How would YOU get the riders more money?

2/7/2013 4:03pm
Have them organize a union. Then have all the poor saps sit on the gate during the main and strike. And see how exciting that first...
Have them organize a union.

Then have all the poor saps sit on the gate during the main and strike. And see how exciting that first turn is with 5 bikes going through. Watch as the people leave. Watch as they don't buy tickets to the next event and watch as the ratings plummet.

And if it they don't agree to pay these guys what they're worth, well then feld , speed and NBC sports can all lose money on the deal and feel the punishment to the pocketbook.

Someone's getting rich at the expense of the riders. They aren't unskilled employees tossing you some curly fries from the drive-through, so stop treating them like they are.
Yeah that's the ticket I hope that happens because I want to see how it plays out. Its not like Stewart, Reed , Dungey, Carmichael ,McGrath or any of those guys got rich racing.Blush
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2/7/2013 4:07pm Edited Date/Time 2/7/2013 4:08pm
Have them organize a union. Then have all the poor saps sit on the gate during the main and strike. And see how exciting that first...
Have them organize a union.

Then have all the poor saps sit on the gate during the main and strike. And see how exciting that first turn is with 5 bikes going through. Watch as the people leave. Watch as they don't buy tickets to the next event and watch as the ratings plummet.

And if it they don't agree to pay these guys what they're worth, well then feld , speed and NBC sports can all lose money on the deal and feel the punishment to the pocketbook.

Someone's getting rich at the expense of the riders. They aren't unskilled employees tossing you some curly fries from the drive-through, so stop treating them like they are.
They would fill the race with arena cross racers and most of the energy drinking x-games loving spectators/viewers wouldn't even know the difference. Trust me NBC/Speed would still make money or they would drop the series due to failure to fufill the agreement.They'd show bass fishing and the ratings might go up.
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2/7/2013 4:34pm
It'll never happen. As long as you have people out there that spend a fortune to get to the level to qualify for an SX main event, no one is going to pay them for it. They do it hoping to get picked up by a team, which can relieve them from the financial misery, and then hope to do well enough to actually cash in, from support by the team with better bikes and better equipment and training, so then they wouldn't have to get a job, which most of them couldn't even read the application for. But it's all going backwards. Teams are folding, factories have cut back, and the energy drink companies are under scrutiny from the government. The factories are making great bikes, using all the new technology, but the average rider doesn't want one. Look at this board. Everyone is looking for 250 and 125 2 strokes to rebuild. Not many talking about their new $9000 whatever with forks that won't hold the bike up, and $1500 for aftermarket exhaust. The fan base of SX needs to expand in the spectator area. Our sport is a niche sport. It's Saturday night with mom and dad and the kids and popcorn, to watch something cool and exciting. These kids will get into it and have their favorites to watch, but they will never ride, because dad can't afford it. But they can become big fans, and that's where the money lies. How about more races in the center of the country, that can produce full stadiums. This would help with time zones and the TV coverage would be at times that people will be able to watch. Have a couple in Texas, instead of the first 6 in California. The tv coverage has been great, but after getting up at 6AM, and working all day, and taking care of the kids, who are the future of the sport, who can stay up and watch a program that starts at 10:30 at night if you're in the Eastern Time Zone, where most of the population lives. You don't see the main event till 1 AM. You generate interest by having an event on tv at prime time viewing, that will draw the interest of people to at least look once. If they like it,then it grows,and more coverage happens,and more money comes in. It's the only way the sport will grow. Sx is a stadium event that the general population get get involved in. I think MX will always be attended by those involved in the sport, until they cease to exist. With the economy today many are working 2 jobs just to stay even. There is no money for dirtbikes for the kids. But there is an audience. They need to expand the entertainment issue to the public to do anything that will change what people will get paid.
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2/7/2013 4:57pm
I forgot to address the union issue. qtrracer hit on it. Where I live I've seen unions picketing their employers, while the employers hired others. Result, union guys are on unemployment. The Porgy guys idea wouldn't even work once, because everyone has to buy in, and you have to trust them. How stupid is he. SX is a TV show, and an event for families to attend for fun. It's not tapered to the people that ride bikes. Why do you think MT started it? For money. It;s a spectator sport, as gtrracer said. The people watching will watch who ever is racing. The big guys would never go with it. They got theirs.

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2/7/2013 5:25pm Edited Date/Time 2/7/2013 5:31pm
lostboy819 wrote:
"(maybe to keep the money selfishly to themselves?)" I guess being the best and getting the big money is selfish :woohoo: :woohoo: You guys are pathetic...
"(maybe to keep the money selfishly to themselves?)" I guess being the best and getting the big money is selfish Woohoo Woohoo You guys are pathetic. Lets give everyone a trophy.
What age demographic are you in? I like your thinking. Let's fuck over future generations so they can roll in the money now. I am one of the first generations of people who will put more in to social security in this country then I will get back; not how the system was intended 80 years ago. The older generations could care less because Ole Uncle Sam is taking care of them. Go troll somewhere else.

My post had nothing to do with what the Reed's, Stewart's and so forth make as a yearly gross income. The outside money from private sponsors pays for most of that and that is not associated with what we are talking about. Are you saying riders don't want to be safer so they can stay healthier and make more money? JT$ is one of the first to bitch about tuff blocks being a hazard yet nothing is really being done to change the shape, covers, concentration and all of that. It's a legitimate complaint that many guys have yet no one has a deep enough influence to make anybody listen and take action. Your stance is just lunacy to me. It has to be organized and regulated correctly though.

This is a good basis for what it can do if regulated properly. Don't give them to much power and keep it professional without a spitting contest.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Prix_Drivers'_Association
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2/7/2013 5:29pm
-Riders should be cut in on a percentage of the tickets sold.

- If they aren't permitted to sell their own stuff in the pits due to conflict with series sponsors then they should get a percentage of the money sponsors pay Feld.

- Even out the purse payout to favor those who finish outside the top ten. Top ten could careless about the purse, unless they actually start paying a good purse.

-Pit party money should go to the teams!!!

-NO FREAKING ENTRY FEES OR PARKING FEES! Team members should not be paying to get in either. Do you think Feld or the stadium charge the stadium workers to get in to go to work....NOOOOOOO


Feld makes millions off of sx and the riders and they need to start taking better care of them and the teams.
2/7/2013 5:32pm
lostboy819 wrote:
"(maybe to keep the money selfishly to themselves?)" I guess being the best and getting the big money is selfish :woohoo: :woohoo: You guys are pathetic...
"(maybe to keep the money selfishly to themselves?)" I guess being the best and getting the big money is selfish Woohoo Woohoo You guys are pathetic. Lets give everyone a trophy.
What age demographic are you in? I like your thinking. Let's fuck over future generations so they can roll in the money now. I am one...
What age demographic are you in? I like your thinking. Let's fuck over future generations so they can roll in the money now. I am one of the first generations of people who will put more in to social security in this country then I will get back; not how the system was intended 80 years ago. The older generations could care less because Ole Uncle Sam is taking care of them. Go troll somewhere else.

My post had nothing to do with what the Reed's, Stewart's and so forth make as a yearly gross income. The outside money from private sponsors pays for most of that and that is not associated with what we are talking about. Are you saying riders don't want to be safer so they can stay healthier and make more money? JT$ is one of the first to bitch about tuff blocks being a hazard yet nothing is really being done to change the shape, covers, concentration and all of that. It's a legitimate complaint that many guys have yet no one has a deep enough influence to make anybody listen and take action. Your stance is just lunacy to me. It has to be organized and regulated correctly though.

This is a good basis for what it can do if regulated properly. Don't give them to much power and keep it professional without a spitting contest.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Prix_Drivers'_Association
Sorry dude but racing is everyman for himself. Government and social security have nothing to do with racing and you either get paid or you don't. I am 50 so I don't have the lets pay all the racers equally because its not their fault that some are better than others. Bottom line is if you don't make enough racing then get a job doing something else, its a cold cruel world.
2/7/2013 5:32pm
Have them organize a union. Then have all the poor saps sit on the gate during the main and strike. And see how exciting that first...
Have them organize a union.

Then have all the poor saps sit on the gate during the main and strike. And see how exciting that first turn is with 5 bikes going through. Watch as the people leave. Watch as they don't buy tickets to the next event and watch as the ratings plummet.

And if it they don't agree to pay these guys what they're worth, well then feld , speed and NBC sports can all lose money on the deal and feel the punishment to the pocketbook.

Someone's getting rich at the expense of the riders. They aren't unskilled employees tossing you some curly fries from the drive-through, so stop treating them like they are.
Yea... it's been a terrible 50 year problem in F1 hahahahaha.
2/7/2013 5:35pm Edited Date/Time 2/7/2013 5:41pm
lostboy819 wrote:
"(maybe to keep the money selfishly to themselves?)" I guess being the best and getting the big money is selfish :woohoo: :woohoo: You guys are pathetic...
"(maybe to keep the money selfishly to themselves?)" I guess being the best and getting the big money is selfish Woohoo Woohoo You guys are pathetic. Lets give everyone a trophy.
What age demographic are you in? I like your thinking. Let's fuck over future generations so they can roll in the money now. I am one...
What age demographic are you in? I like your thinking. Let's fuck over future generations so they can roll in the money now. I am one of the first generations of people who will put more in to social security in this country then I will get back; not how the system was intended 80 years ago. The older generations could care less because Ole Uncle Sam is taking care of them. Go troll somewhere else.

My post had nothing to do with what the Reed's, Stewart's and so forth make as a yearly gross income. The outside money from private sponsors pays for most of that and that is not associated with what we are talking about. Are you saying riders don't want to be safer so they can stay healthier and make more money? JT$ is one of the first to bitch about tuff blocks being a hazard yet nothing is really being done to change the shape, covers, concentration and all of that. It's a legitimate complaint that many guys have yet no one has a deep enough influence to make anybody listen and take action. Your stance is just lunacy to me. It has to be organized and regulated correctly though.

This is a good basis for what it can do if regulated properly. Don't give them to much power and keep it professional without a spitting contest.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Prix_Drivers'_Association
lostboy819 wrote:
Sorry dude but racing is everyman for himself. Government and social security have nothing to do with racing and you either get paid or you don't...
Sorry dude but racing is everyman for himself. Government and social security have nothing to do with racing and you either get paid or you don't. I am 50 so I don't have the lets pay all the racers equally because its not their fault that some are better than others. Bottom line is if you don't make enough racing then get a job doing something else, its a cold cruel world.
Every man for himself? I'm sorry but I missed the part where Dungey showed up in his truck with a bone stock KTM450 and won the main event last weekend. He sure did change out that shock in a hurry all by himself last week.

**To add,

If teams pull out because they cannot afford to go racing there will be no racing. The team is just as important as the SINGLE rider. Without them no one makes money because they have no bike to ride, no entry fee paid for them, no plane ticket bought, no hotel paid for, no rental car taken care of and no sponsors to attract. So yes, them being "selfish" does affect the rest of the industry and outside sponsor interest. I can also admit the racing and exposure is better than I think it's ever been so maybe we don't need it but it's just one man's opinion against another's.
2/7/2013 5:56pm
What age demographic are you in? I like your thinking. Let's fuck over future generations so they can roll in the money now. I am one...
What age demographic are you in? I like your thinking. Let's fuck over future generations so they can roll in the money now. I am one of the first generations of people who will put more in to social security in this country then I will get back; not how the system was intended 80 years ago. The older generations could care less because Ole Uncle Sam is taking care of them. Go troll somewhere else.

My post had nothing to do with what the Reed's, Stewart's and so forth make as a yearly gross income. The outside money from private sponsors pays for most of that and that is not associated with what we are talking about. Are you saying riders don't want to be safer so they can stay healthier and make more money? JT$ is one of the first to bitch about tuff blocks being a hazard yet nothing is really being done to change the shape, covers, concentration and all of that. It's a legitimate complaint that many guys have yet no one has a deep enough influence to make anybody listen and take action. Your stance is just lunacy to me. It has to be organized and regulated correctly though.

This is a good basis for what it can do if regulated properly. Don't give them to much power and keep it professional without a spitting contest.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Prix_Drivers'_Association
lostboy819 wrote:
Sorry dude but racing is everyman for himself. Government and social security have nothing to do with racing and you either get paid or you don't...
Sorry dude but racing is everyman for himself. Government and social security have nothing to do with racing and you either get paid or you don't. I am 50 so I don't have the lets pay all the racers equally because its not their fault that some are better than others. Bottom line is if you don't make enough racing then get a job doing something else, its a cold cruel world.
Every man for himself? I'm sorry but I missed the part where Dungey showed up in his truck with a bone stock KTM450 and won the...
Every man for himself? I'm sorry but I missed the part where Dungey showed up in his truck with a bone stock KTM450 and won the main event last weekend. He sure did change out that shock in a hurry all by himself last week.

**To add,

If teams pull out because they cannot afford to go racing there will be no racing. The team is just as important as the SINGLE rider. Without them no one makes money because they have no bike to ride, no entry fee paid for them, no plane ticket bought, no hotel paid for, no rental car taken care of and no sponsors to attract. So yes, them being "selfish" does affect the rest of the industry and outside sponsor interest. I can also admit the racing and exposure is better than I think it's ever been so maybe we don't need it but it's just one man's opinion against another's.
So you want Dungey and Stewart and Reed and all those guys to take less ?
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2/7/2013 6:22pm
A young Marine standing a post in Afghanistan and working 7 days a week is going to earn about $18k this year.
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2/7/2013 7:08pm Edited Date/Time 2/7/2013 7:10pm
First and above all, the riders need to either unionize or for a Riders Association. Then they can speak with a single voice to try and...
First and above all, the riders need to either unionize or for a Riders Association. Then they can speak with a single voice to try and adress safety, money and health insurance. Until that happens, they are at the mercy of the man.
qtrracer wrote:
They tried that in nascar. Nascar banned all the drivers that signed the drivers union agreement. Look it up. If the riders did try and unionize...
They tried that in nascar. Nascar banned all the drivers that signed the drivers union agreement. Look it up. If the riders did try and unionize it would spell the end of sx racing, they'd run nuclear cowboyz at every date.
It works for MLB, NFL and NHL. NASCAR has plenty of drivers chomping at the bit to move up to the premier series and fill the gate. SX, not so much. While there are lots of riders out there, there are not a lot of riders than can ride SX the way the pro's do.


All companies/businesses will resist the formation of a union in their area because it limits their power to simply law down to law on their employees. A union in the SX/MX ranks would work better than almost any other arena because of the specialized nature of the workers talents and abilities.

Of course, one of the biggest issues is getting the Big names on board. Without them, it is doomed. And they have less reason to do it other than for the benefit of all the other riders and safety concerns with the tracks. But, if you get the big names, the rest will follow and it will work.

Just my opinion, but I think it would be best for the riders.
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2/7/2013 7:13pm
If we really want to increase $$$ in the sport we need to increase exposure to the common person and make the sport more family friendly. There is a reason big corporations put millions into NASCAR. People may hate stock car racing, but I guarantee most people know who Dale Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon are. Until we do that, everything will be fishing in a small pond. Energy drink sponsorships will only carry this sport so far. To grow, they have to figure out how to get FedEx, Home Depot, Coca Cola, Gatorade, etc. to pony up the big bucks. It's not going to happen overnight, but the sport has become more mainstream than it was 10 - 20 years ago. Who knows, in another 10 years, it's possible we see major sponsorships for SX and that can only lead to more $$$ for riders and teams.

Oh... and bring back 2 strokes! Smile
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2/7/2013 7:20pm Edited Date/Time 2/7/2013 7:36pm
WhKnuckle wrote:
Divide the total purse equally among all the riders who make the main event. The guys who finish in the top 5 are the guys who...
Divide the total purse equally among all the riders who make the main event. The guys who finish in the top 5 are the guys who need purse money the least, and without the other 15 riders there's no show.
qtrracer wrote:
That has got to be the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard. I have an idea have the fastest qualifier start backwards while you're at...
That has got to be the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard. I have an idea have the fastest qualifier start backwards while you're at it. Make the riders show their tax returns and have a sliding scale who ever made more money last year get paid less than the guys who made less. Lets even things out. Lets make the top 10 in points run with flat tires so the slower guys have a chance.
Fuck off, noob. The guys making all the purse money these days aren't racing for purse money, they're racing for endorsement money. Those guys are making big money - the ones who need purse money to make it from race to race are the bottom 15, not the top 5. The main event 450 class purse is about $65K. If you split that evenly among all 20 guys, everyone would get about $3250. Guess whose purse you would cut? The top 3 guys. You think the top 3 finishers of a 450 class supercross race are out there for purse money? You think the top 3 guys are sleeping in the truck and taking showers at the truck stop? You think they're eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches? For the bottom 15 guys, the difference between the $2K or so they're getting now and $3250 is huge. The top 3 guys are in the $million/yr area. They don't give a damn about purse money.
2/7/2013 7:41pm Edited Date/Time 2/7/2013 7:43pm
lostboy819 wrote:
Sorry dude but racing is everyman for himself. Government and social security have nothing to do with racing and you either get paid or you don't...
Sorry dude but racing is everyman for himself. Government and social security have nothing to do with racing and you either get paid or you don't. I am 50 so I don't have the lets pay all the racers equally because its not their fault that some are better than others. Bottom line is if you don't make enough racing then get a job doing something else, its a cold cruel world.
Every man for himself? I'm sorry but I missed the part where Dungey showed up in his truck with a bone stock KTM450 and won the...
Every man for himself? I'm sorry but I missed the part where Dungey showed up in his truck with a bone stock KTM450 and won the main event last weekend. He sure did change out that shock in a hurry all by himself last week.

**To add,

If teams pull out because they cannot afford to go racing there will be no racing. The team is just as important as the SINGLE rider. Without them no one makes money because they have no bike to ride, no entry fee paid for them, no plane ticket bought, no hotel paid for, no rental car taken care of and no sponsors to attract. So yes, them being "selfish" does affect the rest of the industry and outside sponsor interest. I can also admit the racing and exposure is better than I think it's ever been so maybe we don't need it but it's just one man's opinion against another's.
lostboy819 wrote:
So you want Dungey and Stewart and Reed and all those guys to take less ?
Never said that. They can make more for all I care as long as they don't use their leverage to screw the ones below them (not intentionally, but in a "I have enough money so I don't care" way). I don't feel that some of those big money guys care about the plight of the average pro racer. They wouldn't be making that money without those guys, and many other people worldwide, investing in the sport. No one wants to tune in and watch 8 guys that make 500-750k a year and above race around a SX track for 20 minutes and go home.
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2/7/2013 8:26pm
Its been this way for so long it will never change. Riders did not stand up for themselves in the past and got walked on. Most of those that try to qualify for a SX is doing it for a group of people who paid to see them on the big screen. And outdoors is a whole other story. Remember a good promoter makes boat loads of money and puts very little back in. Oh it might seem like they do but the tracks pay the way. Remember its a sport for those that love it and really not to many rich and famous riders are really out there. I bet not even 1% of pro racers are set for life from money they made, maybe less. But as far as promoters go the number is higher I bet. Its only going to get worse in my opinion.
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2/7/2013 10:16pm
The biggest and most visible advertising space available is taken up by oversized numbers and a name.
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2/8/2013 4:42am
Deetsmx wrote:
The biggest and most visible advertising space available is taken up by oversized numbers and a name.
Que the guy with the gull-wing advertisement mount for the handlebars now...
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2/8/2013 5:01am
Deetsmx wrote:
The biggest and most visible advertising space available is taken up by oversized numbers and a name.
ga_pike wrote:
Que the guy with the gull-wing advertisement mount for the handlebars now...
He's on to something.
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2/8/2013 7:36am
Let's see what is not fair here. Feld spends millions getting the stadiums, building the tracks, getting races on TV, promoting in each market, trying to promote the top riders to drum up interest in the series, puting up some purse money, and giving the riders the best opportunity in the world to go out and race and make a name for themselves. Riders pay $200 and are given the shot to show what they can do. Because of the exposure Feld brings supercross, the rider entrepreneur is able to sell that exposure and gain support to race. If he does well more support will come in, if he does poorly he will be out of the game when his own finances run out. It's pretty similar to any other business.
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2/8/2013 8:01am
Never said that. They can make more for all I care as long as they don't use their leverage to screw the ones below them (not...
Never said that. They can make more for all I care as long as they don't use their leverage to screw the ones below them (not intentionally, but in a "I have enough money so I don't care" way). I don't feel that some of those big money guys care about the plight of the average pro racer. They wouldn't be making that money without those guys, and many other people worldwide, investing in the sport. No one wants to tune in and watch 8 guys that make 500-750k a year and above race around a SX track for 20 minutes and go home.
Your right, nobody wants to see that, because that would be like going to a the circus or Nuclear cowboys; a show instead of racing. Racing is about 20 guys lining up and going for it, with the excitement that sometimes that 18th or 19th rider that nobody's heard about is going to break out and give the big boys a run for their money. Racing is not about collecting a paycheck, job security, or a good retirement plan. If that's what guys want they need to apply down at the post office.
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2/8/2013 8:22am Edited Date/Time 2/8/2013 8:23am
It seems like the fairest and most equitable way would be to find a way to boost the purse money at each race. In Nascar every race has a unique sponsor that I assume puts up a portion and I am sure some of their TV contract money gets included, point being that they actually pay enough even for 43rd place that a team can actually survive on it. One of the things that I am embarrased to mention to the casual observer is how much money the riders win.
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Direct deposit works best.
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Hey Overdrive, you're the only one on here that gets it.
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Deetsmx wrote:
The biggest and most visible advertising space available is taken up by oversized numbers and a name.
ga_pike wrote:
Que the guy with the gull-wing advertisement mount for the handlebars now...
I was more referring to the back of the jerseys. We don't really need numbers in SX and I'm sure you could easily identify guys by the logos on their back if it's presented properly. You can tell by just looking at the car in NASCAR who drives it, not sure why this hasn't been pursued yet.
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2/8/2013 10:05am
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[b]Allow riders and teams to sell merchandise for themselves and sponsors in the pits. Cut out all the things they make riders and teams pay for...
Allow riders and teams to sell merchandise for themselves and sponsors in the pits.

Cut out all the things they make riders and teams pay for such as entry fee, and credentials.


Well, you got me on these...I've gotta agree with these points...
Great Idea! The only problem The SX race Promoters will never let it happen..
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2/8/2013 10:14am
It seems like the fairest and most equitable way would be to find a way to boost the purse money at each race. In Nascar every...
It seems like the fairest and most equitable way would be to find a way to boost the purse money at each race. In Nascar every race has a unique sponsor that I assume puts up a portion and I am sure some of their TV contract money gets included, point being that they actually pay enough even for 43rd place that a team can actually survive on it. One of the things that I am embarrased to mention to the casual observer is how much money the riders win.
Actually no. Nascar has an issue of "start and park teams" that run a lap or so and quit. Simply because they do not have a sponsor, no crew and no supplies to run more than a few laps, collect the purse money and get out of town. They are "surviving" to run a lap at the next race.
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2/8/2013 10:26am
Just a thought, why does Feld get to keep the pit pass money. People are not there to see them. Folks come to the pits to check out the teams, bikes and rigs. That money does not belong to feld it should be split evenly with the teams.
2/8/2013 1:41pm
The only real answer comes from following the route other professional atheles have blazed:

Pro Bull Riders: (PBR)
The organization began in 1992 through the efforts of 21 professional bull riders, who gathered in a hotel room in Scottsdale, Arizona and each contributed $1000. Since that time, the organization has grown to include four tours which collectively stage over 300 events worldwide every year. Prize money has exploded from $250,000 in 1994 to over $11 million in 2008.

Pro Surfing:
In January 1983, Cairns launched the ASP (Association of Surfing Professionals) and lured the world circuit organizers to the new organization, which effectively pushed aside the IPS who were left to operate only the Hawaiian pro events. By December 1984, the ASP had sanctioned the IPS controlled Pipeline Masters as a specialty event available to ASP members to enter for the first time.[4] The ASP has remained the predominant surfing organization and sanctioning body for professional surfers since its formation.

PGA:
On January 17, 1916, department store manager Rodman Wanamaker hosted a luncheon at the Hotel Martinique on Broadway on West 32nd street for a group of New York-Area golf professionals and well-known amateur golfers at the Taplow Club in New York City. The purpose of the assembly was to converse on the subject of forming a national association that would promote interest in golf, as well as to help elevate the vocation of golf professionals. Subsequent meetings were held over the next two months, and on April 10, 1916, The PGA of America was created via the 35 charter members signing the constitution and by-laws.

As everyone already knows, it must begin with the top pros meeting to organize an association of professional motocross riders. After that, you bargain with Feld and MX Sports to form "partnerships" with more equitable purses, health insurance, retirement plans, etc. Ultimately, you may have to start competing series in different venues to get the attention of Feld, etc like the AFL, the PBR and many others were forced to do. The riders need to become at least part owners of their own series and events, or have enough unity to force the promoters to give them a larger share of the pie.

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