more an more two strokes

mxracer239mx wrote:

Anyone noticed all the 2 strokes showing up @ the local tracks?

mxracer239mx wrote:

Anyone noticed all the 2 strokes showing up @ the local tracks?

neysbo wrote:

ya , i have seen quite a few in the 65 and 85 class.

mjskier wrote:

[b]The every other revolution power stroke allows the tire to hook up. You would think this is an advantage in hare scrambles with the hill climbs[/b]...

The every other revolution power stroke allows the tire to hook up. You would think this is an advantage in hare scrambles with the hill climbs

Except on greasy uphill with exposed roots and rocks. My KTM 450 used to break traction where my current 300 goes up like butter. My theory is that with the big 450 you get kind of a pulsing power. 1 big bang that gets the wheel loose. On a MX track it doesn't matter because you regain traction on the non power stroke, but in offroad it sure does.
I'm not kidding, in sketchy traction conditions I went from a hack to superman.

mjskier wrote:

[b]The every other revolution power stroke allows the tire to hook up. You would think this is an advantage in hare scrambles with the hill climbs[/b]...

The every other revolution power stroke allows the tire to hook up. You would think this is an advantage in hare scrambles with the hill climbs

Except on greasy uphill with exposed roots and rocks. My KTM 450 used to break traction where my current 300 goes up like butter. My theory is that with the big 450 you get kind of a pulsing power. 1 big bang that gets the wheel loose. On a MX track it doesn't matter because you regain traction on the non power stroke, but in offroad it sure does.
I'm not kidding, in sketchy traction conditions I went from a hack to superman.

Bulldog wrote:

Interesting stats from the Virginia Championship Hare Scramble Series (VCHSS) - 2 strokes in offroad are very dominate. Here are our numbers for the 2012 season...

Interesting stats from the Virginia Championship Hare Scramble Series (VCHSS) - 2 strokes in offroad are very dominate. Here are our numbers for the 2012 season that just finished. We track the brands and types of motors and feed them back to the factories, AMA and series sponsors:

Average rider turnout per event ~400 (bikes only) over 15 rounds:

2-Stroke - 70%
4-Stroke - 30%

By Brand and percentage of brand entered on average per event:

KTM - 45%
Yamaha - 23%
Honda - 11%
Kawasaki - 8%
Suzuki - 7%
Gas Gas - 3%
Husqvarna - 2%
Husaberg - 1%

Seeing the ride of the of the 4-Stroke the numbers continue to decrease here. What brands are the biggest sellers? Those that have 2-Strokes in the lineup particularly in a full size bike. 10 years ago Honda was the most raced bike in Virginia holding down about 30% of the bikes raced. Now it is #3 and still decreasing. The interesting thing we see is the surge off smaller brands out of Europe. Just a few years ago they made up collectivlye 3% of the bikes. Now there are enough that they can be counted on their own and are rivaling the numbers of Kawsaki and Suzuki. 2-Strokes make the sport more affordable especially when they detonate...enough said...

Bulldog wrote:

Interesting stats from the Virginia Championship Hare Scramble Series (VCHSS) - 2 strokes in offroad are very dominate. Here are our numbers for the 2012 season...

Interesting stats from the Virginia Championship Hare Scramble Series (VCHSS) - 2 strokes in offroad are very dominate. Here are our numbers for the 2012 season that just finished. We track the brands and types of motors and feed them back to the factories, AMA and series sponsors:

Average rider turnout per event ~400 (bikes only) over 15 rounds:

2-Stroke - 70%
4-Stroke - 30%

By Brand and percentage of brand entered on average per event:

KTM - 45%
Yamaha - 23%
Honda - 11%
Kawasaki - 8%
Suzuki - 7%
Gas Gas - 3%
Husqvarna - 2%
Husaberg - 1%

Seeing the ride of the of the 4-Stroke the numbers continue to decrease here. What brands are the biggest sellers? Those that have 2-Strokes in the lineup particularly in a full size bike. 10 years ago Honda was the most raced bike in Virginia holding down about 30% of the bikes raced. Now it is #3 and still decreasing. The interesting thing we see is the surge off smaller brands out of Europe. Just a few years ago they made up collectivlye 3% of the bikes. Now there are enough that they can be counted on their own and are rivaling the numbers of Kawsaki and Suzuki. 2-Strokes make the sport more affordable especially when they detonate...enough said...

CR250Rider wrote:

my little brother sells cars and the industry chatter is Honda has lost their way in automobiles as well. sad to see such a dominate company...

my little brother sells cars and the industry chatter is Honda has lost their way in automobiles as well.

sad to see such a dominate company fall

Bounce it 223 wrote:

Lost my job, traded 250f for 250t and fell in love with the sport again. End of story.

se7enmx wrote:

Looking for a good 250 right now. 450 for sale. Over it!

exsarg wrote:

im an old guy -44. raced and rode fom 4 to 20. didnt ride for ten tears. at 30 bought a yz 250 2 stroke. had...

im an old guy -44. raced and rode fom 4 to 20. didnt ride for ten tears. at 30 bought a yz 250 2 stroke. had fun but the bike wore me out in 5 min. hardly rode it. at 34 bought a 250f. loved it. aloowed me to ride without getting so fn tired. or scaring the shit outa me. so the 4 stroke has been good to me. that being said im riding and racin more now then ever. bought a yz250 2st to go along with my 250 and 450fs. loved it. sold it awhile back. gonna get a 150 when i can afford it. moral of story i love dirt bikes and there is a place for both.

exsarg wrote:

im an old guy -44. raced and rode fom 4 to 20. didnt ride for ten tears. at 30 bought a yz 250 2 stroke. had...

im an old guy -44. raced and rode fom 4 to 20. didnt ride for ten tears. at 30 bought a yz 250 2 stroke. had fun but the bike wore me out in 5 min. hardly rode it. at 34 bought a 250f. loved it. aloowed me to ride without getting so fn tired. or scaring the shit outa me. so the 4 stroke has been good to me. that being said im riding and racin more now then ever. bought a yz250 2st to go along with my 250 and 450fs. loved it. sold it awhile back. gonna get a 150 when i can afford it. moral of story i love dirt bikes and there is a place for both.

exsarg wrote:

im an old guy -44. raced and rode fom 4 to 20. didnt ride for ten tears. at 30 bought a yz 250 2 stroke. had...

im an old guy -44. raced and rode fom 4 to 20. didnt ride for ten tears. at 30 bought a yz 250 2 stroke. had fun but the bike wore me out in 5 min. hardly rode it. at 34 bought a 250f. loved it. aloowed me to ride without getting so fn tired. or scaring the shit outa me. so the 4 stroke has been good to me. that being said im riding and racin more now then ever. bought a yz250 2st to go along with my 250 and 450fs. loved it. sold it awhile back. gonna get a 150 when i can afford it. moral of story i love dirt bikes and there is a place for both.

xray52 wrote:

Yeah, this is me somewhat. Love the two strokes and feel faster on them (probably not though) but I get so tired on them compared to...

Yeah, this is me somewhat. Love the two strokes and feel faster on them (probably not though) but I get so tired on them compared to four stroke...and I don't know about that traction thing...the two stroke scares the hell out of me when the track is hard and wet.