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bonafide
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Edited Date/Time 11/15/2012 6:17pm
I would love to see the AMA claiming rule dropped.
When I was younger I had the opportunity to live
near one of the shops where Joel Roberts and
Roger De Coster's bikes were being developed.
There are still works bikes out there,but not in the
US.The development of these machines is being
done in other countries.The"claiming"should
be abolished so the natural evolution of
motocross can continue.The Japanese and
European MX races are where the manufacturing
companies are doing all their development
work. I would rather that would be in the US.
All the Big players in the MX industry,have a incredible
amount of experience and data that you nor I will
ever get to see.
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GuppyGahoo
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11/13/2012 8:53pm
I always thought that the production rule was holding them back more than anything.
bonafide
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11/13/2012 9:08pm
GuppyGahoo wrote:
I always thought that the production rule was holding them back more than anything.
I saw some wild stuff back back in '70 and '71,reworking shock angles,semi clear fenders,Ti
frames and much more.I was just a young teenager,wish I knew then what I know now,DUH!
observer
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11/13/2012 9:16pm
GuppyGahoo wrote:
I always thought that the production rule was holding them back more than anything.
bonafide wrote:
I saw some wild stuff back back in '70 and '71,reworking shock angles,semi clear fenders,Ti frames and much more.I was just a young teenager,wish I knew...
I saw some wild stuff back back in '70 and '71,reworking shock angles,semi clear fenders,Ti
frames and much more.I was just a young teenager,wish I knew then what I know now,DUH!
"I was just a young teenager,wish I knew then what I know now,DUH!"

Don't we all! Wink
bonafide
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11/13/2012 9:25pm
The picture I posted is of a '81 Honda works bike.It was outlawed before it ever was raced!
1981 these companies have incredible amounts of knowledge that we don't get to
see. The evolution of MX has been stifled since the claiming rule was instated .

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bonafide
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11/13/2012 9:32pm


This is a 1981 RCW125M,125cc,water cooled,TWIN CYLINDER, that the world never got to see.
TerryK
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11/13/2012 9:50pm
bonafide wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/11/13/1981_Honda_RCW125M_351328.png[/img] This is a 1981 RCW125M,125cc,water cooled,TWIN CYLINDER, that the world never got to see.


This is a 1981 RCW125M,125cc,water cooled,TWIN CYLINDER, that the world never got to see.
Always been one of my favorite works bikes. I would love to hear this thing on the pipe(s)...just once.
jock
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Fantasy
11/14/2012 2:16am
x2 Terry.
ehr400
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11/14/2012 2:20am
Didn't Gashton Rahier win the 125 WC on a twin cylinder RC125 in '82 or something?
11/14/2012 3:39am


gp circuit still has some pretty cool stuff once in a while , this was on the factory kawi's a number of years back (RIP jan)
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11/14/2012 3:49am
ehr400 wrote:
Didn't Gashton Rahier win the 125 WC on a twin cylinder RC125 in '82 or something?
Gaston Rahier won all his titles on single cylinder bikes. He did race the world championships for Gilera on a twin cylinder 125cc bike later in his career.
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11/14/2012 4:12am
I swore I read before in MXA he had raced a RC125 twin and the FIM saw the writing on the wall and made the rule of single cylinders only.
11/14/2012 5:07am
The claiming rule in pro racing has been removed from the rule book since the 70's. I think you're referring to the production rule, which I think is a good thing. If you want your factory team to be on top, you need to have a good stock bike. And a good stock bike is good for the consumer.

Actually I think they should bring back the claiming rule. Level out the playing field.
mikem
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11/14/2012 5:55am
ehr400 wrote:
I swore I read before in MXA he had raced a RC125 twin and the FIM saw the writing on the wall and made the rule...
I swore I read before in MXA he had raced a RC125 twin and the FIM saw the writing on the wall and made the rule of single cylinders only.
YOU may be thinking of Harry Everts and his PUCH.
rmpilot
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11/14/2012 7:22am Edited Date/Time 11/14/2012 7:23am
ehr400 wrote:
I swore I read before in MXA he had raced a RC125 twin and the FIM saw the writing on the wall and made the rule...
I swore I read before in MXA he had raced a RC125 twin and the FIM saw the writing on the wall and made the rule of single cylinders only.
mikem wrote:
YOU may be thinking of Harry Everts and his PUCH.
which was a twin carb. piston port, i believe, and rotary valve intakes.
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11/14/2012 7:33am
There's a real split personality on this board. On the one hand, people want it easier for the privateers cost and competition wise, including allowing same-displacement two strokes in the 250 class, and on the other hand people miss the days of works bikes, which were more unobtanium than 99% of the factory bikes today and magnified the gap the best riders have over guys struggling to make it.

I miss works bike. Not sure they reduce the cost of racing for anyone. Also not sure if they make any difference in who finishes where, whether we have them of not. The sexy trickery is more than awesome, though, that's for sure. Tongue

I'd submit that most talented riders always move to the front regardless of what they are riding, and those riders will always get the best equipment to make that gap bigger. Sounds circular, but it also means that most of the guys not succeeding at breaking into a top twenty position year in and year out without ever catching someone's eye are in that spot because they are not good enough, and not because of their equipment.

Okay, now I', mixing threads, sorry. Works bikes are damn cool. Miss 'em.
FreshTopEnd
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11/14/2012 7:39am
Don't think any of the twin 125's ever won a championship before they were banned.

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11/14/2012 9:03pm
Look at BobbyM. I can almost hear his soul as he looks at that bike.....
bonafide
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11/15/2012 5:47pm
Everybody noticed Eli Tomac at Bercy with a hydraulic clutch,didn't they?
Wonder if we get to see this in the US.
look out below
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11/15/2012 5:56pm
bonafide wrote:
Everybody noticed Eli Tomac at Bercy with a hydraulic clutch,didn't they?
Wonder if we get to see this in the US.
Honda has ran hydro clutches for years.

haydos25
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11/15/2012 5:57pm Edited Date/Time 11/15/2012 5:58pm
bonafide wrote:
Everybody noticed Eli Tomac at Bercy with a hydraulic clutch,didn't they?
Wonder if we get to see this in the US.
We have seen that on US honda factory bikes for many years already.

The question is when will we see it on the production bike. That could possibly be a good example of the production rule helping advance the bikes we buy off the dealer floors
Paul333
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11/15/2012 6:17pm
Why do we need the old style 'Works Bikes"?

Take a look at a current Muscle Milk Factory Honda or a Monster Energy Kawasaki. How much better are they going to get?

Hell, they already modify stock frames, engine cases, etc.

Now days a Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki is just as good.

Back in the old days no outside bikes came close to the works bikes. Times have changed.

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