The Truth - Last Southwick National

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6/30/2013 12:39pm
mag23 wrote:
Looks like Law actually "instigated" some pretty good info out of some of you... I know my first reaction to the news Southwick was done, was...
Looks like Law actually "instigated" some pretty good info out of some of you... I know my first reaction to the news Southwick was done, was WTF DC?!!! There's always more to a story... glad it came out.
Exactly, law doesn't owe anyone any apologies! His post did its job! His post opened up dialogue and everyone got their questions answered! Geezus, some of you guys need to put your big girl panties on!Kissing
It's amazing to me how scared everyone is of rubbing people the wrong way!
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6/30/2013 1:09pm
GrapeApe wrote:
I agree. Southwick is a beautiful and legendary track with unique challenges that will be missed by everyone nationwide. GH is a dump that is missed...
I agree. Southwick is a beautiful and legendary track with unique challenges that will be missed by everyone nationwide. GH is a dump that is missed by socal bro's.
COAL-TRAIN wrote:
Spot on man...spot on...nothing legendary or challenging about GH, and definatly only missed by us 909 guys lol
BAMX wrote:
True....cue up another parking lot.
Harbor City and Temecula.
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6/30/2013 1:33pm
Is MX338 worth it to MX Sports? I was told at the race on Saturday that another "promoter" was interested in taking over but MX Sports didn't want to deal with anyone but Ralph and Dianne. If it's all about business then why not deal with someone else to keep the race where it is?

Like DC said improvements need to be done and they couldn't get them done. Why not give someone else a chance?
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6/30/2013 1:36pm
DonM wrote:
I'm pretty sure that no one but them can really tell you what the expenses but what I do know from working with various business's that...
I'm pretty sure that no one but them can really tell you what the expenses but what I do know from working with various business's that a net operating income of 10-15% is very good and in a business like race promotion where at a minimum 30-50% of what you made last year has to be reinvested into the next year because a majority of the expenses come before the income.
A rent increase that great (% increase) is more than any business can handle. I do see what the LL is trying to do but there are better ways to do that, maybe a percentage rent that increases annually for inflation, maybe a combination of a low base rent and a percentage or maybe no rent and become a partner in the national.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not dead yet they are just at an impasse in negotiations....its happened before when two parties walk away then come back to the table to start anew...time will tell.
"what I do know from working with various business's that a net operating income of 10-15% is very good"
Sorry, but 10-15% is far from very good. I'm sure anybody running their own business for a profit of 10-15% would find another business.
This conversation is going nowhere, so I will bow out now.

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6/30/2013 2:01pm
DonM wrote:
I'm pretty sure that no one but them can really tell you what the expenses but what I do know from working with various business's that...
I'm pretty sure that no one but them can really tell you what the expenses but what I do know from working with various business's that a net operating income of 10-15% is very good and in a business like race promotion where at a minimum 30-50% of what you made last year has to be reinvested into the next year because a majority of the expenses come before the income.
A rent increase that great (% increase) is more than any business can handle. I do see what the LL is trying to do but there are better ways to do that, maybe a percentage rent that increases annually for inflation, maybe a combination of a low base rent and a percentage or maybe no rent and become a partner in the national.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not dead yet they are just at an impasse in negotiations....its happened before when two parties walk away then come back to the table to start anew...time will tell.
"what I do know from working with various business's that a net operating income of 10-15% is very good" Sorry, but 10-15% is far from very...
"what I do know from working with various business's that a net operating income of 10-15% is very good"
Sorry, but 10-15% is far from very good. I'm sure anybody running their own business for a profit of 10-15% would find another business.
This conversation is going nowhere, so I will bow out now.
I am no business tycoon but i wish i could get an explanation on just how the money is divided up at a pro national. I paid $40 for a ticket at high point. $10 to park. I think they were charging something like $70 to camp. Something like $25 for a pro pit pass. So just a rough estimate of 25 to 30 thousand people your looking at somewhere around 1.5 or 2 million dollars income. Now i realize it cant be cheap to put on a pro national. But with that type of cash flow coming in the guys that are finishing towards the back of the pack are lucky to break even. How much of this money goes to the promoter. How much to mx sports? Maybe its none of my business but i wish someone that knew to clarify a few of these things.
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6/30/2013 2:09pm Edited Date/Time 6/30/2013 2:25pm
Crossup wrote:
DC, much appreciated on the sink holes and bleacher issues. Just an observation as a fan bringing friends and family to Southwick for 20 years. It...
DC, much appreciated on the sink holes and bleacher issues. Just an observation as a fan bringing friends and family to Southwick for 20 years. It seems like hundreds of feet of prime viewing fence-line has been cut off over the last few years by these corporate party tents, trailers, and semi trucks. This year, Parts Unltd had about 200 feet of fence blocked to themselves with about 30 people on the fence watching the last 2 motos. There was another fenced in area on the hill. That's such bullshit. Fans are stand 5 and 10 deep to get a view. I know that Southwick is done, maybe for good, but if fans can't get a reasonable view at venues, you will only continue to attract hardcore fans and never build from the base.
Southwick is by far the worst viewing track for spectators and you're spot on with that one, CrossUp. That whole top section where Stewart crashed was impossible to see anything. As a matter of fact, I barely saw any of the racing and did at least 5 complete laps around the track. The banner above the holeshot completely ruins any sort of viewing from that spot and I've never been so disappointed at a race in my life. I seriously wanted to leave after the first motos and I'm a die-hard moto guy. Sitting on any bleachers was impossible to find a spot, as well as getting a spot along the fence where you could see a small part of the track.

I brought a girl with me this year that had never been to a pro race before. She had a terrible time and was begging to leave after the first motos and she loves the sport! The viewing and track were such a disappointment that I just can't even believe it.

I just watched the race online (cause I didn't see any of it at the race) and can't believe how smooth the track was compared to back in the day or a local race. The direction the track goes makes the bumps develop differently, in a tame way. (plus they doze it after every moto!) If anyone thinks that was rough they have no idea at all and it's normally rougher after practice at a local race! It's sad that we are losing a historical track, but that was the last time for me no matter what.
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2 of the best tracks on the circuit are gone-Glen Helen and now Southwick. Sad. I don't know all the details but things should of been done to save it. Maybe it had something to do with the owners themselves and not AMA/Mx Sports. Just sucks though.
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6/30/2013 5:54pm
mag23 wrote:
Looks like Law actually "instigated" some pretty good info out of some of you... I know my first reaction to the news Southwick was done, was...
Looks like Law actually "instigated" some pretty good info out of some of you... I know my first reaction to the news Southwick was done, was WTF DC?!!! There's always more to a story... glad it came out.
rcm406 wrote:
Exactly, law doesn't owe anyone any apologies! His post did its job! His post opened up dialogue and everyone got their questions answered! Geezus, some of...
Exactly, law doesn't owe anyone any apologies! His post did its job! His post opened up dialogue and everyone got their questions answered! Geezus, some of you guys need to put your big girl panties on!Kissing
It's amazing to me how scared everyone is of rubbing people the wrong way!
Huh? Usually when someone strings together a series of so called facts and arrives at a wrong conclusion, after learning the true facts and the correct conclusion, the ethical thing to do is apologize. Simply because he promoted discussion doesn't change the fact that the initial conclusions were way out of line. The only place I see your approach to things practiced regularly is in Washington, D.C. (no reference to mxsports or Mr. Davey Coombs, just coincidental initials) and look where that is getting us.
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I've been to southwick two times and even though on tv it looks cool, it a very small place to hold a national event. I'm not a big fan of sand tracks in general, but if it important to the powers to be to keep a bruiser like that in schedule than there are really just two words that can step in......BAJA ACRES!!

Best sand track in the country and is a national facility right now!! Just got back from another great regional there, that place is freakin' DEEP and ROUGH!!

Put the Brawl on your bucket list.....and BA on the schedule for 2014!!
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Keep the fans happy and your a good promoter/businessman
Put Baja on the schedule and i'll travel the 1400 miles to go there every year.

It's an easy fit to the schedule you have now with Red-bud the next week makes the vaca that much more enjoyable.

Carry on ass-holes!
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Its ok for business to make money but not them greedy war veterans that own the place, is that what I am seeing here? Huh
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The Nationals are a changin', no doubt about it!

I can't quite figure out why attendace numbers are never released. I would think if your a reporter covering the event, one of the facts you would write about is how many showed up? Happens in every other sport doesn't it? I can read the local minor league baseball teams website and, BAM, right there after every game the attendace is there in the story.

Everytime I see a blurb about attendance, it's always the numbers are "up", whatever that means.

Obviously MX Sports care more about the big sponsors than the fans at this point, that's what they feel they need to do to make money, more power to em, it's their show. There are not goingto change their business plan for the sake of a few fans, nor should they.

Just look at this board, the hardcore fan is turning on the direction the sport is taking. Spin it how ya want, fact is your core audience is not liking the direction.

As far as numbers go, each side will have a way of seeing it. All any of us can do is guess and take a stab in the dark at what the numbers are.

Personally, I'm losing more and more interest in this sport every year. Spending more time playing ball, golf, and riding these days than chasing channels to see when mx is on. I used to blow off Saturdays to watch the races, that hasn't happend in a while..
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6/30/2013 10:27pm
HotRod wrote:
The Nationals are a changin', no doubt about it! I can't quite figure out why attendace numbers are never released. I would think if your a...
The Nationals are a changin', no doubt about it!

I can't quite figure out why attendace numbers are never released. I would think if your a reporter covering the event, one of the facts you would write about is how many showed up? Happens in every other sport doesn't it? I can read the local minor league baseball teams website and, BAM, right there after every game the attendace is there in the story.

Everytime I see a blurb about attendance, it's always the numbers are "up", whatever that means.

Obviously MX Sports care more about the big sponsors than the fans at this point, that's what they feel they need to do to make money, more power to em, it's their show. There are not goingto change their business plan for the sake of a few fans, nor should they.

Just look at this board, the hardcore fan is turning on the direction the sport is taking. Spin it how ya want, fact is your core audience is not liking the direction.

As far as numbers go, each side will have a way of seeing it. All any of us can do is guess and take a stab in the dark at what the numbers are.

Personally, I'm losing more and more interest in this sport every year. Spending more time playing ball, golf, and riding these days than chasing channels to see when mx is on. I used to blow off Saturdays to watch the races, that hasn't happend in a while..
Never?

Hangtown: 24,700
Lakewood: 22,650
Muddy Creek: 24,300
High Point: 20,700
Budds Creek: 21,600
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6/30/2013 10:31pm
HotRod wrote:
The Nationals are a changin', no doubt about it! I can't quite figure out why attendace numbers are never released. I would think if your a...
The Nationals are a changin', no doubt about it!

I can't quite figure out why attendace numbers are never released. I would think if your a reporter covering the event, one of the facts you would write about is how many showed up? Happens in every other sport doesn't it? I can read the local minor league baseball teams website and, BAM, right there after every game the attendace is there in the story.

Everytime I see a blurb about attendance, it's always the numbers are "up", whatever that means.

Obviously MX Sports care more about the big sponsors than the fans at this point, that's what they feel they need to do to make money, more power to em, it's their show. There are not goingto change their business plan for the sake of a few fans, nor should they.

Just look at this board, the hardcore fan is turning on the direction the sport is taking. Spin it how ya want, fact is your core audience is not liking the direction.

As far as numbers go, each side will have a way of seeing it. All any of us can do is guess and take a stab in the dark at what the numbers are.

Personally, I'm losing more and more interest in this sport every year. Spending more time playing ball, golf, and riding these days than chasing channels to see when mx is on. I used to blow off Saturdays to watch the races, that hasn't happend in a while..
GuyB wrote:
Never?

Hangtown: 24,700
Lakewood: 22,650
Muddy Creek: 24,300
High Point: 20,700
Budds Creek: 21,600
Sure.

I guess we're just suppose to trust your numbers!?
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6/30/2013 10:34pm
Here are some more stats:

Attendance at last week’s Budd’s Creek pro national was 21,600. There were 60,698 live stream stats. The first motos aired live on Fuel TV with viewership of 29,000, the second 450 moto was live on NBC with 432,000 watching.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Sure.

I guess we're just suppose to trust your numbers!?
What numbers would you like? Blink
7/1/2013 4:50am
MotoTones wrote:
Southwick is by far the worst viewing track for spectators and you're spot on with that one, CrossUp. That whole top section where Stewart crashed was...
Southwick is by far the worst viewing track for spectators and you're spot on with that one, CrossUp. That whole top section where Stewart crashed was impossible to see anything. As a matter of fact, I barely saw any of the racing and did at least 5 complete laps around the track. The banner above the holeshot completely ruins any sort of viewing from that spot and I've never been so disappointed at a race in my life. I seriously wanted to leave after the first motos and I'm a die-hard moto guy. Sitting on any bleachers was impossible to find a spot, as well as getting a spot along the fence where you could see a small part of the track.

I brought a girl with me this year that had never been to a pro race before. She had a terrible time and was begging to leave after the first motos and she loves the sport! The viewing and track were such a disappointment that I just can't even believe it.

I just watched the race online (cause I didn't see any of it at the race) and can't believe how smooth the track was compared to back in the day or a local race. The direction the track goes makes the bumps develop differently, in a tame way. (plus they doze it after every moto!) If anyone thinks that was rough they have no idea at all and it's normally rougher after practice at a local race! It's sad that we are losing a historical track, but that was the last time for me no matter what.
Southwick is difficult to view but I still hate to see it lose its National race. There isn't much I complain about but the overuse of track banners and providing exclusive viewing areas to corporate sponsors took some of the enjoyment out of Southwick. I know it's all about corporate dollars. Still, there was a double layer of track banners at the first turn and you had to look thru chain link fencing to get that view. There has to be some sort of consideration for the spectators who do show up at the tracks when deciding the placement of track banners. Southwick is known for its sandy sweeping turns. It's not good when all you see is half a racer disappear beneath a blanket of track banners.
7/1/2013 6:18am
I'd just like to say that, what does it matter what the real issues are or were,time to move forward and stop complaining about the loss of Southwick.It will be replaced with another venue racing will go on.Ya I get that there is alot of history with that track and to some it defines americian moto but as a diehard fans of the sport my wife and I both felt that this was the worst track that we hadbeen to ,sorry to anyone who gets upset on that remark.The viewing sucked,venders and pit area cramed into a small area but yet so far apart etc.Where ever they decide future races we will be there because we love the sport.And being from Canada we travel long distances to watch the best racing in the world ,so when you get to a track you expect a great spectator experince.Oh and by the way dont try and tell me that were not diehard fans and dont love motocross.....a few months back we drove 25 hours one way just to be at Hangtown for the opener.
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Spectating is difficult there, the size of the property is relatively small and it lacks a lot of the amenities of a new facility. It reminds me of Fenway Park. I'm sure there are people who would love to see a new, bigger and better version of the ballpark built but the average fan loves it because it has character, history and is unique.

That being said, I think some new bleachers and other spectating options at southwick would really help out. Hopefully somebody can step in and straighten this all out. I think Southwick going away would be a major loss for the series.
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7/1/2013 6:55am
ocscottie wrote:
Here are some more stats: Attendance at last week’s Budd’s Creek pro national was 21,600. There were 60,698 live stream stats. The first motos aired live...
Here are some more stats:

Attendance at last week’s Budd’s Creek pro national was 21,600. There were 60,698 live stream stats. The first motos aired live on Fuel TV with viewership of 29,000, the second 450 moto was live on NBC with 432,000 watching.
Holy crap!

The NBC broadcast had 14.89 X the amount of viewership than the Fuel broadcast? That is incredible to say the least. I knew it would be more....but almost 15 X more? Almost a 1/2 a million people tuned in to watch those moto's.....which is pretty awesome I think. I myself enjoy the fuel broadcast a lot more , but I wonder if the viewing is a lot lower just because some people don't pay as much attention to that channel or they simply just don't get it?
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7/1/2013 7:01am Edited Date/Time 7/1/2013 7:01am
ocscottie wrote:
Here are some more stats: Attendance at last week’s Budd’s Creek pro national was 21,600. There were 60,698 live stream stats. The first motos aired live...
Here are some more stats:

Attendance at last week’s Budd’s Creek pro national was 21,600. There were 60,698 live stream stats. The first motos aired live on Fuel TV with viewership of 29,000, the second 450 moto was live on NBC with 432,000 watching.
jeffro503 wrote:
Holy crap! The NBC broadcast had 14.89 X the amount of viewership than the Fuel broadcast? That is incredible to say the least. I knew it...
Holy crap!

The NBC broadcast had 14.89 X the amount of viewership than the Fuel broadcast? That is incredible to say the least. I knew it would be more....but almost 15 X more? Almost a 1/2 a million people tuned in to watch those moto's.....which is pretty awesome I think. I myself enjoy the fuel broadcast a lot more , but I wonder if the viewing is a lot lower just because some people don't pay as much attention to that channel or they simply just don't get it?
You'll be happy to know that live Nascar rain-out coverage that's nothing but 4 dudes running their mouth's while the camera captures rubber ducks floating in puddles beats out all those numbers put together. And people bitch about having to switch channels to watch live motos.
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7/1/2013 7:42am
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Law, I wanted the sinkholes on the infield filled in a s me some bleacher repairs done, but did not push it when it was clear...
Law, I wanted the sinkholes on the infield filled in a s me some bleacher repairs done, but did not push it when it was clear that their time was better spent trying to make a deal to extend the contract, but that was in vain.

I know you're too stubborn to apologize and everyone has a right to be angry and upset the race is gone, but just like Glen Helen canceling their race, I am getting blamed for someone else's business decisions. It's frustrating, but it's also part of the responsibilities I accepted when I took up this challenge five years ago.

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I may not be a typical modern MX guy. im 50+ still race and ride regularly. I have a 4 stroke and a 2 stroke in the garage. I attended my first motocross race at saddleback 68 or 69 and watched Beng Aberg beat everyone.

I Iive in so cal and ride/race at all the local tracks including Elsinore.

Now that GH is not on the national schedule and Elsinore is I have ZERO interest in attending. Add the fact it has facilty perimeter fencing not tract fencing and grand stand seating. That maybe good for some but not me. Maybe im spoiled by memories of standing next to the fence 5 feet from the action and screaming at Roger D at the 74 US GP or standing next to the uphill jump at saddleback watching only a few guys making it and the rest eating $hit or just rolling it. Yes i was a regular at GH but not anymore.

For me Mr coombs its a business decision if I want supercross I go to supercoss and I do it every year. Now that the outdoor trend is giant supercross events no thanks maybe ill catch it on TV if im not cutting the grass or actually riding or racing.
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Hi everyone just been reading these post and there are a few errors. Mr. Romero your numbers are incorrect in all area's but thats ok you did give out a lot of where money is coming in from but not where most of it really goes. Guy your numbers on attendence are also incorrect for the nationals but thats ok because Youth Stream does the same thing. They also count the birds flying over. Some are over and some under. And that is from 2 of them from people who worked them. And yes a contract is a business deal and if someone does not like what the contract says they don't have to sign it if they feel they will take a loss. There are 2 side to every story but end the end DC is always right. Right? People are starting to see thru the cracks and the walls are getting weaker. Glen Helen does not need a national we have races every weekend thru the whole year. We also are located in the desert at the base of the mountains in a pass made thru earthquakes and have some of the most harsh weather of all the tracks in the US. We have snow, rain, wind and like yesterday 108 degrees and still ran races. From MX, to Endurance races to Amatuer SX races to Lucas Offroad races and Baja type races and Mud runs and this year a Mountain Bike race. They all pay the bills and keep it running. It is far from the prettiest race track but Bud knows what he's doing when it come to business, So does DC but maybe I see it thru the eyes of someone who enjoys the sports history and fine make some cosmetic changes to make it look nicer but leave it as what it was. Outdoor natural terrian rougher thru the day motocross. Super Cross is man made jumps and thats fine but leave it indoors and leave outdoors to what they were. Go back to 45 minute moto's and see who works the hardest. Make men out of these guys racing again. This is not Toddlers and Tiaras. All of this is just my opinion. Yeah I know I don't know shit and I am a liar. But in the end I just want to ride may bike and enjoy my racing. This year we lose Southwick and one or 2 more. Contract time is coming for several tracks and the big question is AMA coming back? We just have to wait and see won't we. Enjoy the next round of the Outdoor National MX Championships it could be the last one there. LOl
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7/1/2013 8:12am Edited Date/Time 7/1/2013 8:13am
Mr. Info, once again, your stupidity comes through loud and clear. I am not always right, but you're consistently wrong (and I didn't realize you are a fan of kid's shows). Those cracks in the walls getting weaker come from smiling, because this actually a lot of fun, and the motocross series is going pretty darn well right now.

Southwick is the only track not returning to next year's schedule, as a result of the fact that the American Legion did not renew the contract of motocross promoters Ralph and Diane. They did all of the work and made all of the investment over the years, so to see them get the price jacked up so high they can't return is unfortunate

We are not going to more speedways and infields -- Utah was the exception and I think it will bring some great diversity to the schedule. The next new national will either be a new natural terrain motocross track or an old one returning to the schedule.

And we ended up in Lake Elsinore because Glen Helen canceled their national, and they remain the only one to have done so. I am glad they continue to hold big races there. But I keep getting the blame four years later for Bud's decision, and I have come to expect that from Mr. Info.

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7/1/2013 8:13am
HotRod wrote:
The Nationals are a changin', no doubt about it! I can't quite figure out why attendace numbers are never released. I would think if your a...
The Nationals are a changin', no doubt about it!

I can't quite figure out why attendace numbers are never released. I would think if your a reporter covering the event, one of the facts you would write about is how many showed up? Happens in every other sport doesn't it? I can read the local minor league baseball teams website and, BAM, right there after every game the attendace is there in the story.

Everytime I see a blurb about attendance, it's always the numbers are "up", whatever that means.

Obviously MX Sports care more about the big sponsors than the fans at this point, that's what they feel they need to do to make money, more power to em, it's their show. There are not goingto change their business plan for the sake of a few fans, nor should they.

Just look at this board, the hardcore fan is turning on the direction the sport is taking. Spin it how ya want, fact is your core audience is not liking the direction.

As far as numbers go, each side will have a way of seeing it. All any of us can do is guess and take a stab in the dark at what the numbers are.

Personally, I'm losing more and more interest in this sport every year. Spending more time playing ball, golf, and riding these days than chasing channels to see when mx is on. I used to blow off Saturdays to watch the races, that hasn't happend in a while..
GuyB wrote:
Never?

Hangtown: 24,700
Lakewood: 22,650
Muddy Creek: 24,300
High Point: 20,700
Budds Creek: 21,600
Thanks for that, let my research begin. I will get back to you, when I can find numbers for three to five years ago.

As far as TV numbers go, half a mil sound good I guess, I just need a lil more info on what other things do at that time slot. Anyone know what an infomercial gets on a network?
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I know what I'm going to do!
I'm going to go race this great track at least one more time this year, shake Ralphs hand, give Diane a big hug and thank them both for all they have done! Cause after this year who knows.
The Pitello's and any fan of true Motocross is getting the short end of the stick here.
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7/1/2013 8:28am
Mr. Info wrote:
Hi everyone just been reading these post and there are a few errors. Mr. Romero your numbers are incorrect in all area's but thats ok you...
Hi everyone just been reading these post and there are a few errors. Mr. Romero your numbers are incorrect in all area's but thats ok you did give out a lot of where money is coming in from but not where most of it really goes. Guy your numbers on attendence are also incorrect for the nationals but thats ok because Youth Stream does the same thing. They also count the birds flying over. Some are over and some under. And that is from 2 of them from people who worked them. And yes a contract is a business deal and if someone does not like what the contract says they don't have to sign it if they feel they will take a loss. There are 2 side to every story but end the end DC is always right. Right? People are starting to see thru the cracks and the walls are getting weaker. Glen Helen does not need a national we have races every weekend thru the whole year. We also are located in the desert at the base of the mountains in a pass made thru earthquakes and have some of the most harsh weather of all the tracks in the US. We have snow, rain, wind and like yesterday 108 degrees and still ran races. From MX, to Endurance races to Amatuer SX races to Lucas Offroad races and Baja type races and Mud runs and this year a Mountain Bike race. They all pay the bills and keep it running. It is far from the prettiest race track but Bud knows what he's doing when it come to business, So does DC but maybe I see it thru the eyes of someone who enjoys the sports history and fine make some cosmetic changes to make it look nicer but leave it as what it was. Outdoor natural terrian rougher thru the day motocross. Super Cross is man made jumps and thats fine but leave it indoors and leave outdoors to what they were. Go back to 45 minute moto's and see who works the hardest. Make men out of these guys racing again. This is not Toddlers and Tiaras. All of this is just my opinion. Yeah I know I don't know shit and I am a liar. But in the end I just want to ride may bike and enjoy my racing. This year we lose Southwick and one or 2 more. Contract time is coming for several tracks and the big question is AMA coming back? We just have to wait and see won't we. Enjoy the next round of the Outdoor National MX Championships it could be the last one there. LOl
Mr. Info, if I remember correctly, Bud told me to my face at the first of the most recent USGPs that they had 15,000 spectators. Talk about counting birds flying over...and lizards, and ants, and the entire population of Muscoy...

Also, speaking of errors, could you please try some paragraphs and punctuation? That's relatively painful to read.
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7/1/2013 8:56am
Headshake wrote:
Spectating is difficult there, the size of the property is relatively small and it lacks a lot of the amenities of a new facility. It reminds...
Spectating is difficult there, the size of the property is relatively small and it lacks a lot of the amenities of a new facility. It reminds me of Fenway Park. I'm sure there are people who would love to see a new, bigger and better version of the ballpark built but the average fan loves it because it has character, history and is unique.

That being said, I think some new bleachers and other spectating options at southwick would really help out. Hopefully somebody can step in and straighten this all out. I think Southwick going away would be a major loss for the series.
I could deal with the difficulty spectating, but did they have to make it so much worse with all the track banners. It was like peaking over the fence, then only seeing the tops of the bikes for a second. It was hard to watch.
7/1/2013 8:56am
Not hating on southwick, i was there saturday and it has to be the worst spectating track and WTF happen to the sand? The sand was what it made a unique national.
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7/1/2013 9:04am
DC wrote:
Mr. Info, once again, your stupidity comes through loud and clear. I am not always right, but you're consistently wrong (and I didn't realize you are...
Mr. Info, once again, your stupidity comes through loud and clear. I am not always right, but you're consistently wrong (and I didn't realize you are a fan of kid's shows). Those cracks in the walls getting weaker come from smiling, because this actually a lot of fun, and the motocross series is going pretty darn well right now.

Southwick is the only track not returning to next year's schedule, as a result of the fact that the American Legion did not renew the contract of motocross promoters Ralph and Diane. They did all of the work and made all of the investment over the years, so to see them get the price jacked up so high they can't return is unfortunate

We are not going to more speedways and infields -- Utah was the exception and I think it will bring some great diversity to the schedule. The next new national will either be a new natural terrain motocross track or an old one returning to the schedule.

And we ended up in Lake Elsinore because Glen Helen canceled their national, and they remain the only one to have done so. I am glad they continue to hold big races there. But I keep getting the blame four years later for Bud's decision, and I have come to expect that from Mr. Info.

DC
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Thanks DC for continuing to respond to a lot of this garbage, for me it is appreciated.

I can't think of too many other sports where the "commisioner", "president", or whatever you want to call him is willing to wade into the deep end on a web forum to comment on the crap people are flinging.

I think most of us can agree that the loss of Southwick is a huge disappointment. I am a huge fan of the natural terrain tracks and It's good to hear that another one will be replacing Southwick. Also, I'm excited to see what the Utah National will bring and I'm willing to give it a chance before I start the hellfire and brimstone.

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