PingrPingree on Feld - "teams are being bled from every angle"

DA498 wrote:

As a core fan, I don't want a show, I want a race event. I feel SX was invented to introduce the general public to our...

As a core fan, I don't want a show, I want a race event. I feel SX was invented to introduce the general public to our outdoor hero's and how cool our sport is. Over time it has turned into its own entity (show) . Now what? Do we embrace it as a show and move in that direction? Its hard for me.
Now I see trends in the outdoors leading to a show mentality with many of the same issues we are talking about here. I think that MX / SX is too small in the grand scheme of things to ever get the interest we all hope for.
Teams may need to recognize the realities and adjust to them.

151 wrote:

I agree with your statement "in its current form". That was sort of my entire point. Who can say how rodeo would be percieved these days...

I agree with your statement "in its current form".

That was sort of my entire point. Who can say how rodeo would be percieved these days had the riders not taken over from promoters in 1936.

The deal is PBR and PRCA are run for the sport and riders by the sport and riders.

Any organization putting on a show is going to try to make money. The question is where do we want that profit reinvested. Should a monster truck and ice skating company choose how and where to reinvest profits, or would it be better spent by riders and people whose main interest is dirtbike racing?

No one can really fault Feld. Their business is not to make SX the best sport it can be. They do what they do and maybe they are good at it.

But, a series run by riders or former riders and structured for the long term best interest of the sport seems like an obvious best choice.

That said, there are some significant differences between bull riding and MX. First and most obvious they don't have to buy the bull.

Here is some more intersting info

With his domination of the Professional Bull Riders (PBR) 2005 PBR Built Ford Tough Series (BFTS) presented by Wrangler season and capture of the 2005 PBR World Championship title, Justin McBride. became the second bull rider in PBR history to surpass the $2.5 million career earnings mark. The $1,519,631 he won during the 2005 BFTS season is a PBR record for season earnings. In fact, the 2005 BFTS season produced the highest money earners in the history of the PBR; every top 20 bull rider won virtually $100,000.
Source: http://www.pbrnow.com/release/?id=1924


"Starting at semi-pro, the top earner made $26,000
At the second from top-level: the top earner earned $238,000
At the premiere level: the Professional Bull Riders (PBR), the top annual earnings last year was over $460,000...and then the top-earner gets a $1,000,000 bonus (1.4 million total)."tal)."

http://www.pbr.com/en/news/press-releases/2010/1/pbr-to-surpass-$100-mi…

GuyB wrote:

Just as an FYI, the last link you posted was from 2010, and featured Randy Bernard, who ran the PBR at the time. He became the...

Just as an FYI, the last link you posted was from 2010, and featured Randy Bernard, who ran the PBR at the time. He became the CEO of Indycar, and was bumped out of that spot recently after dissent from the teams and the Indy board of directors. The correlation between how PBR does things and translating to motorsports might not be as strong as you'd hope.

motokiwi wrote:

SX has a name and face to blame it on, Dave Prater, Director of supercross for Feld motor sports. According to jt$ hes one of the...

SX has a name and face to blame it on, Dave Prater, Director of supercross for Feld motor sports.
According to jt$ hes one of the good guys... however he runs the show...
The show that does not pay the talent adequately, does not give teams exposure, over emphasizes their main sponsor so much that it becomes a giant monster energy advertisement first and foremost with some racing in between.

GuyB wrote:

Yeah, I saw you call out Dave the other day. Have you met Dave? Talked to him? Know what he's all about? Yeah, I didn't think...

Yeah, I saw you call out Dave the other day. Have you met Dave? Talked to him? Know what he's all about? Yeah, I didn't think so.

BobbyM wrote:

guy is moto and a really good dude no matter what the corp. is about.

BobbyM wrote:

Lotta peeps without a clue trying to solve a murder mystery. Presumptuous assumptions and jumping to conclusions is off the charts at the place.

DrSweden wrote:

Some serious typing going on here, this guy is portrayed both as Satan and Jesus in the same tread! Impressive! Either way, maybe we could all...

Some serious typing going on here, this guy is portrayed both as Satan and Jesus in the same tread! Impressive! Either way, maybe we could all agre has a nice watch at least!

willie838 wrote:

i'm sure that dave and feld are secretly sabotaging the sport. they're clearly hoping to bankrupt all the teams and major players while hiding sx away...

i'm sure that dave and feld are secretly sabotaging the sport.

they're clearly hoping to bankrupt all the teams and major players while hiding sx away in a back corner, since they stand to gain NOTHING if they can increase the value of the entire industry.

probably lighting cigars with hundreds those fat cats.

god this fucking place.

BobbyM wrote:

Lotta peeps without a clue trying to solve a murder mystery. Presumptuous assumptions and jumping to conclusions is off the charts at the place.

ocscottie wrote:

Bobby, chk yer yahoo email, sent you a story about some really wild amputee stuff!! Made me think of you.

GuyB wrote:

The thing that weirds me out these days is that people used to be able to come up with a common sense argument that would make...

The thing that weirds me out these days is that people used to be able to come up with a common sense argument that would make people go, "Huh...I didn't think of it that way. Maybe there is another side to this." But now everyone seems to think there's always an ulterior motive, or some deep dark secret, and prefer digging in their heels for a fight. They'll also eager to believe kooky conspiracy theories, etc. It doesn't matter what the topic is. Maybe that's a downside to all the social sharing that goes on now.

GuyB wrote:

The thing that weirds me out these days is that people used to be able to come up with a common sense argument that would make...

The thing that weirds me out these days is that people used to be able to come up with a common sense argument that would make people go, "Huh...I didn't think of it that way. Maybe there is another side to this." But now everyone seems to think there's always an ulterior motive, or some deep dark secret, and prefer digging in their heels for a fight. They'll also eager to believe kooky conspiracy theories, etc. It doesn't matter what the topic is. Maybe that's a downside to all the social sharing that goes on now.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

That and people confuse cynicism with critical thinking and intelligence. All the social media sharing that goes on now bears out that the former certainly is...

That and people confuse cynicism with critical thinking and intelligence. All the social media sharing that goes on now bears out that the former certainly is easier to pull off than the latter.

GuyB wrote:

Yeah, I saw you call out Dave the other day. Have you met Dave? Talked to him? Know what he's all about? Yeah, I didn't think...

Yeah, I saw you call out Dave the other day. Have you met Dave? Talked to him? Know what he's all about? Yeah, I didn't think so.

BobbyM wrote:

guy is moto and a really good dude no matter what the corp. is about.

Sr_Vet_Rider wrote:

AGREED

Brad Nemeth wrote:

A lot of people forget that MX and SX are relatively new when you compare it to other big time pro sports. Especially supercross. Look at...

A lot of people forget that MX and SX are relatively new when you compare it to other big time pro sports. Especially supercross. Look at basketball for example. Leagues and teams have come and gone over the years. My point is though, that baseball, basketball, football, hockey and even auto racing have like what? 50 or 60 years at least of growth and history ahead of motocross. That's a long time.

What will SX be in 50 years? Could be the biggest sport on the planet.

DrSweden wrote:

Some serious typing going on here, this guy is portrayed both as Satan and Jesus in the same tread! Impressive! Either way, maybe we could all...

Some serious typing going on here, this guy is portrayed both as Satan and Jesus in the same tread! Impressive! Either way, maybe we could all agre has a nice watch at least!

willie838 wrote:

i'm sure that dave and feld are secretly sabotaging the sport. they're clearly hoping to bankrupt all the teams and major players while hiding sx away...

i'm sure that dave and feld are secretly sabotaging the sport.

they're clearly hoping to bankrupt all the teams and major players while hiding sx away in a back corner, since they stand to gain NOTHING if they can increase the value of the entire industry.

probably lighting cigars with hundreds those fat cats.

god this fucking place.

GuyB wrote:

The thing that weirds me out these days is that people used to be able to come up with a common sense argument that would make...

The thing that weirds me out these days is that people used to be able to come up with a common sense argument that would make people go, "Huh...I didn't think of it that way. Maybe there is another side to this." But now everyone seems to think there's always an ulterior motive, or some deep dark secret, and prefer digging in their heels for a fight. They'll also eager to believe kooky conspiracy theories, etc. It doesn't matter what the topic is. Maybe that's a downside to all the social sharing that goes on now.

Hut wrote:

I don't know anything about promoting a professional racing series but that is one fine submariner.
I have the poor boy version from Wenger.

AHRMA361 wrote:

I am amazed at the lack of business knowledge on ROI by those that go straight to the $ someone/ or company has and injecting their...

I am amazed at the lack of business knowledge on ROI by those that go straight to the $ someone/ or company has and injecting their thoughts on where/how much of it should be spent......

Top of the food chain in my work world is Warren Buffet and he can (and does) buy and sell businesses on a very large or small scale......

he would not put one dime into supercross..........

just be glad somebody is willing to market supercross........

FreshTopEnd wrote:

The boards always deal in Angels and Demons, never that good people are doing their best, and that there are a lot of competing interests that...

The boards always deal in Angels and Demons, never that good people are doing their best, and that there are a lot of competing interests that don't always knit together easily or tightly.

I think that one thing for sure about this pretty small sport is that the tipping point when it's not worth it has a pretty steep drop off without a lot of alternatives. It's true for riders, and for teams, and also for Feld and MXSports and Youthstream. The promoters need to maintain viable businesses, which requires a lot of up front expense, but they cannot do that in the long run apart from creating a platform for the teams and riders to sustain their programs, if not have those programs thrive, in good and bad economic times. If a promoter cannot accomplish both, then the thing will collapse; the promoter will not have riders, or the riders won't have a promoter staging events that make the riders relevant.