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WaitForIt 11/27/2012 1:27pm
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I don't understand the point of this thread?

What was the inspiration behind the making of this?
Whoops_Blitzer 11/27/2012 1:57pm
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Husqerdo wrote:
Once again claiming to know what others think, and not having a clue. I have never heard anyone claim "Dungey is smarter than Reed", The reality...
Once again claiming to know what others think, and not having a clue. I have never heard anyone claim "Dungey is smarter than Reed", The reality is "Lotta people know Dungey is smarter than RV" as exhibited by RV's brain fart crashes that have removed him from 3 of 4 possible 450MX series. ( Should probably mention RV did make the first 2 races 2009MX then out) .
Yippee, husqerdo's here! You've never heard anyone say Dungey is smarter than Reed? Gee, where would I have gotten that idea? Certainly not from this thread, the very same one you just posted in...wait, hold on...

Motokiwi said: “RD is playing the game at a whole nother level. And winning.”
Fader418 said: “Smartest guy out there IMO…”
Motov8ed said: “Seems to me the other three guys could learn a thing or two from RD5 about being fast and consistent”

Well I'll be damned!

You never got back to me in that last thread when I suggested you weren't reading things properly, so it's good that we're having this little moment.

@wait for it: these sorts of threads have a long history. "Why does Stewart crash so much?" is another classic.
vanillaice782 11/27/2012 3:03pm
11/27/2012 3:03pm Edited Date/Time 11/27/2012 3:04pm
Dungey takes the high road and rides smart and consistent. He lets everyone else crash their brains out. It's the same thing Reed used to do. The only problem was that Reed had to race against Carmichael who rode like a mad man and didn't crash.
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MotoMalyDad 11/27/2012 3:45pm
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Appearances can be deceiving ... RD5 is smooth like a 4 stroke .. there is always the guy on the 2 stroke ringing it out and you think man he is flying.. until the lap times get posted.. Damn 3 seconds slower..

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Hank_Thrill 11/27/2012 8:54pm
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He does tend to ride a little more conservative than Stewart or Villopoto, but he has spent less time injured out of the top guys over the past three years also. Plus, look at his record: 2010 Supercross Champ, 2010 Motocross champ, and if you replaced his A2 and Freestone DNFs in 2011 with a fifth place finish he would have been the national and supercross champ for both classes two years in a row. His outdoor title this year was well earned.

I personally think people overlook the guy because of his smooth effortless riding style. He stays so centered over the bike it gives the illusion that he is not going fast. When he wants to hang out and push the limit he can (e.g., Steel City 2011 moto #1).
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Hank_Thrill 11/27/2012 8:56pm
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MotoMalyDad wrote:
Appearances can be deceiving ... RD5 is smooth like a 4 stroke .. there is always the guy on the 2 stroke ringing it out and...
Appearances can be deceiving ... RD5 is smooth like a 4 stroke .. there is always the guy on the 2 stroke ringing it out and you think man he is flying.. until the lap times get posted.. Damn 3 seconds slower..
haha, that made me laugh. Great analogy!
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BR_HERO 11/27/2012 9:20pm
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You mean he hasn't had to change anything yet. Lotta people seem to feel that Dungey is smarter than Reed. I don't think so. Reed is...
You mean he hasn't had to change anything yet.

Lotta people seem to feel that Dungey is smarter than Reed. I don't think so. Reed is still the better racer (see my moto wins tally above), and he's learned a lot in a decade in the sport. Remember this Reed quote, from A1 press day this year?

“I think you need to win races. Year after year, other than ‘10, I’ve been here every weekend, being on the podium. And in all the years I’ve been so close but yet so far, I’ve only had a couple of race wins. I think you need to need to be able to have five race wins this year to win.”

Reed saw that his old strategy, the one Dungey now employs, wasn't working for him, and he adapted. That's not dumb, even if it didn't work like he planned.

And yeah, loftyair, RV is faster than JS7, and he does it without wrecking nonstop. A person would really be stretching to say his injuries this year and in '10 were a direct result of him pushing past his comfort zone, in my BROpinion.
Husqerdo wrote:
Once again claiming to know what others think, and not having a clue. I have never heard anyone claim "Dungey is smarter than Reed", The reality...
Once again claiming to know what others think, and not having a clue. I have never heard anyone claim "Dungey is smarter than Reed", The reality is "Lotta people know Dungey is smarter than RV" as exhibited by RV's brain fart crashes that have removed him from 3 of 4 possible 450MX series. ( Should probably mention RV did make the first 2 races 2009MX then out) .
Yeah, crashes tend to happen more when you're upfront winning races and pushing the edges rather than sitting back in third and waiting for one to fall in you lap.
nadeauracing229 11/27/2012 10:37pm
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There is no way raw speed vs. raw speed that RV is as fast as JS. CR outdoors has more raw speed then RV, I don't...
There is no way raw speed vs. raw speed that RV is as fast as JS. CR outdoors has more raw speed then RV, I don't get where this wonder child thing is about him he is very fast and faster then RD. In most cases but I still think JS is a tick above them all.
Whoops_Blitzer wrote:
I don't know where you get your information, but according to the MX Sports archive: [b]Fastest-lap honors in the first 8 motos of 2011: [/b]Villopoto 5...
I don't know where you get your information, but according to the MX Sports archive:

Fastest-lap honors in the first 8 motos of 2011: Villopoto 5, Dungey 2, Reed 1.

Reed won five of 'em, though, 'cause he's a friggin' bulldog, and not even repeated blows to the head will stop him.

And I think Stewart maybe has a chance at regaining his fastest-man crown, if he's comfy enough, but in case you missed his SX performances over the last 13 months, RV is really fucking fast these days.
Reed's never been a fast lap guy when Reed crashed at Millville that year he had won the first moto and passed RV the first lap and was absolutely flying before crashing. This year he also was running RV down and gaining momentum when he crashed at Dallas. Getting a little off track here but I think CR has just as much raw speed as RV and that they are both a tick off JS. I hope we do see that JS this year but its unlikely. IMO a little more aggressive RD and everyone will see he has the same raw speed as CR or RV.
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JJO741 11/28/2012 12:07am
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Dungey doesn't look like he is pushing it as hard as he can, but boy, when he does it is amazing how much faster he is. A1 2010, that charge he put on to catch Stewart and almost pass him was spectacular. In his first few races his rookie year, he looked so much more aggressive than he does now. He is still extremely fast but when he puts on the aggression he can beat anyone.
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jock 11/28/2012 2:12am
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The Dunge is so smooth and in control that it makes him look slow when in reality he is hauling some serious ass. He is deadly...
The Dunge is so smooth and in control that it makes him look slow when in reality he is hauling some serious ass. He is deadly thru the turns.

I don't count Championships but hasn't he already surpassed RV, CR, & JS in number of Championships won individually? Either way his career is certainly going to be more lengthy than RVs or JSs.
zook11 wrote:
RV has 3 big bike titles RD had 3* as well
Why the asterisk? If you FINISH the series with the most points, you win, true?
I'm a Hannah fantard, does that mean Howerton and Bell need an asterisk beside their names? I think not.
How many asterisks should have Bailey added to the history books?
Leave the asterisk shit out, it's getting old.

Hoping for some great racing come A1, rooting for all the riders. May the best man win.
madmaxperformance 11/28/2012 8:29am
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I was amazed at the MEC this year, watching practice. RV looked rediculously fast. I mean, dirt flying, attacking and looking a bit ragged... really hanging it out, like a wildman. It was awesome. The sand straight past the stands, it looked like he was a gear higher than everyone else... He set the fastest lap on the leader board.

Then, I watched Dungey... super smooth, looked like he was a few seconds a lap slower. Looked like a day on the practice track, having fun. The ole KTM just not hitting the rev limiter, a day in the park. I was like... dude... get aggressive.

Comes over the finish line, fastest lap time in practice, ALL DAY. Absolutely blew me away.

Point is... Dungey is freaking fast, without hanging it out like RV, JS7, etc. It wil be proven over the long haul I think. He COULD turn the silly race laps in like RV, but the risk is high. Is it cool to watch? Sure. RV is an animal. But... hes over the edge a ton to do it. If I could choose who to be if I had the chance, Id be RD5. Odds are, he will have a longer career. But, it is motocross, and as Trey Canard has proven... bad things happen to good people. Its a risky sport. Day in day out, RD5 is a better rider, he is just more calculated.
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Outsider 11/28/2012 8:52am
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It's simple really. When Dungey and Villopoto have finished a season together, RV has won. Now, you can argue that if RD hadn't had mechanicals, he would have another title(2011mx). Well, that may be true, but you could also argue that if RV hadn't tweaked his knee(twice), he would have two more titles(2009mx-2012mx), not to mention the St. Louis crash(2010mx). Seems like a lot of big crashes for RV, but maybe just bad knees?

All the ifs and buts aside, he just hasn't beat RV yet... doesn't mean he can't do it, just hasn't.
Whoops_Blitzer 11/28/2012 10:41am
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Reed's never been a fast lap guy when Reed crashed at Millville that year he had won the first moto and passed RV the first lap...
Reed's never been a fast lap guy when Reed crashed at Millville that year he had won the first moto and passed RV the first lap and was absolutely flying before crashing. This year he also was running RV down and gaining momentum when he crashed at Dallas. Getting a little off track here but I think CR has just as much raw speed as RV and that they are both a tick off JS. I hope we do see that JS this year but its unlikely. IMO a little more aggressive RD and everyone will see he has the same raw speed as CR or RV.
So is the lesson here "Don't try to run with RV?" 'Cause that's sort of what it looks like. Like someone above said, anyone can grab a handful and be the fastest guy on the track for a few seconds. You hear quite often (suck it, husqerdo) that Windham has the "raw speed" of the top 5, but he hasn't exactly been rewarded for the times he's shown it. But that's sometimes what it takes to make passes, and that's exactly what Dungey doesn't do.

Switching gears, y'all know what's interesting? Dungey had one win last year (Toronto) and one win this year (Phoenix) where he beat a full gate (all the fast guys). In every other race, Dungey's normally at least a half-second off the fastest guy's fastest time, but in these two races he was riiiight there with his laptime. Is it the tracks' surfaces? Or does he get the holeshot and see the win in front of him and FREE HIS MIND?

In Toronto I think Dungey ended up riding clear off the track at one point but made a miraculous recovery, so maybe in that "brain fart", as husqerdo might say, we can see the side-effects of pushing the pace.
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Trig331 11/28/2012 11:28am
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It's simple really. When Dungey and Villopoto have finished a season together, RV has won. Now, you can argue that if RD hadn't had mechanicals, he...
It's simple really. When Dungey and Villopoto have finished a season together, RV has won. Now, you can argue that if RD hadn't had mechanicals, he would have another title(2011mx). Well, that may be true, but you could also argue that if RV hadn't tweaked his knee(twice), he would have two more titles(2009mx-2012mx), not to mention the St. Louis crash(2010mx). Seems like a lot of big crashes for RV, but maybe just bad knees?

All the ifs and buts aside, he just hasn't beat RV yet... doesn't mean he can't do it, just hasn't.
Dungey also had less of a chance to beat Villopoto over the last 3 years in a "full season" due to RV only finishing two full seasons (2011 SX & MX). Yes he won this years SX, but he didn't finish it. So Villopoto is 2/6 at finishing a full season and Dungey is 5/6 and they both have 3 big bike titles. Take 2011 MX, Villopoto did win the title, but I believe Dungey had more moto wins (i've been wrong before).

It's racing, so ifs and buts certainly don't matter, but comparing running out of gas to crashes (of his own cause) is not exaclly apples to apples.

With ifs and buts removed, they both lined up at the start of 2010 and Dungey won both titles, they both lined up at the start of 2011 and Villopoto won both titles, they both lined up at the start of 2012 and each won a title. Seems to me they both are incredible riders that have a lot of respect for each other. I don't think you can put a blanket statement out about either rider being better, faster, smarter, etc. They have different styles that have taken them each along different routes to the very tip top of the sport. It also looks like they may have their work cut our for them more than ever this year with Reed, Stewart, Canard, Barcia, Wilson, Tomac and many more trying to take over or get back on top. It's going to be a great year.
Whoops_Blitzer 11/28/2012 11:54am
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@trig

You're a little off on MX'11 - see my moto-win tally about halfway down pg1. Other than that, it was very well said, and I believe both husqerdo and I would agree 100%.
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Husqerdo 11/28/2012 11:58am
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Dungey also had less of a chance to beat Villopoto over the last 3 years in a "full season" due to RV only finishing two full...
Dungey also had less of a chance to beat Villopoto over the last 3 years in a "full season" due to RV only finishing two full seasons (2011 SX & MX). Yes he won this years SX, but he didn't finish it. So Villopoto is 2/6 at finishing a full season and Dungey is 5/6 and they both have 3 big bike titles. Take 2011 MX, Villopoto did win the title, but I believe Dungey had more moto wins (i've been wrong before).

It's racing, so ifs and buts certainly don't matter, but comparing running out of gas to crashes (of his own cause) is not exaclly apples to apples.

With ifs and buts removed, they both lined up at the start of 2010 and Dungey won both titles, they both lined up at the start of 2011 and Villopoto won both titles, they both lined up at the start of 2012 and each won a title. Seems to me they both are incredible riders that have a lot of respect for each other. I don't think you can put a blanket statement out about either rider being better, faster, smarter, etc. They have different styles that have taken them each along different routes to the very tip top of the sport. It also looks like they may have their work cut our for them more than ever this year with Reed, Stewart, Canard, Barcia, Wilson, Tomac and many more trying to take over or get back on top. It's going to be a great year.
Very well said, and I believe both Whoops and I would agree 100%.
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pimpdaddy460 11/28/2012 1:40pm
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Bottom line is RD5 or RV1 is going to be winning the championships for the next few years.
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zook11 11/28/2012 2:02pm
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pimpdaddy460 wrote:
Bottom line is RD5 or RV1 is going to be winning the championships for the next few years.
Hard to argue that.

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Trig331 11/28/2012 4:18pm
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Whoops_Blitzer wrote:
@trig You're a little off on MX'11 - see my moto-win tally about halfway down pg1. Other than that, it was very well said, and I...
@trig

You're a little off on MX'11 - see my moto-win tally about halfway down pg1. Other than that, it was very well said, and I believe both husqerdo and I would agree 100%.
Might have been thinking overall wins. Either way, both great riders and they're probably going to have some company at the top this year.
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xray52 12/1/2012 11:00pm
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The Dunge is so smooth and in control that it makes him look slow when in reality he is hauling some serious ass. He is deadly...
The Dunge is so smooth and in control that it makes him look slow when in reality he is hauling some serious ass. He is deadly thru the turns.

I don't count Championships but hasn't he already surpassed RV, CR, & JS in number of Championships won individually? Either way his career is certainly going to be more lengthy than RVs or JSs.
zook11 wrote:
RV has 3 big bike titles RD had 3* as well
ha ha, here we go with that asterisk. For the record, I don't believe in that. The other guys weren't there for whatever reason, no fault of Dungey, he WAS there and won it, no asterisk needed!
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TDeath21 12/2/2012 9:42am
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I have never watched a rider accomplish so much and get such little respect. When he has to step it up, he does. He stays healthy and completes every race in every season he enters, aside from mechanicals and 2012 SX. Just go ahead and watch Southwick 2011 if you don't think he has the speed to hang it out when he needs to.

To most people though, it's more impressive to go really fast and then wad it up, then miss half the season, than it is for Dungey to be consistently on the box and occasionally winning.
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Seems to me like Dungey has K-dub syndrome. his style looks effortless so people assume he's not pushing his limits, when really he's all out. Also, much like K-dub, some days something clicks and he can run with or even beat the best.
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malachi177 12/2/2012 11:01am
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yz414 wrote:
Seems to me like Dungey has K-dub syndrome. his style looks effortless so people assume he's not pushing his limits, when really he's all out. Also...
Seems to me like Dungey has K-dub syndrome. his style looks effortless so people assume he's not pushing his limits, when really he's all out. Also, much like K-dub, some days something clicks and he can run with or even beat the best.
** for RV in the '12 SX Championship. Everyone else was injured (before he was). Sound familiar??
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Prairieboy43 12/2/2012 11:05am
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pimpdaddy460 wrote:
Bottom line is RD5 or RV1 is going to be winning the championships for the next few years.
zook11 wrote:
Hard to argue that.
I agree with this. As for and *, maybe grabbing your gearshift lever, shifting your bike, 20' in the air will gain and **. MX/SX is and endurance sport. 16 races to the championship. RV and RD will be hard to beat. People want the Instant wow factor to ditch a guy. Remember what comes around, goes around. It is good to have allies.
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Husqerdo 12/2/2012 12:16pm
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yz414 wrote:
Seems to me like Dungey has K-dub syndrome. his style looks effortless so people assume he's not pushing his limits, when really he's all out. Also...
Seems to me like Dungey has K-dub syndrome. his style looks effortless so people assume he's not pushing his limits, when really he's all out. Also, much like K-dub, some days something clicks and he can run with or even beat the best.
First let me say K-dub is one of the best all time. Now the most ridiculous statement of all time awarded too yz414 "some days something clicks and he can run with or even beat the best". What planet do you reside, RD has been CHAMPION 5 out the last 8 consecutive series (SX/MX last 4 years) he has been privileged to compete in. Since you obviously have no clue what has actually taken place, look it up Moron, might want to look Moron up too.
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yz414 12/2/2012 12:54pm
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yz414 wrote:
Seems to me like Dungey has K-dub syndrome. his style looks effortless so people assume he's not pushing his limits, when really he's all out. Also...
Seems to me like Dungey has K-dub syndrome. his style looks effortless so people assume he's not pushing his limits, when really he's all out. Also, much like K-dub, some days something clicks and he can run with or even beat the best.
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First let me say K-dub is one of the best all time. Now the most ridiculous statement of all time awarded too yz414 "some days something...
First let me say K-dub is one of the best all time. Now the most ridiculous statement of all time awarded too yz414 "some days something clicks and he can run with or even beat the best". What planet do you reside, RD has been CHAMPION 5 out the last 8 consecutive series (SX/MX last 4 years) he has been privileged to compete in. Since you obviously have no clue what has actually taken place, look it up Moron, might want to look Moron up too.
I meant k-dub has days where something clicks and he can run with and beat the best, my last post sounded different than i meant it
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Hando 12/2/2012 11:30pm
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anyone who isn't bullish on RV is a fool

dude is a legend in the making....he's that fast

Like, RC fast.

Dungey is gonna have it tough this year if everyone stays healthy.
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Derpin' DJ 12/3/2012 1:20am
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Really? In his 3 years of the 450 class, he has never had a tough year. Why would next year be any different?

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