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You would know more than me, but what other professional motorsport doesn't pay points/money to the last place guy? Can you imagine if NASCAR only paid top 20? Track would empty and so would the stands.
I'm not looking for huge payday for the 40th place rider, but seriously, it is professional sports and the last place guy should be reconized with points and some money.
Biggest arguement for not doing this is there is no money. How can there be no money and points for a rider who qualifies? Your telling me the budget is so tight, that there isjust scraps for the 20-40 finishers? If that is really the case, then this sport is really F'ed.
Every year, hell every race we hear the numbers are up, more people are coming to the races, TV ratings are good, yet there is no more extra money? Where is it going?
Simple math here, just humor me ok...
20,000 paid spectators
so 20k x 40 bucks a ticket=800K
Your going to tell me with a straight face that with 800k you can't pay out more than 16 grand per moto?
About 64k goes out in purse money. 800k - 64=$736,000 Man, I'd love to see real numbers on where the money goes. By the sounds of it mx is just barley getting by on over 700K per weekend, and my estimates are on the low side.
Thats not counting the concessions, parking, merch, and so on.
I'm no accountant, but I'm guessing I could find some extra money to kick down for the 21-40 riders.
I'm not looking to argue or get into a pissing contest with anyone, but really how can you not pay the 30-40 finisher more than 250 bucks a moto?
Holigan, I respect your opinion, and not calling you out at all, you do have knowledge and I'm just running my theory up the flag pole and seeing where it goes..
Then add up fuel alone for trucks...
I know people think DC is making billions on the outdoors but he's not
The NBA makes 930 million dollars per year from ESPN and TNT
Last year, Fox, TBS and ESPN inked new, eight-year broadcasting deals that will bring MLB a total of $12.4 billion
I know some of you think that MX gets an equivalent deal, but they don't
MX and SX PAY to be on TV. They don't get any money for that, they actually lose a good chunk of change just for that. It's a paid commercial to get people to attend the races.
Now let's do insurance, DMG lease,hotel rooms, and that 800k starts dwindling fast.
Some of you need to join the real world.
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http://hoopspeak.com/2011/07/2016-how-much-tv-money-will-the-nba-be-mak…
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We keep hearing about how little the profit margin is in this sport, but what do we really know, nobody comes out with actual numbers. If they are on such a thin margin, maybe it's time to re-evaluate things and the direction of the sport? Maybe were not ready for same day coverage?
Again, I know there is insurance, advertising, employees, gas, equipment, security, but again, I have no real numbers to go off of. All I can go off of is ticket prices and attendance.
So Choppy, let me ask you this, how much money do you think the MX Nationals bring in a week? How much do you think it costs to run the series? Just your best guess will do..
Families spend small fortunes in the amateurs in all forms of motorsports to get their kid noticed and picked up by a good team that pays a salary when they turn pro. Those that don't get chosen sometimes continue to spend their own money in the pros in an attempt to get noticed and move to a good paying ride. And in F1, IndyCar and NASCAR, a number of pay drivers bring sponsors or family money to teams to get a ride. I am not aware of any pro racing where the program can be funded by the purse.
On the numbers, I have never sat down with DC or any of the track owners and asked them about their revenue or expenses. I have produced a lot of television and know that the sport has to pay to be on the networks. Motocross is like that amateur that did not get picked for the good ride, it has to pay to compete with the other sports on television. Unfortunately this will take a huge chunk of money.
I'm just thinking, if one is bringing in close to a million dollars for a race, there should be more than sixty grand to pay the riders. The fact that people don't see this as a problem fustrates me.
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I at least gave some numbers, you can't give me any numbers when it comes to mx.
My best bet, when everything is done for the year, they break even.
SX I don't think even makes the amount you're claiming.
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If you don't think it's dying, ask your local dealers how many bikes they sell. Ask your local tracks how their entries are. The Vet classes seem to be consistently the biggest classes (around here anyway), to me, that shows a dying sport...without new 'blood' getting involved.
Don't sweat the naysayers, as they will criticize each and every move you make! Anybody that can't see the improvements you've made in the last few years, is either blind, or dumb.
DC already said the track owner pays the purse which is set by the promoter(Mx Sports). MX Sports has the means set up to pay the riders through the AMA, which the AMA charges MX Sports for that service along with other services they provide. Mx Sports provides this service as part of their agreement with the track. Now when DC mentioned the tracks were being charged another $4k this year, some seemed outraged they charged the tracks more money to be part of the series.
In reference to the above post: DC(Mx Sports) said that the track owners keep the spectator entry money Now this genius with the last post that knows all of the track owners expenses to run a national is saying the tracks are making so much money they can pay more. Next time you go to a national(if you have ever been to one), take a look at the property, structures, the heavy equipment, the staff, and how many things are going on at any given time. The porta potty bill would be enough to make you shit. Now that is just the visible stuff. It is mind boggling the amount of work and manpower it takes.
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Learning the difference between a promoter and a track owner might be where some of you may want to start, because from reading some of these posts they obviously do not know the difference.
I am not sure what it cost to have the National televised, but if you ever get a chance to be there the day before( perhaps for amateur racing) take a look at the TV trucks(semis) location and the miles of cable buried all throughout the track going to all the different cameras bringing all the coverage to us. So, since the sport does not have a large enough viewing audience to have a TV station pay money for the coverage, MX Sports needs to foot the bill. So this means they need an other department in MX Sports to handle getting advertisers to help offset the costs of the TV coverage they are providing for you and I.
Basically there is a lot more to it than most people realize. Next time you go to a race, take a close look around you, and I think you will have a new appreciation for the promoters and track owners.
Just my 2 cents worth. Moto On!
The privateers keep showing up and chase the dream. When the gates can't be filled, the pittance will be adjusted accordingly.
What is the difference to a spectator if you are being lapped once or twice, you are not in the hunt. Thinking otherwise is a lot like the wmx, a handful of vocal family members, but outside of them, few followers.
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