So how did AC earn his pro license?

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Straight from supermini's to the Pro ranks, did he earn his PRO license?

OOPS...forgot about the out:

"Discretionary Approval: AMA Pro Racing may issue a license to any rider who does not meet one of the above criteria if it determines, in its sole discretion, the rider has adequate competition experience. If applying under this criteria, an Eligibility Application must be submitted for approval in addition to the pro license application."

I never knew "adequate competition experience" was at the supermini level.

Just interesting, that's all. He'll be a star next year.
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5/10/2013 12:07pm
Showed he could ride at monster cup on a big bike right?
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Thank god for this exception...can't wait to see him race!
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This exception pays out way more than you hear about, AC's case just happens to be in front of everyone's face. My question a few years ago was how did guys who had yet to score a Lites SX point (after a half season full of tries) get a 450 SX license?
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5/10/2013 12:24pm
Shawn142 wrote:
This exception pays out way more than you hear about, AC's case just happens to be in front of everyone's face. My question a few years...
This exception pays out way more than you hear about, AC's case just happens to be in front of everyone's face. My question a few years ago was how did guys who had yet to score a Lites SX point (after a half season full of tries) get a 450 SX license?
Many were grandfathered in because they'd already been racing SX

Only fair

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5/10/2013 12:31pm Edited Date/Time 5/10/2013 12:33pm
Shawn142 wrote:
This exception pays out way more than you hear about, AC's case just happens to be in front of everyone's face. My question a few years...
This exception pays out way more than you hear about, AC's case just happens to be in front of everyone's face. My question a few years ago was how did guys who had yet to score a Lites SX point (after a half season full of tries) get a 450 SX license?
Really? There are that many supermini riders with NO proam experience that get pro licenses?

Never knew that.. thanks for the info.

Seems kind of silly then to have all those "requirements" listed.
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5/10/2013 12:48pm Edited Date/Time 5/10/2013 12:57pm
The fact that he rides for one of the winningest and powerful teams in the history of the sport isn't adequate?

This rule was not put in place for guys like AC. You know, as well as I do and the rest of the world that he will not be a problem on the track.


If you saw some of the weekend warriors that used to try to race their local SX's you would have crapped. It was comical it best. (and dangerous, which wasn't comical)
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5/10/2013 1:01pm
Shawn142 wrote:
This exception pays out way more than you hear about, AC's case just happens to be in front of everyone's face. My question a few years...
This exception pays out way more than you hear about, AC's case just happens to be in front of everyone's face. My question a few years ago was how did guys who had yet to score a Lites SX point (after a half season full of tries) get a 450 SX license?
if you can go out and jump all the obsticles in a sx track you deserve to be out there and ride. thats what making the night show is all about , then you try harder to get better from there on.if your just plain dangerous then you shouldnt be out there but getting your license9racing outdoors) has nothing to do with sx
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5/10/2013 1:10pm
Alternating Current got a pro license?
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Moto_Geek wrote:
Alternating Current got a pro license?
Atlantic City, I believe
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You could get your pro licenses and not make the night show.... I remember when there were day qualifiers seeing people getting lapped in 4 laps and they all were PRO.....so I agree AC doesn't need to wax everyone at LL again. You used to have to have a track referee and others approval, then it went to just buying one...
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How about it's fair because he's fast enough.
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5/10/2013 2:23pm
Shawn142 wrote:
This exception pays out way more than you hear about, AC's case just happens to be in front of everyone's face. My question a few years...
This exception pays out way more than you hear about, AC's case just happens to be in front of everyone's face. My question a few years ago was how did guys who had yet to score a Lites SX point (after a half season full of tries) get a 450 SX license?
jbomx363 wrote:
Really? There are that many supermini riders with NO proam experience that get pro licenses? Never knew that.. thanks for the info. Seems kind of silly...
Really? There are that many supermini riders with NO proam experience that get pro licenses?

Never knew that.. thanks for the info.

Seems kind of silly then to have all those "requirements" listed.
Why do you keep calling him a supermini rider? He raced a 125 then a 250f for a while now. Did you see the Monster Cup race 7 months ago?
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How about it's fair because he's fast enough.
If they make every other rider pay x amount of money and race x amount of events then so should he.
Now I'm not saying he didn't earn his license the way everyone else does, but what's the point of the rule book if they simply give free passes?
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5/10/2013 2:59pm
Just like Dungey...
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5/10/2013 3:05pm
How about it's fair because he's fast enough.
Choppy wrote:
If they make every other rider pay x amount of money and race x amount of events then so should he. Now I'm not saying he...
If they make every other rider pay x amount of money and race x amount of events then so should he.
Now I'm not saying he didn't earn his license the way everyone else does, but what's the point of the rule book if they simply give free passes?
I have a hard time losing sleep over it. He earned it with his talent and the rules allow it. I'll lose sleep when rich kids 45 seconds off the leaders' pace get to buy exceptions that move them past better qualified riders. Actually, I probably won't lose any sleep then either.
5/10/2013 3:08pm
jbomx363 wrote:
Straight from supermini's to the Pro ranks, did he earn his PRO license? OOPS...forgot about the out: "Discretionary Approval: AMA Pro Racing may issue a license...
Straight from supermini's to the Pro ranks, did he earn his PRO license?

OOPS...forgot about the out:

"Discretionary Approval: AMA Pro Racing may issue a license to any rider who does not meet one of the above criteria if it determines, in its sole discretion, the rider has adequate competition experience. If applying under this criteria, an Eligibility Application must be submitted for approval in addition to the pro license application."

I never knew "adequate competition experience" was at the supermini level.

Just interesting, that's all. He'll be a star next year.
That is what happens when you are national fast. I have no problem with guys like AC who belong there.
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How about it's fair because he's fast enough.
Choppy wrote:
If they make every other rider pay x amount of money and race x amount of events then so should he. Now I'm not saying he...
If they make every other rider pay x amount of money and race x amount of events then so should he.
Now I'm not saying he didn't earn his license the way everyone else does, but what's the point of the rule book if they simply give free passes?
I have a hard time losing sleep over it. He earned it with his talent and the rules allow it. I'll lose sleep when rich kids...
I have a hard time losing sleep over it. He earned it with his talent and the rules allow it. I'll lose sleep when rich kids 45 seconds off the leaders' pace get to buy exceptions that move them past better qualified riders. Actually, I probably won't lose any sleep then either.
I don't lose sleep over it either.
I just find it odd how people are constantly ok with the AMA picking favorites and changing rules for people.

I just don't see why people continue to pay the AMA to attend races. IF you can even show me one thing they've done to better things in the past 5 years I can show you just as many if not more mistakes they make each year.

What do they really do that Feld/MxSports can't?
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5/10/2013 4:55pm
Regis wrote:
The fact that he rides for one of the winningest and powerful teams in the history of the sport isn't adequate? This rule was not put...
The fact that he rides for one of the winningest and powerful teams in the history of the sport isn't adequate?

This rule was not put in place for guys like AC. You know, as well as I do and the rest of the world that he will not be a problem on the track.


If you saw some of the weekend warriors that used to try to race their local SX's you would have crapped. It was comical it best. (and dangerous, which wasn't comical)
That's not the point Regis. He should have to earn it and put in the time just like everybody else... This sports a joke it's all about who you blow.....
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5/10/2013 4:56pm
The AC I watched ride this afternoon looked plenty comfortable on a full Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki race bike.

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It's not about who he knows, but how fast he is. And the rules provide for it. If some 30th place c rider gets his license because he dad pays $1million, bitch then. They haven't applied the rule poorly.
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Regis wrote:
The fact that he rides for one of the winningest and powerful teams in the history of the sport isn't adequate? This rule was not put...
The fact that he rides for one of the winningest and powerful teams in the history of the sport isn't adequate?

This rule was not put in place for guys like AC. You know, as well as I do and the rest of the world that he will not be a problem on the track.


If you saw some of the weekend warriors that used to try to race their local SX's you would have crapped. It was comical it best. (and dangerous, which wasn't comical)
That's not the point Regis. He should have to earn it and put in the time just like everybody else... This sports a joke it's all...
That's not the point Regis. He should have to earn it and put in the time just like everybody else... This sports a joke it's all about who you blow.....
Don't know anything about the world you live in, but in my world there are exceptions like that in every aspect of life. There are people who "earn" their positions the traditional way, and others who bypass those routes, sometimes legitimately, sometimes not.

The point of those rules is to demonstrate capability. In this case I I think there's little doubt about the guy's capability.
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5/10/2013 5:35pm
unh hmm! there were 14 other amateur riders in the MEC are they afforded that same luxury or do they have to continue "earning" points????

the question is where do you draw the line on who you "cherry pick"?

BTW I am a AC fan and can't wait to see how he does.
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5/10/2013 5:40pm Edited Date/Time 5/10/2013 5:51pm
Choppy wrote:
I don't lose sleep over it either. I just find it odd how people are constantly ok with the AMA picking favorites and changing rules for...
I don't lose sleep over it either.
I just find it odd how people are constantly ok with the AMA picking favorites and changing rules for people.

I just don't see why people continue to pay the AMA to attend races. IF you can even show me one thing they've done to better things in the past 5 years I can show you just as many if not more mistakes they make each year.

What do they really do that Feld/MxSports can't?
Remember the although the AMA is still involved with supercross as part of the legacy of the JAMSports fiasco back in 03 or so when the FIM came in, the AMA has zero to do with outdoor pro motocross.

It's confusing that AMA Pro Racing kept the AMA part and the AMA logo when the AMA sold it to Daytona Motorsports Group in 08 or so, but the AMA in Ohio has zero connection with the AMA Pro Racing that is now in Florida and owned by DMG. These are completely independent entities. I think the only formal role the AMA plays in pro motocross relates to representation at the MXdN given that it is the official national organization for the FIM.

The rule allowing for exceptions for proven talent was in place prior to the 2013 AMA Pro Racing motocross rulebook.

http://www.mxsportsproracing.com/pdf/2013/Rulebooks/MX-2013-Rulebook%20Final.pdf

(BTW, I am on the same page with you on whether formal separate sanctioning bodies are necessary, but whether they are or are not in place begs the question of the rule's merits)
5/10/2013 5:46pm
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unh hmm! there were 14 other amateur riders in the MEC are they afforded that same luxury or do they have to continue "earning" points???? the...
unh hmm! there were 14 other amateur riders in the MEC are they afforded that same luxury or do they have to continue "earning" points????

the question is where do you draw the line on who you "cherry pick"?

BTW I am a AC fan and can't wait to see how he does.
If they wanted the same luxury, you can believe they'd go after it. Most kids, hell nearly all outside of Dungey and now Adam, will more than likely choose to do amateur races at the pro level to gauge their speed and get experience in learning to race for money, and not plastic. Unfortunately, like DJ said, it is sometimes about who you know and how much effort is going in to whats being said to the AMA about you.
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brocster wrote:
unh hmm! there were 14 other amateur riders in the MEC are they afforded that same luxury or do they have to continue "earning" points???? the...
unh hmm! there were 14 other amateur riders in the MEC are they afforded that same luxury or do they have to continue "earning" points????

the question is where do you draw the line on who you "cherry pick"?

BTW I am a AC fan and can't wait to see how he does.
I guess you can't really answer that question until you determine whether any of the surviving members of that class satisfied the age limit, weren't eligible otherwise, asked for the same provisional treatment, but were excluded. Some of them are going to be on the line this season, aren't they, and others may want to pursue the amateur stuff because of their sponsors and/or their plan.

But if they are fast enough to add to the show, why would the promoter or sanctioning body want to keep them out? The rule in whole seems more to be about assuring the riders can safely maintain national level speed than to exclude people who are talented and meet the age requirement.
5/10/2013 5:52pm
brocster wrote:
unh hmm! there were 14 other amateur riders in the MEC are they afforded that same luxury or do they have to continue "earning" points???? the...
unh hmm! there were 14 other amateur riders in the MEC are they afforded that same luxury or do they have to continue "earning" points????

the question is where do you draw the line on who you "cherry pick"?

BTW I am a AC fan and can't wait to see how he does.
If they wanted the same luxury, you can believe they'd go after it. Most kids, hell nearly all outside of Dungey and now Adam, will more...
If they wanted the same luxury, you can believe they'd go after it. Most kids, hell nearly all outside of Dungey and now Adam, will more than likely choose to do amateur races at the pro level to gauge their speed and get experience in learning to race for money, and not plastic. Unfortunately, like DJ said, it is sometimes about who you know and how much effort is going in to whats being said to the AMA about you.
I agree with JP. I am curious if any of those 14 tried, and were denied? Then it may be an issue.
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Here's an angle

Name some riders that didn't get in that should have, there is even a few that go get the points that shouldn't be out there.

end of story is, The Real fast guy's will get in. They don't hand out participation trophy's
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Here's an angle Name some riders that didn't get in that should have, there is even a few that go get the points that shouldn't be...
Here's an angle

Name some riders that didn't get in that should have, there is even a few that go get the points that shouldn't be out there.

end of story is, The Real fast guy's will get in. They don't hand out participation trophy's
Maybe not participation trophies, but they sure do give out gifts.
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500guy wrote:
Here's an angle Name some riders that didn't get in that should have, there is even a few that go get the points that shouldn't be...
Here's an angle

Name some riders that didn't get in that should have, there is even a few that go get the points that shouldn't be out there.

end of story is, The Real fast guy's will get in. They don't hand out participation trophy's
Choppy wrote:
Maybe not participation trophies, but they sure do give out gifts.
No, they give admittance to riders that top Industry People have faith in and enough experience to make a good judgement call.

This is not a bad thing, anyone complaining is just sour grapes because they missed their chance for what ever reason.
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5/10/2013 6:18pm Edited Date/Time 5/10/2013 6:19pm
500guy wrote:
Here's an angle Name some riders that didn't get in that should have, there is even a few that go get the points that shouldn't be...
Here's an angle

Name some riders that didn't get in that should have, there is even a few that go get the points that shouldn't be out there.

end of story is, The Real fast guy's will get in. They don't hand out participation trophy's
Choppy wrote:
Maybe not participation trophies, but they sure do give out gifts.
500guy wrote:
No, they give admittance to riders that top Industry People have faith in and enough experience to make a good judgement call. This is not a...
No, they give admittance to riders that top Industry People have faith in and enough experience to make a good judgement call.

This is not a bad thing, anyone complaining is just sour grapes because they missed their chance for what ever reason.
You wouldn't see those types of things in many other sports is my point. I just think you make everyone run the same process.
No I didn't miss my chance on anything in life.

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