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flarider 11/28/2012 6:30pm
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Thats a paragraph and a half of jibberish and distraction. You just wont address the point at hand. (you really outta consider running for political office...
Thats a paragraph and a half of jibberish and distraction. You just wont address the point at hand. (you really outta consider running for political office, you are a textbook politician at heart) Bottom line is the White House is in charge about what is and isnt said to the American people, period. The POTUS trumps every Dept there is and calls the shots. You keep, over & over, trying to change the focus of what Im saying towards that woman and she is not the point. Shes a peon, a puppet. Anyone who has a functioning brain realizes the WH isnt gonna tell everyone whats going on, and they will leave out some things at times. But you keep side-stepping the whole point of the WH telling a full-blown lie to keep bad press from hitting the 6pm news at a very critical time before election day. (not that it wouldve mattered either way as BO woulda won regardless, at this point nothing will break the sheep from the spell) but the WH definately did not want any negative press getting started, went into protection mode and sent their puppet out lying for two weeks as the clock ticked down to Election Day.
Racer92 wrote: Thats a paragraph and a half of jibberish and distraction. You just wont address the point at hand. (you really outta consider running for political office, you are a textbook politician at heart) Bottom line is the White House is in charge about what is and isnt said to the American people, period. The POTUS trumps every Dept there is and calls the shots. You keep, over & over, trying to change the focus of what Im saying towards that woman and she is not the point. Shes a peon, a puppet. Anyone who has a functioning brain realizes the WH isnt gonna tell everyone whats going on, and they will leave out some things at times.

That is what I have been saying
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WhKnuckle 11/28/2012 6:31pm
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The whole thing is silly. And it doesn't have anything to do with Susan Rice and what she said between Viagra commercials on one Sunday morning. This whole thing is just a political maneuver to get John Kerry appointed Secretary of State so Scott Brown can try to win a Senate seat back.
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Racer92 11/28/2012 6:33pm
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[b][i]Racer92 wrote: Thats a paragraph and a half of jibberish and distraction. You just wont address the point at hand. (you really outta consider running for...
Racer92 wrote: Thats a paragraph and a half of jibberish and distraction. You just wont address the point at hand. (you really outta consider running for political office, you are a textbook politician at heart) Bottom line is the White House is in charge about what is and isnt said to the American people, period. The POTUS trumps every Dept there is and calls the shots. You keep, over & over, trying to change the focus of what Im saying towards that woman and she is not the point. Shes a peon, a puppet. Anyone who has a functioning brain realizes the WH isnt gonna tell everyone whats going on, and they will leave out some things at times.

That is what I have been saying
I know Im slow, my reading comprehension is Texanized and Im old, but can you show me were you said you do not approve of the WH instructing its employees to lie to US citizens? If Ive missed it I apologize for the oversight.
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flarider 11/28/2012 6:41pm
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If you want to be pissed at DoS for scrubbing the AQ aspect from the talking points, you'd have a better position, even though that direct information was omitted because the intel officials were in the middle of an active investigation, and you don't want your suspects to know you're on to them and actively putting your case together...by the way, several of the participants were arrested, weren't they?

But again, you'd have a better case, albeit wrong, but a better case being pissed at DoS or even the WH rather than Ambassador Susan Rice who did nothing more than the job she was asked to do by her superiors.

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jmar 11/28/2012 6:42pm
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Why did they keep insisting days that the video was the cause? Fuck if I know. It's her job to spin for the prez. In fact...
Why did they keep insisting days that the video was the cause? Fuck if I know. It's her job to spin for the prez. In fact, that kind of spin is exactly what we need at top levels. You have to be able to cover for the big dog. That's how you get cabinet posts. Remember all those cabinet people that told us that Clinton didn't spume on the fat intern? They were just doing their jobs. relaying the intel. And quite well I might add. Some of you have the misconception that upper level officials somehow owe the people the truth. My question to you is: when the fuck was that rule EVER adhered to? Why start now? We could go back to Viet Nam and all truths we were given by the LBJ and NIXON administrations as a benchmark. Or maybe even Iran/Contra, but those were the good old days.

Half of you will defend these frauds when your team is in power, then the other half of you will defend your frauds when they are in power. I think we are on the verge of creating a more perfect union.
I won't defend it. Our government, or Ambassador Stevens was doing shit behind closed doors that the they couldn't own up to. I don't agree with that.

But those grilling Rice already know what the facts are. But they still choose to be partisan asshats and inflect all the damage they can.

No matter how all of this plays out, there will be no winner.
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Racer92 11/28/2012 6:47pm
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[i][b]If you want to be pissed at DoS for scrubbing the AQ aspect from the talking points, you'd have a better position, even though that direct...
If you want to be pissed at DoS for scrubbing the AQ aspect from the talking points, you'd have a better position, even though that direct information was omitted because the intel officials were in the middle of an active investigation, and you don't want your suspects to know you're on to them and actively putting your case together...by the way, several of the participants were arrested, weren't they?

But again, you'd have a better case, albeit wrong, but a better case being pissed at DoS or even the WH rather than Ambassador Susan Rice who did nothing more than the job she was asked to do by her superiors.
That is you admitting the President lied to us and that you dont condone that? Man I really am a simpleton, I still dont see it, all I see is you giving Rice a pass for just doing her job and reading a script.

Guess I will hafta bow out, apparently my intellect is too feeble here. I will let you smart fellars continue this.
Stanton876 11/28/2012 6:58pm
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If they told RIce to kill someone and she did Flarider would be ok with it.

The logic that lying is ok if it's your job is irrational.
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SEEMEFIRST 11/28/2012 10:25pm
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Scrubbing documents, and inserting flat out lies are 2 completely different things.

The CIA said nothing about a video, and knew that day there were no demonstrations outside the consulate.
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flarider 11/29/2012 6:41am
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There were no "flat out lies" inserted.

There is no denial that there was unrest in the ME over that stupid video. There was unrest and riots in several ME nations.
None of you can honestly deny this and there is hundreds, if not thousands, of news articles to prove this fact.

During the time of this unrest, there was an attack on the UN Consulate in Benghazi.

Now while the intel community may have known there was AQ involvement, there was still question as to what extent, how well planned and a question of if it was pre-planned or an organic attack resulting from the video.

So the CIA had an idea of who the suspects were, but not a clear picture of all the details surrounding their involvement, therefore there was an ongoing investigation at that time.

So the video being a catalyst to the situation was not unreasonable, as it was going on in several countries throughout the region at that very same time.

So, the DoS and WH chose to omit the part about AQ because it was an ongoing investigation and to not tip their hand to AQ that our intel was on their tail (which resulted in several arrests) and there was regional unrest due to that crappy video.

So there was no "flat out lie" only an conscious decision to omit the suspects of an ongoing investigation that resulted in the arrest of those suspects.

Anyone seeing a conspiracy is looking for a conspiracy
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jndmx 11/29/2012 6:45am
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I won't defend it. Our government, or Ambassador Stevens was doing shit behind closed doors that the they couldn't own up to. I don't agree with...
I won't defend it. Our government, or Ambassador Stevens was doing shit behind closed doors that the they couldn't own up to. I don't agree with that.

But those grilling Rice already know what the facts are. But they still choose to be partisan asshats and inflect all the damage they can.

No matter how all of this plays out, there will be no winner.
This......
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pelted 11/29/2012 6:59am
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Her job is not to do what she is told if she is told to do something Ilegal, immoral or just plain wrong. Her job is...
Her job is not to do what she is told if she is told to do something Ilegal, immoral or just plain wrong. Her job is to Support and Defend the Constitution of The United States, not the administrations election chances.

"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
That oath is a little inconvenient at this moment for the "Just The Fax" guy it would appear.
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flarider 11/29/2012 7:02am
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Her job is not to do what she is told if she is told to do something Ilegal, immoral or just plain wrong. Her job is...
Her job is not to do what she is told if she is told to do something Ilegal, immoral or just plain wrong. Her job is to Support and Defend the Constitution of The United States, not the administrations election chances.

"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
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That oath is a little inconvenient at this moment for the "Just The Fax" guy it would appear.
Where, specifically was that oath violated?
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vet323 11/29/2012 7:06am
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There were no "flat out lies" inserted. There is no denial that there was unrest in the ME over that stupid video. There was unrest and...
There were no "flat out lies" inserted.

There is no denial that there was unrest in the ME over that stupid video. There was unrest and riots in several ME nations.
None of you can honestly deny this and there is hundreds, if not thousands, of news articles to prove this fact.

During the time of this unrest, there was an attack on the UN Consulate in Benghazi.

Now while the intel community may have known there was AQ involvement, there was still question as to what extent, how well planned and a question of if it was pre-planned or an organic attack resulting from the video.

So the CIA had an idea of who the suspects were, but not a clear picture of all the details surrounding their involvement, therefore there was an ongoing investigation at that time.

So the video being a catalyst to the situation was not unreasonable, as it was going on in several countries throughout the region at that very same time.

So, the DoS and WH chose to omit the part about AQ because it was an ongoing investigation and to not tip their hand to AQ that our intel was on their tail (which resulted in several arrests) and there was regional unrest due to that crappy video.

So there was no "flat out lie" only an conscious decision to omit the suspects of an ongoing investigation that resulted in the arrest of those suspects.

Anyone seeing a conspiracy is looking for a conspiracy
So, the DoS and WH chose to omit the part about AQ because it was an ongoing investigation and to not tip their hand to AQ that our intel was on their tail (which resulted in several arrests) and there was regional unrest due to that crappy video.

So is your contention that the CIA had in their talking points something tying the Benghazi attack to a demonstration over the video that got out of hand? Because that is what Amb. Rice (and the rest of the administration) said for two weeks.

Anyone seeing a conspiracy is looking for a conspiracy

I would not use the word conspiracy when the word incompetence is available.
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pelted 11/29/2012 7:49am
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flarider wrote:
Where, specifically was that oath violated?
Was the constitution defended by spreading lies?
Stanton876 11/29/2012 9:56am
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They lied to us with the Bush administration and people where OK with it then and people are lying to us now and people are simple OK with it.

It's insane.

Americans got killed and the president/democrats covered it up until after the election, but that's fine.

Susan RIce took a foul for the team when they needed her most and now you'll see her get a promotion for lying...
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Racer92 11/29/2012 1:57pm
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They lied to us with the Bush administration and people where OK with it then and people are lying to us now and people are simple...
They lied to us with the Bush administration and people where OK with it then and people are lying to us now and people are simple OK with it.

It's insane.

Americans got killed and the president/democrats covered it up until after the election, but that's fine.

Susan RIce took a foul for the team when they needed her most and now you'll see her get a promotion for lying...
Pretty much summed it up.
Stanton876 11/29/2012 2:29pm
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I can't wait for government healthcare to dictate what people can and can't do. All the same Rice supporters will be claiming that we should've made the sport safer when it was them that really F'd everyone by supporting it.

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Crashinskinoff 11/29/2012 2:49pm
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People are helpless, most need the government. Put your average American out in the woods and they couldn't make it two weeks. Weak and stupid. Dumbass's bitching about a Charlie Brown Christmas now, way to go.
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88sdad 11/29/2012 3:30pm
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I prefer to live in the woods, it's the city that fucks me up.
Crashinskinoff 11/29/2012 4:37pm
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Right on, right now the man still owns me. Once I break these chains I'll move to the woods.
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Racer92 11/29/2012 5:14pm
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"I'd rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on Earth." ~ Steve McQueen

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Racer92 wrote:
"I'd rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on Earth." [i] ~ Steve McQueen[/i] [img]http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/steve-mcqueen-image.jpg[/img]
"I'd rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on Earth." ~ Steve McQueen

All I can say is; I am sure glad so many folks like big city life. Cool
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Racer92 11/29/2012 6:07pm
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All I can say is; I am sure glad so many folks like big city life. Cool
You sure got that right.
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Spahnzuki 11/29/2012 6:11pm
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She was a puppet just like our current useless, spending spree President.
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flarider 11/29/2012 6:12pm
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I'm sorry your reading comprehension is poor.
Maybe you want to take some remedial course to help you with that.

Maybe you can start here - http://www.scholastic.com/teachers/student-activities

Because obviously you either didn't read or comprehend what I wrote.
Stanton876 11/29/2012 6:37pm
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More or less flarider is saying he supports it because his guy told her to do so.
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Spahnzuki 11/29/2012 6:49pm
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More or less flarider is saying he supports it because his guy told her to do so.
Or you're just believing what MSNBC told you to....
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vet323 11/29/2012 7:12pm
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flarider wrote:
I'm sorry your reading comprehension is poor. Maybe you want to take some remedial course to help you with that. Maybe you can start here -...
I'm sorry your reading comprehension is poor.
Maybe you want to take some remedial course to help you with that.

Maybe you can start here - http://www.scholastic.com/teachers/student-activities

Because obviously you either didn't read or comprehend what I wrote.
Dave, they lied, they knew they were lying, and they had no good reason (I.E.. the reasons you have tried to give) to lie.

They didn't lie to preserve their investigation. They didn't lie because they had to.

You know they lied, I know they lied, they know they lied.

Amb. Rice and every other administration figure (including the President himself) trotted out in front of a camera for a couple weeks after the attack and were actively pushing the YouTube story, even though most media outlets were disagreeing with that story. Newspaper articles on Sept. 13 were already naming the group responsible for the attack. They didn't do it because that was the intelligence assessment (no intelligence agency told them the attack was caused by the video), they didn't do it to "throw the perpetrators off the scent of the investigation".

But let's leave that aside for now. What do you suppose the reasons were for not sending help? Why wasn't there any security with Amb. Stevens? Why was there a "consulate" in Benghazi in the first place? If there was a reason to set up a consulate separate from the Embassy, why was there inadequate security?

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