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Women's racing is cool! Good competition is always fun at any level to me. And a side benifit is i get to cheer for Mariana when i am in Brasil and any one of the many US riders when i am hereSmile its all good!
7/29/2008 4:51pm
before I bruised my liver last year I was thinking about qualifying for nationals. Some of my friends who travel the circuit have been on practice...
before I bruised my liver last year I was thinking about qualifying for nationals.

Some of my friends who travel the circuit have been on practice tracks with those women and said yes they are fast, but a quick b rider pace.

and the bulldozer marks which were all over the one I caught on TV were real. I never saw any of them hit a major breaking bump. and yes Folek was going quite quick, but not quick enough to solidly clear the finish line double. Granted it was tricky, but she never cleared it all the way. I might have it Tivo'd..

the women are great and pretty quick, but hype is hype is hype. Also here is a lesson in statistical analysis for those making up percentages. Since more men ride, you get a larger representative sample of the population which seems to make the women look even better. However with a larger portion of the population you are bound to get more and more riders who are not serious racer and ride tracks for fun, while the majority of WMA riders are seriously attacking the track trying to get better. For example, You see 10 guys out jogging at a running track, and there is a female sprinter and a female distance runner there. Odds are the women are going to go much faster then the men because they are not typical of the average running population, but the men however are...The average serious racer who is male is typically faster than the serious female racer and that is supported by the results.
mxer146 wrote:
Again, what finish line double?
It was in the first few rounds, if it is still on my Tivo thingy I will let you know. It was a difficult double to clear, The landing was slightly higher than the take off so calling it a step up does not describe it perfectly. And that track was perfectly groomed. I will try to find it, but it might have got erased already.
7/29/2008 4:53pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:49pm
Washougal was my first chance to see a WMA race in person and I am extremely impressed. I've always heard people refer to their speed as...
Washougal was my first chance to see a WMA race in person and I am extremely impressed. I've always heard people refer to their speed as B class at best, and those people are wrong. The girls at the front ran lap times that were equal to the guys who were in the Lites Consolation that didn't qualify to race on Sunday.

The other thing I want to say is that Jessica Patterson deserves a lot more respect that she gets. She is just as fast as Ashley and clearly doesn't want to give away her #1 plate. After seeing the crowd cheer when she went down while leading the first moto, I was pumped to see her take the second moto and the overall.
Oh is this a race, NO I am talking about racing, Read my posts I acknowledge that many of them can do great things on a bike, just as some women can dunk a basketball, but during the games it rarely happens. Jeez think before you post, I will pull up a pic of myself, but keep in mind I do not have pro photographers.
How do I post pics? in the thread? Better yet just go to my profile and look through the pictures I have uploaded, some of them are whips. I will try to load more tomorrow. I can lay a bike flat and just for the record.
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7/29/2008 4:54pm
before I bruised my liver last year I was thinking about qualifying for nationals. Some of my friends who travel the circuit have been on practice...
before I bruised my liver last year I was thinking about qualifying for nationals.

Some of my friends who travel the circuit have been on practice tracks with those women and said yes they are fast, but a quick b rider pace.

and the bulldozer marks which were all over the one I caught on TV were real. I never saw any of them hit a major breaking bump. and yes Folek was going quite quick, but not quick enough to solidly clear the finish line double. Granted it was tricky, but she never cleared it all the way. I might have it Tivo'd..

the women are great and pretty quick, but hype is hype is hype. Also here is a lesson in statistical analysis for those making up percentages. Since more men ride, you get a larger representative sample of the population which seems to make the women look even better. However with a larger portion of the population you are bound to get more and more riders who are not serious racer and ride tracks for fun, while the majority of WMA riders are seriously attacking the track trying to get better. For example, You see 10 guys out jogging at a running track, and there is a female sprinter and a female distance runner there. Odds are the women are going to go much faster then the men because they are not typical of the average running population, but the men however are...The average serious racer who is male is typically faster than the serious female racer and that is supported by the results.
mxer146 wrote:
Again, what finish line double?
It was in the first few rounds, if it is still on my Tivo thingy I will let you know. It was a difficult double to...
It was in the first few rounds, if it is still on my Tivo thingy I will let you know. It was a difficult double to clear, The landing was slightly higher than the take off so calling it a step up does not describe it perfectly. And that track was perfectly groomed. I will try to find it, but it might have got erased already.
I think you're talking about Colorado. It was out of a corner up hill, but keep in mind they are on 250f's. The guys in the back of the pack were having trouble clearing it also.

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7/29/2008 5:01pm
Oh is this a race, NO I am talking about racing, Read my posts I acknowledge that many of them can do great things on a...
Oh is this a race, NO I am talking about racing, Read my posts I acknowledge that many of them can do great things on a bike, just as some women can dunk a basketball, but during the games it rarely happens. Jeez think before you post, I will pull up a pic of myself, but keep in mind I do not have pro photographers.
How do I post pics? in the thread? Better yet just go to my profile and look through the pictures I have uploaded, some of them are whips. I will try to load more tomorrow. I can lay a bike flat and just for the record.
I'm just trying to put it in perspective for you, compared to Villo they are slow but compared to us they haul ass and you can't compare them to the WNBA.

To post a pick you need to upload them on photobucket or something.

I know Whitmore has qualified for a Canadian National and ran in the Men's class. I know it's Canada but hey.
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7/29/2008 5:05pm
That sounds like the finish line at Hangtown.
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7/29/2008 5:08pm
GuyB wrote:
That sounds like the finish line at Hangtown.
Guy,
I believe you had a picture of Ashley whipping that downhill double into the gulley at Lakewood???
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7/29/2008 5:10pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:49pm
Be careful with your racing, Transientthought. You could also get a wicked hangnail, or maybe even sprain an earlobe muscle.


You might be better off sitting on the couch, watching TV. But whatever you don't, don't watch the X Games. There will be women racing there.
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Nice job on the earthquake, Darkmane

That was sweet
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7/29/2008 5:14pm Edited Date/Time 7/29/2008 5:14pm
Thank you. Some of my finest work, if I do say so myself.

It's nice always nice to see what you can do with a bad attitude, lots of evil henchmen, and a blowdryer.
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I am almost never PC and I have to say the women race on track so smooth and groomed it is ridiculous and they only race...
I am almost never PC and I have to say the women race on track so smooth and groomed it is ridiculous and they only race for 15 minutes. That is so little time and as for the comment about them being as fast as the guys in the lites consolation, I saw one of their highlights on TV and Folek was not even clearing the finish line step up double.
It is like watching WNBA. It is just not as exciting.

I am sure those women work hard, but saying they are getting the attention they deserve is a bit of a stretch. I have not seen to many finish line whips from one of them just like dunking in the WNBA. It is not about them being female, it is about generating excitement when they are on the track and frankly it is rather boring. It is only exciting if you dwell on the fact they are women which in a way is condecending.
superglue wrote:
For someone with your supposed educational background, that is the most ignorant comment I think I have ever seen on any board. Typical psychologist, stating their...
For someone with your supposed educational background, that is the most ignorant comment I think I have ever seen on any board. Typical psychologist, stating their "fact" on something they know nothing about. Being that you hail from Ohio I will assume that you have never been to a WMA race, so, if you are going to base your transientthought on the 2 minutes coverage that you get off the T.V. broadcast, you really need to be more well informed. Let me help. The girls race on the roughest track of the weekend with only one 15 minute practice, they then race again the next day on a changed track with NO practice, only a sight lap. Meanwhile the boys get two 20 min. sessions on Sat. and two more on Sunday. If Ashleys time are close to qualifying with that, how do you think she'd do with all that practice? The girls "ONLY" race 15 minutes because that is what the AMA, in their infinite wisdom, have decided is all they deserve, all the while they are screaming for the same schedule the boys have. Basing your "not as exciting" comment on the fact that they don't throw finish line whips. There really is a lot more exciting things in MX than that. Maybe you should save your transientthoughts for FMX and X Games. From the inside, I know personally how hard these girls work to do what they are capable of doing, and to say that they don't deserve the attention they are getting is ignorant at best. Let me remind you that Ashley won a moto with a BROKEN wrist and placed second in the other. Where have Tedesco, Townley, Millsaps and the other riders been? In fact, where have you been when your races have come to town? Oh, that's right, "hurt". True champions ride through the pain! That goes for males and females. Before you get all upset at me, let me leave you with this..... :-).
I also mentioned the whips, scrubs and tricks that some riders throw down during practice as well. Those are exciting, and all but missing from WMA...
I also mentioned the whips, scrubs and tricks that some riders throw down during practice as well. Those are exciting, and all but missing from WMA, I am sure some of them have the skill, I am just saying when you see Josh Grant Rampage a jump face with his bike sliding sideways off it it is exciting. I have not witnessed this in my sample of WMA races I have viewed and I will admit it is difficult for me to access those races in person, but I have seen those women ride before in person expecially at LL. Here is lesson in argumentation that I will give you sinse you obviously read my profile which I wrote (many people do not want to fill it out his or her profile or they would be attacked just like me). When an argument deviates from the topic at hand and starts to make character attacks (i.e. the educational / ignorant remark) the person who is abasing the other in a negative manner becomes less effective.

And yes I have been hurt. There has been damage to my liver and thyroid which has been ongoing for the past year and a half. I have raced with broken bones, I have raced with torn muscles. I even won a GNCC when I raced the B class with a 3rd degree separation of my shoulder (placing (in the 40's overall), I have raced and had good results even though my wrist is still technically broken for the past 6 years. Do not question my toughness, I have rode through concusssios because I needed the results to get sponsors upcoming seasons, I have left school traveled non stop and raced without sleep. I have raced with a bruised lung. I have cartwheeled my bike so violently I recieved emails of people who thought I had passed away. So please lay off the character attacks. We are all riders and we all know pain.
So we have to lay off your character attack but its o.k. for you to attack the character of these girls who are out laying their life on the line doing what they love for NO money, and NO respect from you?
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7/29/2008 5:21pm
Again, gotta agree with supergoo
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flarider wrote:
Again, gotta agree with supergoo
Hey! I resemble that remark!
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To answer some more of your questions.

How many women have qualified for a mens nat. ? The answer is 1. Unless you count Tarah Geiger beating 15 guys last year at the MXDN then that would be 2.

As for your other question. Last year the AMA allowed the WMA a few 20 minute plus 1 lap races.

If you would like to be taken seriously then you need to stop comparing them to the top riders in the 450 class.
Another problem is you say that they are not exciting because they don't whip it or do tricks during the race. But then again neither does James, Ferry, Short, Villy or any of the other top guys. They will play in practice or once in a great while on the last lap. Then maybe a whip and thats all.
You must be thinking of SX not MX.

You can't say they are not exciting to watch then claim because they are not James Stewart. It doesn't work like that and I should not have to explain that point to you.

Every one of your references claim they are not as good as the top level men. you need to stop comparing them to men and let it go.

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catatonic wrote:
I think its her attitude more than her ability that makes people boo her.
bingo... im all for the WMA series its great that the women are finally getting the attention they deserve and the racing is really good... also...
bingo... im all for the WMA series its great that the women are finally getting the attention they deserve and the racing is really good... also JP$ has won the championship for so long that folks are excited that Ashley is making her actually work for it this year. GO ASHLEY!!!! but seriously JP is a great rider but yes after her tyrate last year and her boyfriends protests this year, im less of a fan....
Sorry to interrupt this awesome debate, but rockcrawler, care to elaborate on JP's protests? I was just curious, cause I don't remember hearing anything about it. . .
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I am almost never PC and I have to say the women race on track so smooth and groomed it is ridiculous and they only race...
I am almost never PC and I have to say the women race on track so smooth and groomed it is ridiculous and they only race for 15 minutes. That is so little time and as for the comment about them being as fast as the guys in the lites consolation, I saw one of their highlights on TV and Folek was not even clearing the finish line step up double.
It is like watching WNBA. It is just not as exciting.

I am sure those women work hard, but saying they are getting the attention they deserve is a bit of a stretch. I have not seen to many finish line whips from one of them just like dunking in the WNBA. It is not about them being female, it is about generating excitement when they are on the track and frankly it is rather boring. It is only exciting if you dwell on the fact they are women which in a way is condecending.
superglue wrote:
For someone with your supposed educational background, that is the most ignorant comment I think I have ever seen on any board. Typical psychologist, stating their...
For someone with your supposed educational background, that is the most ignorant comment I think I have ever seen on any board. Typical psychologist, stating their "fact" on something they know nothing about. Being that you hail from Ohio I will assume that you have never been to a WMA race, so, if you are going to base your transientthought on the 2 minutes coverage that you get off the T.V. broadcast, you really need to be more well informed. Let me help. The girls race on the roughest track of the weekend with only one 15 minute practice, they then race again the next day on a changed track with NO practice, only a sight lap. Meanwhile the boys get two 20 min. sessions on Sat. and two more on Sunday. If Ashleys time are close to qualifying with that, how do you think she'd do with all that practice? The girls "ONLY" race 15 minutes because that is what the AMA, in their infinite wisdom, have decided is all they deserve, all the while they are screaming for the same schedule the boys have. Basing your "not as exciting" comment on the fact that they don't throw finish line whips. There really is a lot more exciting things in MX than that. Maybe you should save your transientthoughts for FMX and X Games. From the inside, I know personally how hard these girls work to do what they are capable of doing, and to say that they don't deserve the attention they are getting is ignorant at best. Let me remind you that Ashley won a moto with a BROKEN wrist and placed second in the other. Where have Tedesco, Townley, Millsaps and the other riders been? In fact, where have you been when your races have come to town? Oh, that's right, "hurt". True champions ride through the pain! That goes for males and females. Before you get all upset at me, let me leave you with this..... :-).
the women are great and pretty quick, but hype is hype is hype. Also here is a lesson in statistical analysis for those making up percentages...
the women are great and pretty quick, but hype is hype is hype. Also here is a lesson in statistical analysis for those making up percentages. Since more men ride, you get a larger representative sample of the population which seems to make the women look even better. However with a larger portion of the population you are bound to get more and more riders who are not serious racer and ride tracks for fun, while the majority of WMA riders are seriously attacking the track trying to get better. For example, You see 10 guys out jogging at a running track, and there is a female sprinter and a female distance runner there. Odds are the women are going to go much faster then the men because they are not typical of the average running population, but the men however are...The average serious racer who is male is typically faster than the serious female racer and that is supported by the results.

If you brought out more average female rides you would see the average male rider would most likely be quicker as well.
Did you not get to see any of lakewood (thuder valley)...the woman were railing there, and had style!

There is a double step on after a down hill double there...and the top five were throwin it side ways over that!

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You have to see the girls race to really appreciate how hard they go at it, not on tv, but trackside. imo, they are more aggressive then most pro men racers.

I doubt any of the WMA riders have factory bikes yet, expectations of what obstacles they can clear should be tempered as such.

I've met JP$ a few times, and find her more shy than anything, not even a hint of elitism.

Ashley is something special for sure, watching her ride a 125 was damn impressive, not just as a chick but as a rider, she hauls the mail.

I don't know if the fems are ever going to light the Pro MX/SX world on fire, but I'm pretty stoked they dig moto, wish there were as many of them into it back in the day as there are now.
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Got to chime in here. So STFB...

Before anything Mr. Thought... I take it when you have kids and they are in high school basketball you won't go to see them play. I mean, how many high school games do you see a dunk taken from a leap taken at the foul line (Jordan) or a behind the head pass into the lane (ala Magic) during the regular High School season? Uh.. None! So, using your logic, the games they play should not be praised or held in any high esteme because they simply can not shoot with the best of the NBA. Hmmm.

My daughter races 85 12-14. She started riding early 2006 on a Honda 70 and by late 2006 (Nov), after suffering a torn ACL and knee surgery, she wanted to try racing. We put her on the track on her 70 to see if she would like it and she raced against 65 First Timers. There were 6 in the race and she came in 3rd. She caught the bug.

A short 18 months later.... Now, just watch her ride and then tell me she is not aggressive on a bike. In fact, because of her riding style many of the races she is in are some of the most cheered and watched races of the day. She has had boys try to block pass her, cut her off, jump across her line to keep her from getting past just as they would any other rider. But I wonder how in 18 months of racing she now has over 40 FIRST PLACE trophies and two championship along with 5 nationally recognized sponsors and a local dealer sponsor, if because she is a "girl" as you state that somehow she can't compete!! These trophies are not from "girl" races either. She is not "fast for a girl"... she is fast for her age and her experience level. I see my daughter slide both front and rear into a corner as she tries to carry as much speed as possible before braking, catch the rut and throttle out. Are you backing your bike into corners? Front and rear? Did you do it when you were 12? Maybe you did, but I dont see many "boys" in her class doing it. My daughter out rides many "guys" on 250's through whoops and through corners. Given the same age and time on the bike, my GIRL, will rarely be beat... by boy or girl.

Your comments are a cut to women in general. The race they broadcast live of the women in Colorado on the net was a better race than all four of the men's races that day. The leaders were tightly grouped and pushing each other. The lead changed and second place was fought for in all 15 Plus 2. Another thing.... The women I have met (Sarah, Tarah, Meika, Tatum and a host of others) have been nothing but the coolest people. Extremely down to earth and very approachable. Meika even rode around with my daughter at a local track and talked to her like she was her best friend. Find many "GUY" pros that will do that. Hell, you would be lucky if they even talk with you. The tracks we go to here in SoCal are frequented by the "pros" and I have yet to see where one of them will pull up next to a kid and give them a pointer or two or go out on the track and ride a couple laps with them.

Just to let you know, my daughter and the other girls out there have to work extra hard just to get noticed, because of people like you THOUGHT. The boys in her races hate when she is out front or when she is moving through the pack from a less than good start. We even had a kid "ghost" his bike on a jump to keep her from passing him. Yep, totally through the bike away because she was passing him over a triple, because he was only doubling it. He let go of the bike and jumped pushing the bike into my daughter in the air. Do you see guys doing that to other guys? This kid got passed by two guys that my daughter was battling with on the first lap trying to make up for a bad first corner. These "girls" have had to ride with many guys on the track where just because they are girls the guys think they can pull extra crap to make them have an accident. Kinda of like your "they get too much attention for what they are" attitude.

I have said this before on this site, but many times the best racing is the race for 10th. I'm sorry, but JS running 4 seconds a lap faster than everyone else on the race track is not an "exciting race" in my book. Don't get me wrong, watching JS on a bike is a sight, but I go to races to watch a race! I can watch JS doing whips on youtube at the practice track if I want to watch "THEATRICS." While at GH this year the best race on the track was for 7th place, plain and simple. The race between Brynes, Hamblin, J Alessi and Wey was the best on the track. 3 seconds separted all four riders for nearly the entire last half of the race. They may be going slower than the leader, but that does not mean that the "racing" is worse!

Ohh... as far as your "groomed" comment goes... KMA! Ask most racers if they would rather ride a freshly groomed track or one that has some lines built in, some ruts already developing and not tractor marks everywhere. My daughter HATES getting on the track just after the tractor pulls off and would rather ride in a 18 inch rut in a tight right-hander any day!! Also, you go out and only get a sighting lap after two moto #1's run by the boys and not even a practice on the day of the race and tell me the track is "groomed" and it is easy! I don't remember seeing the tractor redo the track at any of my kids races just because they knew there was a girl racing in them. If that was the case, just how did my kid cross-rut a jump and cartwheel the bike three times during the CMCs in Nov 2007 while leading the pack by a 1/2 lap, I might add! Oh.. yeah... those ruts were developed during the 4 laps the 85s put in on the track... yeah... thats it!

And hats off to HOMEY... guess "thought" did forget about #68 running the nations last year and putting MANY guys behind her until she had a mechanical!

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well Im gonna go with this. JP$ is one of the nicest people that you could meet actually. I was at freestone running around the pits lookin to get her to sign my race used jersey I haev had of hers for a few years now. I found her after her rough day at Freestone just relaxing in the parking lot away from all the other rigs almost like a weekend warrior type deal. I walk over and asked her to sign my jersey and no hesitation whatsoever and I interrupted basically family time because I wanted an auotgraph but she didnt even hesitate. I didnt even have a pen on me at all and went inside the trailer and found one and took time out to greet me. I will always be a fan of hers no matter and she puts womens motocross on top where its at now
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the WMA moto is a good time to reload on beer and hotdogs. If u r really fast u can get thru the porta pottie line...
the WMA moto is a good time to reload on beer and hotdogs. If u r really fast u can get thru the porta pottie line too.
superglue wrote:
I guess you'd rather watch a parade than a race. That or they make you realize how slow you really are.
yes, i would rather watch the men's parade lap the WMA. Would be more fun to see some of the mini experts go at it in between motos. Also, the last time i actually raced a girl was Mercedes Gonzolas, and I lapped her in a 6 lap race in the 250 intermediate class at Glen Helen. just my opinion
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I just wish his liver or thyroid would die so we don't have to read this shit anymore.

The attention whore thing is getting real stale.
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the WMA moto is a good time to reload on beer and hotdogs. If u r really fast u can get thru the porta pottie line...
the WMA moto is a good time to reload on beer and hotdogs. If u r really fast u can get thru the porta pottie line too.
superglue wrote:
I guess you'd rather watch a parade than a race. That or they make you realize how slow you really are.
yes, i would rather watch the men's parade lap the WMA. Would be more fun to see some of the mini experts go at it in...
yes, i would rather watch the men's parade lap the WMA. Would be more fun to see some of the mini experts go at it in between motos. Also, the last time i actually raced a girl was Mercedes Gonzolas, and I lapped her in a 6 lap race in the 250 intermediate class at Glen Helen. just my opinion
Mercedes Gonzaolas was fast for her time, but the woman have really stepped it up in the past years! I gurantee you could lap #67 or #1 or #68 even if they gave you a half of lap head start.

Quit being so ignorant!
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Rim Lock wrote:
I just wish his liver or thyroid would die so we don't have to read this shit anymore.

The attention whore thing is getting real stale.
I guess he's gone. That was fun. Oh well, add another injury to his list tht will keep him from racing.....his feelings.
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my daughter and i talked to jp at freestone or cycle ranch (don't remember which) a couple years ago and she was very nice to us.
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yes, i would rather watch the men's parade lap the WMA. Would be more fun to see some of the mini experts go at it in...
yes, i would rather watch the men's parade lap the WMA. Would be more fun to see some of the mini experts go at it in between motos. Also, the last time i actually raced a girl was Mercedes Gonzolas, and I lapped her in a 6 lap race in the 250 intermediate class at Glen Helen. just my opinion
I'd like to know when that was.

I'll pull the results, and also see what happened to Mercedes, motorcycle.

So when was it ?
What is your name ?

Let's see if you are telling the truth.

I raced against Mercedes, and she finished right ahead of me, in my defense, I was on a Cagiva.

But I would like you to post your full name, and the date of the race where you lapped her.

Or do you have 336 syndrome ?
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7/30/2008 8:10am
yes, i would rather watch the men's parade lap the WMA. Would be more fun to see some of the mini experts go at it in...
yes, i would rather watch the men's parade lap the WMA. Would be more fun to see some of the mini experts go at it in between motos. Also, the last time i actually raced a girl was Mercedes Gonzolas, and I lapped her in a 6 lap race in the 250 intermediate class at Glen Helen. just my opinion
Slow ~ Pro wrote:
I'd like to know when that was. I'll pull the results, and also see what happened to Mercedes, motorcycle. So when was it ? What is...
I'd like to know when that was.

I'll pull the results, and also see what happened to Mercedes, motorcycle.

So when was it ?
What is your name ?

Let's see if you are telling the truth.

I raced against Mercedes, and she finished right ahead of me, in my defense, I was on a Cagiva.

But I would like you to post your full name, and the date of the race where you lapped her.

Or do you have 336 syndrome ?
It was last year. And he's only 19.
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7/30/2008 8:24am
I'm good friends with Tatum Sikk, and actually am glad she got a ride. She was really one of the fastest persons I know on a bike. Its good to see her and the rest of the girls getting some exposure because they do put on a good race.

I have been on the track with JP$, SW, TG , Tatum and a few other WMA riders and they are plenty fast.

Boring? I don't think so. They have every bit of excitement as any other race during the nationals weekend.
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7/30/2008 8:45am
yes, i would rather watch the men's parade lap the WMA. Would be more fun to see some of the mini experts go at it in...
yes, i would rather watch the men's parade lap the WMA. Would be more fun to see some of the mini experts go at it in between motos. Also, the last time i actually raced a girl was Mercedes Gonzolas, and I lapped her in a 6 lap race in the 250 intermediate class at Glen Helen. just my opinion
Slow ~ Pro wrote:
I'd like to know when that was. I'll pull the results, and also see what happened to Mercedes, motorcycle. So when was it ? What is...
I'd like to know when that was.

I'll pull the results, and also see what happened to Mercedes, motorcycle.

So when was it ?
What is your name ?

Let's see if you are telling the truth.

I raced against Mercedes, and she finished right ahead of me, in my defense, I was on a Cagiva.

But I would like you to post your full name, and the date of the race where you lapped her.

Or do you have 336 syndrome ?
superglue wrote:
It was last year. And he's only 19.
What's his name ?

What race ?
7/30/2008 9:20am
superglue wrote:
For someone with your supposed educational background, that is the most ignorant comment I think I have ever seen on any board. Typical psychologist, stating their...
For someone with your supposed educational background, that is the most ignorant comment I think I have ever seen on any board. Typical psychologist, stating their "fact" on something they know nothing about. Being that you hail from Ohio I will assume that you have never been to a WMA race, so, if you are going to base your transientthought on the 2 minutes coverage that you get off the T.V. broadcast, you really need to be more well informed. Let me help. The girls race on the roughest track of the weekend with only one 15 minute practice, they then race again the next day on a changed track with NO practice, only a sight lap. Meanwhile the boys get two 20 min. sessions on Sat. and two more on Sunday. If Ashleys time are close to qualifying with that, how do you think she'd do with all that practice? The girls "ONLY" race 15 minutes because that is what the AMA, in their infinite wisdom, have decided is all they deserve, all the while they are screaming for the same schedule the boys have. Basing your "not as exciting" comment on the fact that they don't throw finish line whips. There really is a lot more exciting things in MX than that. Maybe you should save your transientthoughts for FMX and X Games. From the inside, I know personally how hard these girls work to do what they are capable of doing, and to say that they don't deserve the attention they are getting is ignorant at best. Let me remind you that Ashley won a moto with a BROKEN wrist and placed second in the other. Where have Tedesco, Townley, Millsaps and the other riders been? In fact, where have you been when your races have come to town? Oh, that's right, "hurt". True champions ride through the pain! That goes for males and females. Before you get all upset at me, let me leave you with this..... :-).
I also mentioned the whips, scrubs and tricks that some riders throw down during practice as well. Those are exciting, and all but missing from WMA...
I also mentioned the whips, scrubs and tricks that some riders throw down during practice as well. Those are exciting, and all but missing from WMA, I am sure some of them have the skill, I am just saying when you see Josh Grant Rampage a jump face with his bike sliding sideways off it it is exciting. I have not witnessed this in my sample of WMA races I have viewed and I will admit it is difficult for me to access those races in person, but I have seen those women ride before in person expecially at LL. Here is lesson in argumentation that I will give you sinse you obviously read my profile which I wrote (many people do not want to fill it out his or her profile or they would be attacked just like me). When an argument deviates from the topic at hand and starts to make character attacks (i.e. the educational / ignorant remark) the person who is abasing the other in a negative manner becomes less effective.

And yes I have been hurt. There has been damage to my liver and thyroid which has been ongoing for the past year and a half. I have raced with broken bones, I have raced with torn muscles. I even won a GNCC when I raced the B class with a 3rd degree separation of my shoulder (placing (in the 40's overall), I have raced and had good results even though my wrist is still technically broken for the past 6 years. Do not question my toughness, I have rode through concusssios because I needed the results to get sponsors upcoming seasons, I have left school traveled non stop and raced without sleep. I have raced with a bruised lung. I have cartwheeled my bike so violently I recieved emails of people who thought I had passed away. So please lay off the character attacks. We are all riders and we all know pain.
superglue wrote:
So we have to lay off your character attack but its o.k. for you to attack the character of these girls who are out laying their...
So we have to lay off your character attack but its o.k. for you to attack the character of these girls who are out laying their life on the line doing what they love for NO money, and NO respect from you?
I am not attacking the character of these women if you looked and read you would realize I gave them accolades for their skill. I am just saying that watching WMA lacks the excitement the men have. Just like the WNBA seems to lack the excitement of the NBA. That is it. You people need to really respond to the actual post, not some tangent. Yes I know some of them can whip, but So far during the WMA coverage I have seen that did not happen. I do not care when they are out at a supercross track or practicing whereever. I know they can ride, but I do disagree with the level of speed they are often purported to have because if they had it then they would be at the trail end of the (men's) lites class and in case you have not noticed. None of them have.

If you separate a group of people from another then talk about how awesome they are compared to them you are commiting a paradox. I am not saying anything about Villapoto like everyone else has, but I have seen with my own eyes at LL the top women were running a B pace and you do not have to like it but everyone who is neutrally minded sees this.

and for those attacking my injuries. If you read the post where I mentioned some of my injuries, I have raced in pain like all racers have, but right now I have to be careful, because I ONLY HAVE ONE LIVER. I cannot believe you guys are attacking me because I am not racing because I have liver damage. If Folek sat out a season because of her liver I bet you would all understand and I wonder why the situation would viewed differently.

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