey thought was for the race OVERALL!

And thus, has not a damn thing to do with Mike Alessi.. get over it.
Yup.
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OKVet 7/29/2013 6:34am
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mx836 wrote:
If it was scored by moto finishes and not points, the winner (2-2) of the first race of a season would be second in the championship...
If it was scored by moto finishes and not points, the winner (2-2) of the first race of a season would be second in the championship to the rider who finished second (1-3 or 3-1). This is the only reason why I think it should be left the same. The rider who gets the most points on the day shouldn't be second.
LOL 3-1 has ALWAYS beaten 2-2 in whatever system you're using...just sayin
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Flip109 7/29/2013 6:37am
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People just like to have something to bitch about

I did think it was funny trey was fist pumping like he won. Poor dude haha
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Hut 7/29/2013 6:41am
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Crash82 wrote:
If Mike Alessi did what Trey did it would be more than 800 did the weekend he got Officially DNF'd 2 motos. Nothing against Trey, I...
If Mike Alessi did what Trey did it would be more than 800 did the weekend he got Officially DNF'd 2 motos. Nothing against Trey, I love me some Trey, just a making the point 800 should not have lost points. If Trey didn't gain a spot he should not be penalized. 800 gained nothing and was penalized for 2 motos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Trey's Mom were to ever lose her mind and go full retard and start shining a laser in the competitions eyes while the 30 second board is up then start poking fingers at the media and making threats while wearing team uniform and creds, I bet they dock him a few points.... I doubt she would ever do that because she has a fully functioning brain. Laughing
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uamoto211 7/29/2013 7:04am
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mxracer816 wrote:
Two of the best personalities in our sport give us the best race of the year, and people still have found something to whine and bitch...
Two of the best personalities in our sport give us the best race of the year, and people still have found something to whine and bitch about. Stewie was obviously not upset about it so why even ask this question?
Some people just love drama.....
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we aren't looking to cut off any heads or rail on one of the nicest guys on the pro circuit...

Here's the point we are wanting to get across- when a rider makes a mistake and goes off the track, they should not gain an advantage by doing so... that point has been beat in our brains since day one of racing, but it doesn't seem to apply in pro moto anymore.... Trey was side-by-side with JS7 before he went off, when he came back on he was 10 bike lengths ahead...

it now seems acceptable to ride WFO if you run off the track and skip an entire section without "real" penalty... RV2 made it "popular", so no doubt the rest of the pro cast was going to follow his example...

there are two big downsides to this- a flagger/photog/fan is eventually gonna get plowed.... and 2, this will trickle down to local racing, where it is even more likely someone will get run over... RV and Trey are Gods to all the 12 year olds at your local tracks, if they (RV2 and Trey) keep it WFO and skip entire sections when off the track the local kids will start doing the exact same thing....
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mmcmx 7/29/2013 8:18am
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I think Trey should be fined severely for ruining that last lap for us spectators. We are talking about a TV show afterall.

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