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Jabjr222 8/4/2008 4:47pm
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what joo do lately you spode? xgames are badass....worth more than you know.
BobbyM, what was that question there???
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Just got this info in:

"....the Nielsen Audience is currently at more than 16 million! Absolutely incredible tune-in figures for a 2 1/2 day period."

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BobbyM wrote:
what joo do lately you spode? xgames are badass....worth more than you know.
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BobbyM, what was that question there???
what did you do= what joo do
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Incredible figures for a one off race, for the most part. Those are huge numbers and dwarf anything outdoor moto or even SX can come close to.

But again, that's not my point for this post... If it meant something, the factories would have the big boys there, period. It doesn't so you have Hansen winning with retired MC in second. Yes, lots of eyes were watching and increased exposure is hugely important... but come on, anybody out there, would you rather have an X games gold or a 450 Outdoor Championship? The answer to that question should tell you which is more important.

Also, from a marketing perspective, what would companies, motorcycle oriented companies, get out of the X Games? All the eyes in the world won't make a difference if they don't buy your products. The OE's might stimulate a little interest but what would the endemic sponsors get out of it? Is Pro Circuit going to sell a pipe to some kid that will never do anything other ride a skateboard in his driveway? Is Merge going to sell a leak jet kit to the mom who sat down and watched it with her kids (before deciding that there is no way her kids will ever get a motorcycle after watching those "idiots")?

Its not all about the eyes but also about the quality of audience.

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Jabjr222 8/4/2008 5:09pm
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what did you do= what joo do
What did I do lately? nothing more than sit around and try to create conversation about this topic... So, yeah, they are doing a lot more than me. I just think it is an interesting argument.
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Where can i get a troy lee graphics kit for a honda crf450?
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I don't know what it means to the factories but I have an idea what it means to the riders.

Doug Henry said that the check he got for winning the 05 Supermoto Gold was the single largest check he ever got for racing.

Oh crap I just dropped a name....so sorry
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would it be better if I just said someone I know, is that what you want ?? ok you win asshole
For what its worth I like it when you or the old slo dude say who you are talking about, if I had a complant its when you tell a story about someone and NOT say who you are talking about.


A lot of the people you are talking about were my childhood hero's.
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CRF122 8/4/2008 5:32pm
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What was that gear jerry mcgrath was wearing? Thor ? or something like that? tell me where to get that too. thanks "....the Nielsen Audience is currently at more than 16 million! Absolutely incredible tune-in figures for a 2 1/2 day period." yeah probably not that effective from a Marketing perspecitveWhistling
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Hmm I called Erik Kehoe last week and he said he was going to the X-Games as the Team Manager for Honda, it is pretty important...
Hmm I called Erik Kehoe last week and he said he was going to the X-Games as the Team Manager for Honda, it is pretty important in the industry's eyes, brings in huge TV numbers and gets played all year long until the next x-games comes back, and if you ask the riders they think of their gold silver or bronze medals very highly, also the way the riders are treated at x-games is top notch as far as the athletes lounge etc

MC based his sx after the x-games, he liked how he was treated as a rider, and the show was built around them.

You say no disrespect to the riders in your post but in fact you are disrespecting them, all those riders are top notch riders, MC included, just because he's retired doesn't mean he can't lap you any day of the week and he made sure the rest of those riders knew he wasn't over !

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You just can't post without droppin someones name, can you?
sondra isn't just some name dropper, she put in a name so her post would have more credibility. she doesn't need to name drop, she has more knowledge about MX in her little finger the you have in your whole body. trust me, sondra knows MX!
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Get invited to compete in the X-Games, and you will have a better understanding of what it means to the athletes, and the support crews to be competing at the X-Games! As for the industry growth potential, this is not the only game in town, however it is the best resource for mass widespread awareness through television coverage to both the currently involved, and non-involved consumer market. It is not only about whether or not the audience will buy motocross bikes, or hard parts products, there are many fans of the sport that will now be more enticed to come out to, and spend money at a local SX, or MX race having seen the sport in their living room. Some of these new fans may have shown up to the event, or tuned in to the X-Games due to their prior involvement, or interest in another sport (skate boarding, bicycling, etc.) that we do not offer at SX, or MX events. The cross promotional value, and ability to encourage new consumers, or enthusiasts is hard to parallel elsewhere.

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Yep, drop the worthless ama motocross and supercross series and let the riders focus on premier events like the espn x games. Yeah thats what this sport needs.

Fuck the x games. Please leave our underground sport the hell alone. We were all better off 20 years ago. The riders were better. They trained their brains out. The works bikes were something to see. The pits were cool. The box vans were cool. The tracks were rough. You could see the outdoor tracks because they were not blocked by never ending banners, SX had over/unders, bowl turns, and went up into the stands. We could all buy new bikes every year, etc.

This sport has nothing to gain and everything to lose by going mainstream.

Please, I beg you, someone please come up with an idea for amature track insurance nation wide so we can eliminate the ama sanctioned classes and get back to the day when anyone could participate in this sport.

I have watched 3 kids get paralyzed this season moving up from the 80cc class to lites C class on 250 two strokes. How the motherfuck can the ama (protecting your right to ride) promote this debacle?

Sorry for the rant.

Back to the subject. If MC thinks he just raced the "best riders in the world" like he said in his interview he has lost touch of reality. If lawrence and hill take last and second to last they shamed the entire motocross community.

The x games do matter. Just not in the true relm of the sport of motocross. Ask Roger Decoster and I think you will get the same answer.


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BobbyM 8/4/2008 5:49pm
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jndmx wrote:
I don't know what it means to the factories but I have an idea what it means to the riders. Doug Henry said that the check...
I don't know what it means to the factories but I have an idea what it means to the riders.

Doug Henry said that the check he got for winning the 05 Supermoto Gold was the single largest check he ever got for racing.

Oh crap I just dropped a name....so sorry
follow the money..racers ain't no different now are they? hell yea it means a lot.
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So if the X-games is so prestigious,why was the track so shitty?. We have county fair races that are much nicer than that was, minus the stupid metal ramp.
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I don't get this whole argument. All I keep reading about is how mx needs to be more mainstream. The argument has been made mx needs a better TV package, better marketing, better insight to the riders personal lives, live TV. Well X-Games delivered on all those. Why are people saying it doesn't mean anything? If the whole point of DC taking over the natonals was to get national live TV coverage, and that was going to turn the whole scene around, well X Games accomplishes that every year. I'm guessing here, but I think more kids will get turned on to wanting a mx bike watching X Games on one weekend that the whole sx/mx series does all year.
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Trip wrote:
I don't get this whole argument. All I keep reading about is how mx needs to be more mainstream. The argument has been made mx needs...
I don't get this whole argument. All I keep reading about is how mx needs to be more mainstream. The argument has been made mx needs a better TV package, better marketing, better insight to the riders personal lives, live TV. Well X-Games delivered on all those. Why are people saying it doesn't mean anything? If the whole point of DC taking over the natonals was to get national live TV coverage, and that was going to turn the whole scene around, well X Games accomplishes that every year. I'm guessing here, but I think more kids will get turned on to wanting a mx bike watching X Games on one weekend that the whole sx/mx series does all year.
it's really not an argument, it's fact. Exposure = interest = $ = more exposure .= more... you get the point
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todder wrote:
So if the X-games is so prestigious,why was the track so shitty?. We have county fair races that are much nicer than that was, minus the...
So if the X-games is so prestigious,why was the track so shitty?. We have county fair races that are much nicer than that was, minus the stupid metal ramp.
Stupid metal ramp? How many riders did you talk to that said the metal ramp was stupid? You may of not liked it, but you didn't have to race either. From all I have heard, the riders actually like the metal ramp.
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I'm surprised that the US Open hasn't been brought up. The richest one off race vs the most exposure one off race vs the series.

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todder wrote:
I'm surprised that the US Open hasn't been brought up. The richest one off race vs the most exposure one off race vs the series.
most people in forums are to stupid to realise this is a business NOT a competition for $6 trophys!
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The ramp was legit, huge, and everyone that hucked it seemed to love it!

The track was confined due to the multiple events utilizing the same space, however I have not been to many local county fair ground race tracks that had real SX triples, and a flow like that track had. The maintenance was a little unpredictable, with every day being different from tacky, to muddy, to dry blue groove? The mains needed some help on track prep for sure. But the track had potential!
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Sondy132001 wrote:
Hmm I called Erik Kehoe last week and he said he was going to the X-Games as the Team Manager for Honda, it is pretty important...
Hmm I called Erik Kehoe last week and he said he was going to the X-Games as the Team Manager for Honda, it is pretty important in the industry's eyes, brings in huge TV numbers and gets played all year long until the next x-games comes back, and if you ask the riders they think of their gold silver or bronze medals very highly, also the way the riders are treated at x-games is top notch as far as the athletes lounge etc

MC based his sx after the x-games, he liked how he was treated as a rider, and the show was built around them.

You say no disrespect to the riders in your post but in fact you are disrespecting them, all those riders are top notch riders, MC included, just because he's retired doesn't mean he can't lap you any day of the week and he made sure the rest of those riders knew he wasn't over !

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You just can't post without droppin someones name, can you?
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sondra isn't just some name dropper, she put in a name so her post would have more credibility. she doesn't need to name drop, she has...
sondra isn't just some name dropper, she put in a name so her post would have more credibility. she doesn't need to name drop, she has more knowledge about MX in her little finger the you have in your whole body. trust me, sondra knows MX!
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X Games meant something to me! Smile





Thanks for the pics Homey!

I bet the X Games meant something to Bo. I thought he was going to beat Ricky James in the main. Bo is fast!! He's really cool too. Ricky was pretty excited about X as well. He really wanted to step it up and bust out bigger doubles but he did the smart thing and rhode within his limits.

As a racer in many different professional series and events, I have never been treated so well by the staff.

Oh, and don't mess with Sondra! She knows everybody, and deserves respect for what she (and her family) has done for the sport of motocross. I think it's super cool to have some well connected people on here who don't spin facts, slo-pro comes to mind pretty quickly. If some of you keep pushing buttons, those people will stop posting and then we all lose.

Then again, what do I know...I have a low post count. Smile
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Right on Chris

I guess it does mean something eh ?

it has it's place and so does the SX and National Series.
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ridge wrote:
X Games meant something to me! :) [IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c138/EMIEVEL/2008%20X%20GAMES/_G4F4464.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c138/EMIEVEL/2008%20X%20GAMES/_G4F48512.jpg[/IMG] Thanks for the pics Homey! I bet the X Games meant something to Bo. I thought he...
X Games meant something to me! Smile





Thanks for the pics Homey!

I bet the X Games meant something to Bo. I thought he was going to beat Ricky James in the main. Bo is fast!! He's really cool too. Ricky was pretty excited about X as well. He really wanted to step it up and bust out bigger doubles but he did the smart thing and rhode within his limits.

As a racer in many different professional series and events, I have never been treated so well by the staff.

Oh, and don't mess with Sondra! She knows everybody, and deserves respect for what she (and her family) has done for the sport of motocross. I think it's super cool to have some well connected people on here who don't spin facts, slo-pro comes to mind pretty quickly. If some of you keep pushing buttons, those people will stop posting and then we all lose.

Then again, what do I know...I have a low post count. Smile
Really, what she and her family have done for the sport, huh. So exactly what has she done for the sport of MX in my area. Why should I respect anything she has done for the sport that would have affected me in say the last 15 years. Fill me in and maybe I'll owe an apology.
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crowe176 8/4/2008 7:09pm
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Who should I send my $30 to? This thread is so vital-wood.





You're a bad ass Chris, wish I could have made it over to Baja..
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Who should I send my $30 to? This thread is so vital-wood.





You're a bad ass Chris, wish I could have made it over to Baja..
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They were not there because they don't have it in their contract and their insurance doesn't cover them for these types of events. Not to mention you don't do these events when you are 1 race away from winning a title.

I can tell you Sondra and myself seldom see eye to eye but she is at the track every week and has been since we were kids, Ridge is right she deserves to be respected for her work in the industry.
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prior contractual obligations. The better question would be if the current series is so important to the industry where is Chad Reed or Kevin Windham? Or maybe why is there a chance Stewart not be racing nationals next year?
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CRF122 8/4/2008 7:36pm
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I'm personally a huge fan of the nationals and sx series, however, without exposure (hate to keep using that word) those kids aren't going to see Bubba smoking everyone on his green bike. Espn is on to something with this X thing. The TV ratings are ridiculous, the OEMS are taking note i'm sure.
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The AMA could learn from the X games,Just look at the TV time X games had, Hell we get a 60 minute tv show for each class,With about 30 minutes of that being actual racing.

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