ATV's at Steel City MX National

FHKRacingZ
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Edited Date/Time 1/22/2012 2:47pm
who else thinks this is a cool idea? Most of the dirt bike guys are gonna be suprised when the quads are throwing down lap times faster than 75% of the pro bikes!
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FHKRacingZ wrote:
who else thinks this is a cool idea? Most of the dirt bike guys are gonna be suprised when the quads are throwing down lap times...
who else thinks this is a cool idea? Most of the dirt bike guys are gonna be suprised when the quads are throwing down lap times faster than 75% of the pro bikes!
STFU, get back on your Honda Foreman with your six pack rack and ride off into the sunset
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What's the big suprise? They had a pro quad moto at the Steel City national last year also.
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I race district 3.......We have 3 quad classes at every race on the same day as the bikes.
Nothing cool about it.....they blow all the dirt off the track and basically turn it into a TT track with jumps.
If I never saw a moto quad again it would be too soon.

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catatonic wrote:
I race district 3.......We have 3 quad classes at every race on the same day as the bikes. Nothing cool about it.....they blow all the dirt...
I race district 3.......We have 3 quad classes at every race on the same day as the bikes.
Nothing cool about it.....they blow all the dirt off the track and basically turn it into a TT track with jumps.
If I never saw a moto quad again it would be too soon.
D16 does the same. The track owners would not host quads if they didn't need the entries to break even..
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haha you guys are so funny...
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D17 has them also, only a few tracks are smart enough to not run them on the same days and only one track I can think of has no quads at all. They can really destroy a good track.
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motofab36 wrote:
D17 has them also, only a few tracks are smart enough to not run them on the same days and only one track I can think...
D17 has them also, only a few tracks are smart enough to not run them on the same days and only one track I can think of has no quads at all. They can really destroy a good track.
Yup!!!

I don't remember which race it was, but they ran the quad's BEFORE the bike's!! That's screwed up!!! Typically, they run the quad's after the bike's are done!!! In hare scrambles..
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Easy motofab, wouldnt want a fellow D17 rider on a quad to make ya look slow on your bike Wink
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they did it last year and made the track crap. i think they ran it before the last session of practices and even with the track regroomed it still sucked
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How would it still suck with the track regroomed? that makes no sense.
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FHKRacingZ wrote:
Easy motofab, wouldnt want a fellow D17 rider on a quad to make ya look slow on your bike Wink
You are a freaking moron... Couch racing is a joke. They ruin the track for moto guys and are boring as hell to watch. And yes, I have been to some ATV nationals so I have seen the pros. I have respect for the pros but for the amateurs out there, its a joke.

Why would they run quads and not the WMA races on the same day? The industry is 97% male, maybe by putting the women into the "big show" we could draw more into the industry.

Back in the day when I was a slow novice, I jumped on a buddy's quad at our local practice track. Within 5 laps, my times were faster than his and he was an A rider.
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That dosn't mean shit if your fastest than your buddy and hes an A rider.. I could sign up for 250A and Open A at a local race and another quad guy could beat me on a bike, it dosnt mean shit...

Comparing bikes to quads , theres only one guy that was pro at both, John Natalie. He straight up said in an interview its harder to ride quads and it beat you up more. He qualified for 3-4 Dirt bike nationals in the 250cc class in 2001.

now i know im on a bike forum and im not ripping on bikes at all, but give respect were respect is do...
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FHKRacingZ wrote:
That dosn't mean shit if your fastest than your buddy and hes an A rider.. I could sign up for 250A and Open A at a...
That dosn't mean shit if your fastest than your buddy and hes an A rider.. I could sign up for 250A and Open A at a local race and another quad guy could beat me on a bike, it dosnt mean shit...

Comparing bikes to quads , theres only one guy that was pro at both, John Natalie. He straight up said in an interview its harder to ride quads and it beat you up more. He qualified for 3-4 Dirt bike nationals in the 250cc class in 2001.

now i know im on a bike forum and im not ripping on bikes at all, but give respect were respect is do...
Umm...you're an idiot
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Ok, I've raced both 3-wheel, 4-wheel, mx bikes in all different disciplines. A buddy of mine is Joe Byrd's mechanic... say hi to Bill Mickey for me if you see him. (this is Kevin in Green Bay) nothing more fun that a LT500 at Sand Mountain, NV.

That being said..... the dynamics for the two machines are different enough that they should be run on seperate days. Or 4-wheelers at either end of the schedule. This is just an opinion.

You're going to get hammered on here though... I was trying to be constructive.
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FHKRacingZ wrote:
That dosn't mean shit if your fastest than your buddy and hes an A rider.. I could sign up for 250A and Open A at a...
That dosn't mean shit if your fastest than your buddy and hes an A rider.. I could sign up for 250A and Open A at a local race and another quad guy could beat me on a bike, it dosnt mean shit...

Comparing bikes to quads , theres only one guy that was pro at both, John Natalie. He straight up said in an interview its harder to ride quads and it beat you up more. He qualified for 3-4 Dirt bike nationals in the 250cc class in 2001.

now i know im on a bike forum and im not ripping on bikes at all, but give respect were respect is do...
I know a few guys in D18 who are pro mx and pro quad guys. They said at the quads are easier to be competitive on, because corner speed is more even among the riders, making it hard to be much faster than another guy. His name is David Frye.
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FHKRacingZ wrote:
That dosn't mean shit if your fastest than your buddy and hes an A rider.. I could sign up for 250A and Open A at a...
That dosn't mean shit if your fastest than your buddy and hes an A rider.. I could sign up for 250A and Open A at a local race and another quad guy could beat me on a bike, it dosnt mean shit...

Comparing bikes to quads , theres only one guy that was pro at both, John Natalie. He straight up said in an interview its harder to ride quads and it beat you up more. He qualified for 3-4 Dirt bike nationals in the 250cc class in 2001.

now i know im on a bike forum and im not ripping on bikes at all, but give respect were respect is do...
I think I might not have been clear, I was a novice motocross guy and he was an expert quad guy (one of the top guys at the time locally). I think it says a lot when a novice moto guy is as fast as a fast expert quad guy after only a few laps.

Now, could I go out and beat the best on quads? No way. Those guys are good and they deserve respect. They are maniacs the way they jump those things.

With that said, quads and bikes just don't mix. You need different track layouts to be fair to both.

John is a fast dude, but I wouldn't expect him to say quads weren't tougher. I mean, he IS a quad guy.
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Barry Hawk is sort of good of both.
7/10/2008 6:18pm
I rode quads for about 10 years, then switched back to bikes. The faster you're going, the bigger the advantage is to bikes, and when it gets really rough, the quads beat the snot out of you much more than a bike does.

One of the local tracks used to allow quads and bikes on at the same time. I would take most of the corners high so it didn't obliterate the ruts and knock off the surface dirt. Unfortunately, there are way too many guys on quads that are clueless, even after having things explained to them. Today, the track only has quads on there 1 day a week.

I did find that if the track had just been watered, the quad was quicker than most of the dirtbikes, large jumps and whoops excepting. Also, if the track is way too soft for dirtbikes, an hour of quads would firm the dirt up just right, making it easy to create excellent ruts for the bikes.
7/10/2008 6:22pm
todder wrote:
Barry Hawk is sort of good of both.
Yes he is
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JYZ566 wrote:
I know a few guys in D18 who are pro mx and pro quad guys. They said at the quads are easier to be competitive on...
I know a few guys in D18 who are pro mx and pro quad guys. They said at the quads are easier to be competitive on, because corner speed is more even among the riders, making it hard to be much faster than another guy. His name is David Frye.
Did this David Frye live in Northern California about 3 years ago ? I think I met him, pretty sure it's the same guy.

I heard he got hurt pretty bad a few months back. Hope he's doing ok.
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Jabjr222 wrote:
I think I might not have been clear, I was a novice motocross guy and he was an expert quad guy (one of the top guys...
I think I might not have been clear, I was a novice motocross guy and he was an expert quad guy (one of the top guys at the time locally). I think it says a lot when a novice moto guy is as fast as a fast expert quad guy after only a few laps.

Now, could I go out and beat the best on quads? No way. Those guys are good and they deserve respect. They are maniacs the way they jump those things.

With that said, quads and bikes just don't mix. You need different track layouts to be fair to both.

John is a fast dude, but I wouldn't expect him to say quads weren't tougher. I mean, he IS a quad guy.
And based on your first paragraph, I'm going to call you a liar.
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JYZ566 wrote:
I know a few guys in D18 who are pro mx and pro quad guys. They said at the quads are easier to be competitive on...
I know a few guys in D18 who are pro mx and pro quad guys. They said at the quads are easier to be competitive on, because corner speed is more even among the riders, making it hard to be much faster than another guy. His name is David Frye.
TG130 wrote:
Did this David Frye live in Northern California about 3 years ago ? I think I met him, pretty sure it's the same guy. I heard...
Did this David Frye live in Northern California about 3 years ago ? I think I met him, pretty sure it's the same guy.

I heard he got hurt pretty bad a few months back. Hope he's doing ok.
yes and yes. He's doing much better now though.
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To me its like this:

MX bike = stand up jet ski. It takes skill lots of practice, etc to go fast.

Quad = Sit down PWC, anyone can buy one and ride it fast in the first hour they own it.

I had a sit down PWC for a month before I sold it and bought another stand up.
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JYZ566 wrote:
I know a few guys in D18 who are pro mx and pro quad guys. They said at the quads are easier to be competitive on...
I know a few guys in D18 who are pro mx and pro quad guys. They said at the quads are easier to be competitive on, because corner speed is more even among the riders, making it hard to be much faster than another guy. His name is David Frye.
TG130 wrote:
Did this David Frye live in Northern California about 3 years ago ? I think I met him, pretty sure it's the same guy. I heard...
Did this David Frye live in Northern California about 3 years ago ? I think I met him, pretty sure it's the same guy.

I heard he got hurt pretty bad a few months back. Hope he's doing ok.
JYZ566 wrote:
yes and yes. He's doing much better now though.
I thought that was him. Nice kid. Had a few long conversations with him about MX. I'm glad to hear he's doing better and hope he makes a full recovery.
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It's partly a defensive move because MX Spurts is paranoid about another ATV racing promoter from Canada doing a better job and moving south (threat of a good example), and partly a blowjob for the OEMs that are losing interest in nats and wasting money.

If it works, who cares?

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I'll be long gone before that race starts.
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As long as its AFTER the National who cares.
They simply ruin a moto track. Blow the good dirt to the side and shine up the hardpack.

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