2014 YZF's!

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6/12/2013 10:58am
GuyB wrote:
Quick quiz...how many of you run the stock graphics for more than a minute? I look at stock graphics these days the same way as I...
Quick quiz...how many of you run the stock graphics for more than a minute?

I look at stock graphics these days the same way as I look at pedals on high end mountain and road bikes. They're there as a placeholder until you put on what you're going to use.
I run the stock graphics, but to be fair..OEM honda/suzuki graphics tend to look pretty damn good
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6/12/2013 11:35am
I'm a two stroke lover stuck in the past, but damn those bikes look trick. I can't believe it myself, but I'm intrigued with the 250f.
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6/12/2013 11:49am
Zaugg wrote:
I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly. If the bike came exactly the way you individually wanted them, there would be no after market and they'd...
I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly.

If the bike came exactly the way you individually wanted them, there would be no after market and they'd need to have more than 2 color options.

"Get your new YZ in desert camo, now with a baby seal pelt seat cover." SICK!!!!
"I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly"

I'll take a stab at that. The plastic on the bike looks completely disjointed and cobbled, like they had a different person design each of the parts not knowing what the others were doing. Sharp lines, round lines, blue, black, white, grey, no rules just design your piece and then we will assemble them into the final product. None of the lines or colors flow together or make sense to me. I actually like the modern euro-look on the KTM's, Husky's, etc., so that's not my hangup.
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6/12/2013 12:02pm
GrapeApe wrote:
"I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly" I'll take a stab at that. The plastic on the bike looks completely disjointed and cobbled, like they had...
"I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly"

I'll take a stab at that. The plastic on the bike looks completely disjointed and cobbled, like they had a different person design each of the parts not knowing what the others were doing. Sharp lines, round lines, blue, black, white, grey, no rules just design your piece and then we will assemble them into the final product. None of the lines or colors flow together or make sense to me. I actually like the modern euro-look on the KTM's, Husky's, etc., so that's not my hangup.
Yeah, it really does look thrown together, in my opinion. As a huge fan of Yamaha bikes, I'm pretty disappointed.

Also, I believe they are going to alienate a large portion of their offroad racing buyers since it's going to be virtually impossible for IMS or Clarke to make an oversized tank for these bikes.

Don't see how you'd use a quickfill / dry break system either.

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6/12/2013 12:05pm
Not a fan of the graphics,but they can be changed rather easily. When I am riding I can't see nor do I look at the graphics, so who really cares.
I am more curious about how it preforms.
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6/12/2013 12:13pm
I'm surprised they still don't have electric start. I figured Yamaha would be the first of the Japanese to go that route.

Other than that, I think they look cool.

It's a pity the 2-strokes haven't at least got the new swingarm and rear wheel after all this time.
6/12/2013 12:25pm
Those bikes look trick!
Function dictates form......the lack of plastic lets out all the heat vaby!
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6/12/2013 1:03pm
Zaugg wrote:
I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly. If the bike came exactly the way you individually wanted them, there would be no after market and they'd...
I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly.

If the bike came exactly the way you individually wanted them, there would be no after market and they'd need to have more than 2 color options.

"Get your new YZ in desert camo, now with a baby seal pelt seat cover." SICK!!!!
GrapeApe wrote:
"I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly" I'll take a stab at that. The plastic on the bike looks completely disjointed and cobbled, like they had...
"I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly"

I'll take a stab at that. The plastic on the bike looks completely disjointed and cobbled, like they had a different person design each of the parts not knowing what the others were doing. Sharp lines, round lines, blue, black, white, grey, no rules just design your piece and then we will assemble them into the final product. None of the lines or colors flow together or make sense to me. I actually like the modern euro-look on the KTM's, Husky's, etc., so that's not my hangup.
Yep, that's what I see. Only thing you left out was the pop rivets holding it all together up top...Smile

I like the appearance of the subframe attachment points but it looks like it would wad up or snap off easily in the event of a crash/cartwheel. Looks weak.
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6/12/2013 1:22pm
The more I look at it and the more I read about it, the more I like it. I would love to ride them, that's for sure.
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6/12/2013 1:26pm
GrapeApe wrote:
"I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly" I'll take a stab at that. The plastic on the bike looks completely disjointed and cobbled, like they had...
"I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly"

I'll take a stab at that. The plastic on the bike looks completely disjointed and cobbled, like they had a different person design each of the parts not knowing what the others were doing. Sharp lines, round lines, blue, black, white, grey, no rules just design your piece and then we will assemble them into the final product. None of the lines or colors flow together or make sense to me. I actually like the modern euro-look on the KTM's, Husky's, etc., so that's not my hangup.
Agree, it's just a mess for the eye, and dirtbikes don't ask for much to look good since there's not much to design anyway. Screw graphics, it's just a mess. The people on Polisport will charge 1k for a new aftermarket set-up, and will probably hire NASA people to figure it out.

One thing I really have issues with, is the hunch back, Quasimodo bump with the tank/airbox chunk that sits on the frame, makes the bike look so top heavy, out of balance something I think the CRFs kind of got as well, in contrast to KTM that just look fast on the stand.

Kind of confuse about the titled cylinder on the 250F as well, and why they kept it on the 450F. I just feel people newer accepted it, and the reason why people still think JS career went to shit kind of goes with that design and with reverse rotation? From experience, they know their shit, and maybe we all will dig it in a year, but seems the lightweight figures, and looks I suggest was what people were craving for was toasted for new inovations that market don't care about (sans EFI).

If I would get one for half the price of an KTM, I would consider it, because of greed. But those emotions that makes my want to spend anything on a new bike, is just absent.

Time will tell if some of us were wrong.
6/12/2013 1:31pm
DrSweden wrote:
Agree, it's just a mess for the eye, and dirtbikes don't ask for much to look good since there's not much to design anyway. Screw graphics...
Agree, it's just a mess for the eye, and dirtbikes don't ask for much to look good since there's not much to design anyway. Screw graphics, it's just a mess. The people on Polisport will charge 1k for a new aftermarket set-up, and will probably hire NASA people to figure it out.

One thing I really have issues with, is the hunch back, Quasimodo bump with the tank/airbox chunk that sits on the frame, makes the bike look so top heavy, out of balance something I think the CRFs kind of got as well, in contrast to KTM that just look fast on the stand.

Kind of confuse about the titled cylinder on the 250F as well, and why they kept it on the 450F. I just feel people newer accepted it, and the reason why people still think JS career went to shit kind of goes with that design and with reverse rotation? From experience, they know their shit, and maybe we all will dig it in a year, but seems the lightweight figures, and looks I suggest was what people were craving for was toasted for new inovations that market don't care about (sans EFI).

If I would get one for half the price of an KTM, I would consider it, because of greed. But those emotions that makes my want to spend anything on a new bike, is just absent.

Time will tell if some of us were wrong.
lol....the motor spins in reverse.....
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6/12/2013 1:32pm
shmoo wrote:
No way could anything go wrong here during a moto [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/06/11/24663/s1200_screen_capture_15.jpg[/img]
No way could anything go wrong here during a moto

Crush wrote:
haha... And Why go to all that trouble to hide the tank lid, and then have the hose come out there.... Some good ideas and no...
haha... And Why go to all that trouble to hide the tank lid, and then have the hose come out there....

Some good ideas and no one to wrap em around the knuckles and say, WTF! No!
It think the main reason they put the cap under the seat is because of the air filter. Last year the seat had to be removed and the gas tank flipped up to get to the air filter. with this design it looks like the the blue cover in front of the seat comes off.

But i agree they could have taken advantage of the extra space for the rider to move forward with out the vent tube. But i guess that will be a "factory trick part" that also can be done in the backyard haha.
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6/12/2013 1:58pm
I actually like the design of both bikes. I'd love to try riding either one and see how they handle. An issue I see though is over time how strong and durable will the front of the seat/gas cap hider be after numerous times of taking it on and off to fill up.
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6/12/2013 2:19pm
Zaugg wrote:
I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly. If the bike came exactly the way you individually wanted them, there would be no after market and they'd...
I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly.

If the bike came exactly the way you individually wanted them, there would be no after market and they'd need to have more than 2 color options.

"Get your new YZ in desert camo, now with a baby seal pelt seat cover." SICK!!!!
GrapeApe wrote:
"I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly" I'll take a stab at that. The plastic on the bike looks completely disjointed and cobbled, like they had...
"I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly"

I'll take a stab at that. The plastic on the bike looks completely disjointed and cobbled, like they had a different person design each of the parts not knowing what the others were doing. Sharp lines, round lines, blue, black, white, grey, no rules just design your piece and then we will assemble them into the final product. None of the lines or colors flow together or make sense to me. I actually like the modern euro-look on the KTM's, Husky's, etc., so that's not my hangup.
While I don't bleed blue and white...it's easy for someone to say a bike is ugly.

Now, explaining why they think a bike is ugly requires more thought.

At least a couple of people made the effort to qualify their statements, as GrapeApe did. Nice job.

Now for those of you who like it...maybe you could explain what you like about it the new Yamaha offerings.

My intension here is to get some qualified observations. Thanks.
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6/12/2013 2:20pm
Zaugg wrote:
I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly. If the bike came exactly the way you individually wanted them, there would be no after market and they'd...
I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly.

If the bike came exactly the way you individually wanted them, there would be no after market and they'd need to have more than 2 color options.

"Get your new YZ in desert camo, now with a baby seal pelt seat cover." SICK!!!!
GrapeApe wrote:
"I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly" I'll take a stab at that. The plastic on the bike looks completely disjointed and cobbled, like they had...
"I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly"

I'll take a stab at that. The plastic on the bike looks completely disjointed and cobbled, like they had a different person design each of the parts not knowing what the others were doing. Sharp lines, round lines, blue, black, white, grey, no rules just design your piece and then we will assemble them into the final product. None of the lines or colors flow together or make sense to me. I actually like the modern euro-look on the KTM's, Husky's, etc., so that's not my hangup.
newmann wrote:
Yep, that's what I see. Only thing you left out was the pop rivets holding it all together up top...:) I like the appearance of the...
Yep, that's what I see. Only thing you left out was the pop rivets holding it all together up top...Smile

I like the appearance of the subframe attachment points but it looks like it would wad up or snap off easily in the event of a crash/cartwheel. Looks weak.
Edit on the subframe quote: Left side looks a bit more normal. Maybe it all evens out???Smile
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6/12/2013 2:25pm
Why did they unveil them in someones living room?
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6/12/2013 3:18pm
Zaugg wrote:
I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly. If the bike came exactly the way you individually wanted them, there would be no after market and they'd...
I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly.

If the bike came exactly the way you individually wanted them, there would be no after market and they'd need to have more than 2 color options.

"Get your new YZ in desert camo, now with a baby seal pelt seat cover." SICK!!!!
GrapeApe wrote:
"I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly" I'll take a stab at that. The plastic on the bike looks completely disjointed and cobbled, like they had...
"I'm curious why everyone thinks they're ugly"

I'll take a stab at that. The plastic on the bike looks completely disjointed and cobbled, like they had a different person design each of the parts not knowing what the others were doing. Sharp lines, round lines, blue, black, white, grey, no rules just design your piece and then we will assemble them into the final product. None of the lines or colors flow together or make sense to me. I actually like the modern euro-look on the KTM's, Husky's, etc., so that's not my hangup.
THIS ....... NAILED IT GRAPEAPE!!!
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6/12/2013 3:26pm Edited Date/Time 6/12/2013 3:29pm
shmoo wrote:
No way could anything go wrong here during a moto [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/06/11/24663/s1200_screen_capture_15.jpg[/img]
No way could anything go wrong here during a moto

Crush wrote:
haha... And Why go to all that trouble to hide the tank lid, and then have the hose come out there.... Some good ideas and no...
haha... And Why go to all that trouble to hide the tank lid, and then have the hose come out there....

Some good ideas and no one to wrap em around the knuckles and say, WTF! No!
It think the main reason they put the cap under the seat is because of the air filter. Last year the seat had to be removed...
It think the main reason they put the cap under the seat is because of the air filter. Last year the seat had to be removed and the gas tank flipped up to get to the air filter. with this design it looks like the the blue cover in front of the seat comes off.

But i agree they could have taken advantage of the extra space for the rider to move forward with out the vent tube. But i guess that will be a "factory trick part" that also can be done in the backyard haha.
What the SHOULD HAVE DONE is make a more radical version of the 09-12 honda seat for the front and left the gas cap level or a little recessed.....in other words they couldve created a 1 piece seat that, in the front wraps around the gas cap in a U Shape......I see that secondary seat part becoming a big problem once it has some time on it like the grommits loosening, tearing or coming out of their holders. OR what about those lines holding it on? One or both of those break somehow on a ride and it just falls off.....I think I know what part to invent now hehe

One things for sure, long term use is not going to be friendly to that part.......

Also the header around the cylinder is baffling from a heat standpoint, thats the most vital part of the engine you DON'T want to get hot. As you can see airflow to the engine is heavily restricted even to the head pipe bec of how low the radiators are......anyone remember hearing the heat would NOT affect the shock on the previous model?....Well, it did.One can only guess after some mud buildup how well this engine can disperse heat
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6/12/2013 6:57pm
Fearo wrote:
Those are the two ugliest bikes I have ever seen in my entire life. [img]https://djkidrich.com/Vomit.gif[/img]
Those are the two ugliest bikes I have ever seen in my entire life.






ha ha brill ,i nearly did that when i saw the pictures , god they really are dog ugly , there soo ugly the cannondale looks better , and that s hard ,
6/12/2013 7:40pm
shmoo wrote:
No way could anything go wrong here during a moto [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/06/11/24663/s1200_screen_capture_15.jpg[/img]
No way could anything go wrong here during a moto

Wonder how much those covers are going to be to replace, and how long will they be on back order? Both of the new YZF's look...
Wonder how much those covers are going to be to replace, and how long will they be on back order?

Both of the new YZF's look like terribly pieced together ticking time bombs. Not to mention this might be the most expensive 250F in the class.
The most durable bikes built! Oh, did I mention a 30 day warranty?
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6/12/2013 8:12pm
Someone is already working on an aftermarket cover for that huge hole I'd bet.
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6/12/2013 8:22pm
Hmmm well i dont care about looks...I care about dealer support, reliability, how the bike feels in the air, turning, stability, etc ......but heck I have to say I hope they look better in the flesh!
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6/12/2013 9:14pm
Only thing that really looks weird to me is the covered gas cap. That whole area near the bars looks really awkward.
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6/12/2013 10:07pm
I'm not a fan of the blue one, but the white doesn't look much different than the current models which grew on me.
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6/13/2013 2:43am
It sure does look better than the previous versions. I mean, aesthetically i was in love with the 2006-2009 YZF's. The last 250s were ugly because the shape of the side plates, and the 2010 YZF was really ugly. Wide and looked much bigger than a normal bike.

With this new design, both bikes look much more smaller. I assume the way they share pretty much everything is due to the budget troubles Yamaha is having, but I'm really happy the finally turned backwards the 250 engine. The only little thing with this engine, is that the exhaust needs to be around the cylinder.

Futuristic bike for sure. But I'm still in love with the 2006-2013 YZ's :-)
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6/13/2013 2:52am
shmoo wrote:
No way could anything go wrong here during a moto [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/06/11/24663/s1200_screen_capture_15.jpg[/img]
No way could anything go wrong here during a moto

Crush wrote:
haha... And Why go to all that trouble to hide the tank lid, and then have the hose come out there.... Some good ideas and no...
haha... And Why go to all that trouble to hide the tank lid, and then have the hose come out there....

Some good ideas and no one to wrap em around the knuckles and say, WTF! No!
It think the main reason they put the cap under the seat is because of the air filter. Last year the seat had to be removed...
It think the main reason they put the cap under the seat is because of the air filter. Last year the seat had to be removed and the gas tank flipped up to get to the air filter. with this design it looks like the the blue cover in front of the seat comes off.

But i agree they could have taken advantage of the extra space for the rider to move forward with out the vent tube. But i guess that will be a "factory trick part" that also can be done in the backyard haha.
I Agree the Tube coming out in the middle of what would be a slick design also gets to me - What was the designer thinking - Nice clean lines - Lets spoil that and put a rubber tube coming out ! 90/100 for design not 100/100
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6/13/2013 3:03am Edited Date/Time 6/13/2013 3:03am
What they aren't saying , and what really matters is that they took what was the lightest, simplest , most durable
250 F and turned into another bloated complex and disposable pig.
No thanks I will keep my 2 stroke....
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6/13/2013 3:53am
Will be interesting to see how the market response, i figure if its really good that hasn't been the topic yet, design means less. I have gone from disliking bike design to like since me feeble brain needs time. Maybe this bike will be another on of those? Meanwhile there are bikes I dig, which would go for right now. But time will tell. I'm pretty glad at this point (still) that my yz125 looks pretty decent/basic in a humble way. Maybe I'm getting old... Sad
6/13/2013 6:43am
Right!! This things been bugging me since the first japan prototype pics were released, and when the proper photos came out the other day i started to hate it even more...just couldn't see how it could look good with such strange plastics...bulky and bits here and there with afterthoughts rivetted on is how it came across to me.

SO, i just gave it a photoshop up to see the potential of this thing, and i have to say its definitely better than how i first pictured. This is a 250 (ignore the white backgrounds, and just played around with a few bits...Wonder if it'll change peoples minds when the bikes start actually getting modified and ridden?

Anyway....

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6/13/2013 6:46am
Eh, give graphics companies some time. I thought the exact same thing about the Husky plastics but with the right look even they are appealing.

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