Its time for PED's testing to step up

Husqerdo wrote:

You seem to know a awful lot about about peds.. The same guys who run the fastest lap time in practice win races unlike you

Outsider wrote:

Husqweirdo, proving his vast knowledge once again!

Husqerdo wrote:

The only documented advantage of so called "PEDS" is to enhance recovery and build muscle mass. This is beneficial in football, gymnastics, hockey, wrestling and weight...

The only documented advantage of so called "PEDS" is to enhance recovery and build muscle mass. This is beneficial in football, gymnastics, hockey, wrestling and weight lifting. My point is, other then injury recovery, PEDS do not benefit active (non injured) SX riders. The counter argument made by some of you is that PEDS make everyone better no matter what they are doing, as if PEDS are the same as Underdogs little magic pill. The remaining generic response is endurance, my factual point that the fastest one lap riders are also the fastest 20 lap riders illustrates endurance is not part of the argument either. Sorry if that went over some of your heads. Coming through the amateur ranks, all of the top riders rode multiple classes,endurance was earned, unless you think they used PEDS back then.
I apologize for the name calling, had a few too many cocktails, but I disagree with accusations made without any factual basis.

Husqerdo wrote:

You seem to know a awful lot about about peds.. The same guys who run the fastest lap time in practice win races unlike you

Outsider wrote:

Husqweirdo, proving his vast knowledge once again!

Husqerdo wrote:

The only documented advantage of so called "PEDS" is to enhance recovery and build muscle mass. This is beneficial in football, gymnastics, hockey, wrestling and weight...

The only documented advantage of so called "PEDS" is to enhance recovery and build muscle mass. This is beneficial in football, gymnastics, hockey, wrestling and weight lifting. My point is, other then injury recovery, PEDS do not benefit active (non injured) SX riders. The counter argument made by some of you is that PEDS make everyone better no matter what they are doing, as if PEDS are the same as Underdogs little magic pill. The remaining generic response is endurance, my factual point that the fastest one lap riders are also the fastest 20 lap riders illustrates endurance is not part of the argument either. Sorry if that went over some of your heads. Coming through the amateur ranks, all of the top riders rode multiple classes,endurance was earned, unless you think they used PEDS back then.
I apologize for the name calling, had a few too many cocktails, but I disagree with accusations made without any factual basis.

Torco1 wrote:

I don't want to start another argument, but PEDS will help you in just about any sport. You feel like Superman while you are taking them...

I don't want to start another argument, but PEDS will help you in just about any sport. You feel like Superman while you are taking them. Not only do you recover quicker, but you don't get tired or fatigued as easily while you are taking them. Also, MX and SX require a lot of strength and there is a huge benefit if you are not only stronger than other competitors, but if you can sustain than strength without getting tired.
I have no idea if any of the professional racers are doing them, but I can tell you 100% by experience that by taking PEDS you will have an advantage over anyone regardless of the activity you are participating in.

Torco1 wrote:

I don't want to start another argument, but PEDS will help you in just about any sport. You feel like Superman while you are taking them...

I don't want to start another argument, but PEDS will help you in just about any sport. You feel like Superman while you are taking them. Not only do you recover quicker, but you don't get tired or fatigued as easily while you are taking them. Also, MX and SX require a lot of strength and there is a huge benefit if you are not only stronger than other competitors, but if you can sustain than strength without getting tired.
I have no idea if any of the professional racers are doing them, but I can tell you 100% by experience that by taking PEDS you will have an advantage over anyone regardless of the activity you are participating in.

ocscottie wrote:

I havent bothered to read all the pages in this thread, but we have been over this quite a few times recently. Couple things worth reading...

I havent bothered to read all the pages in this thread, but we have been over this quite a few times recently.

Couple things worth reading that i had posted in those earlier threads

2013 AMA SX Rules

and scroll down to:

WADA Anti-Doping Information

and click on WADA Anti-Doping Code

Ryan Rogerson wrote:

People who think PED's won't benefit an mx athlete are insane!

TripleDigit wrote:

Results last year came back from some testing in the GPs where Cairoli,Desalle.Paulin,Herlings were amongst those who were tested and passed,so they do happen,the MXdN in...

Results last year came back from some testing in the GPs where Cairoli,Desalle.Paulin,Herlings were amongst those who were tested and passed,so they do happen,the MXdN in France saw some testing too,although I'm not naive enough to think everyone's clean on both sides of the pond though

I'm convinced there are some guys doping and not others,hasn't anyone ever looked at the Outdoors Lites class and ever wondered FFS??

TransMotoSport wrote:

the use of epo will increase red blood cells, increasing oxygen carried in the blood, but also increase the extract of toxins that are produced. So...

the use of epo will increase red blood cells, increasing oxygen carried in the blood, but also increase the extract of toxins that are produced. So it all depends on what PED's you are talking about. I am far from a expert on the matter. My information comes from a Joe Rogan interviewing Victor Conte on youtube that someone had posted on vital, fantastic 3 hr interview if it interest you

TransMotoSport wrote:

Its time for PED's testing to step up its game in AMA. With so many capable race winners this is not the same as the previous...

Its time for PED's testing to step up its game in AMA. With so many capable race winners this is not the same as the previous decade with mainly 2 dominent riders at any one time that could be scruitinised
Now more than ever we need to be pro-active in prevention rather than a future fallout and major disgraces to fix
AMA and FIM please jump on it now and keep our sport clean or clean up if needed

thekendogg wrote:

In a perfect world, a drug testing system where by an independent panel randomly performed routine drugs test would be perfect, across all professional motocross championships...

In a perfect world, a drug testing system where by an independent panel randomly performed routine drugs test would be perfect, across all professional motocross championships.

Looking at the SX class this year, where there are 7 guys who could legitimately win races within 2 or 3 tenths of a second of eachother in laptimes, surely any little advantage you could get would be worth getting. I mean an extra 2% or 3% could really be the difference between 1st and 6th.

The way I look at it is, the ability, physicality and physique of the younger riders these days is incredible, and how they can dive straight in and win races straight away. Roczen was 15 when he started riding and getting podiums in the WC; Tomac won his first professional race; Canard won his rookie championship in SX; Barcia ran upfront quite a lot in his first few months ever in outdoors (#151).

This is in no doubt partly down to the fact that these kids are stepping onto factory bikes straight out of amateur classes, but it does seems suspicious to me that "back in the day" (i.e. 70s, 80s, early 90s) that there were very few, if any, racers below the age of 20 that really won races and championships. Could this be down to PEDs? I don't know, I'm just speculating. I just think it is VERY, VERY naive to think that in this day in age, with millions of $$$s on the line to do with sponsors, championships, and all round pressure, that any rider would refuse to take a form of PED if they knew they could get away with it.

I think a lot of people would be surprised what a strict and strenuous drug regulating body could reveal in motocross. All you have to do is look at rugby union, rugby league, Aussie rules football, certian instances in football (soccer), numerous cases in baseball, cycling, etc. the list goes on.

(I AM NOT CALLING ANY OF THE AFOREMENTIONED RIDERS CHEATS IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM)

ocscottie wrote:

and here is a pic Chad posted a little while ago, if you recall last year (see this thread: [url=http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/WADA-makes-their-first-appearance,1233163]WADA makes their first appearance...[/url] ) Chad...

and here is a pic Chad posted a little while ago, if you recall last year (see this thread: WADA makes their first appearance... ) Chad and RV got surprise visits from the WADA crew. This pic is telling Chad that he no longer has to let them know where he is at 24/7

...as far as what their (WADA) involvement is this year? i have no clue.

TransMotoSport wrote:

For me my beef would be a loss of interest in the sport if PED's where found to be prevalent, I believe that would be the...

For me my beef would be a loss of interest in the sport if PED's where found to be prevalent, I believe that would be the way the majority of people would feel. There have been some standout athletes in SX, last year one in the 250class and this year one in the 450 class, both riders i really like but i have to admit the thought that is it possible they are cheating to get such big improvements, keeps crossing my mind. I hate thinking this and wish better testing was in place and i could know they are just training smarter.

googs the 2nd wrote:

quite valid...look at cycling since lance "came out".....a very tainted sport at present.

Husqerdo wrote:

Here we go again with some Ausie punk who can't except the fact CR is riding around in 5th place, and he comes up with this...

Here we go again with some Ausie punk who can't except the fact CR is riding around in 5th place, and he comes up with this PEDS BS. Get some class, it's only the 6th round you pussy.

Husqerdo wrote:

Here we go again with some Ausie punk who can't except the fact CR is riding around in 5th place, and he comes up with this...

Here we go again with some Ausie punk who can't except the fact CR is riding around in 5th place, and he comes up with this PEDS BS. Get some class, it's only the 6th round you pussy.

Lucifa. wrote:

Here's a clue retard. What the fuck does PED stand for? Maybe you should wipe you boyfriends shit stain from your eyes to see whats going...

Here's a clue retard. What the fuck does PED stand for?

Maybe you should wipe you boyfriends shit stain from your eyes to see whats going on.

Husqerdo wrote:

Amazing, another ?stick from where? I have an opinion PEDS do not benefit SX riders. That's all I said, if you want to provide facts do...

Amazing, another ?stick from where? I have an opinion PEDS do not benefit SX riders. That's all I said, if you want to provide facts do it, otherwise STFU. Now you bring up gay shit, funny how people like you bring up gay shit. Stay in the NZL please.

Husqerdo wrote:

Amazing, another ?stick from where? I have an opinion PEDS do not benefit SX riders. That's all I said, if you want to provide facts do...

Amazing, another ?stick from where? I have an opinion PEDS do not benefit SX riders. That's all I said, if you want to provide facts do it, otherwise STFU. Now you bring up gay shit, funny how people like you bring up gay shit. Stay in the NZL please.

Sparkalounger wrote:

I just thought we would get 4 Minnesotan’s in one post, pretty sure its a first! hahaha