Buying District Championship

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Each Riders top 22 Points Finishes per class will be scored towards the District MX Championship.

Who can afford to go to 22 races? Alot of these district races are also held on the same days as area and regional qualifiers and also loretta's. I see there is a guy who got last place every race who is gonna win the championship........

Who here is happy with the amount of races there district has? This is also hurting the tracks because of attendance.
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10/31/2012 3:50pm
im gonna bet you have never won a championship, its called a championship series for a reason, you got to be the guy with the most points at the end in order to win the series, most times that means going to every round, going to 22 races takes a big commitment, the champion will know what thats like, you wont
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Attendance awards, I think most that race know that. Just wondering why it would bother you?
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10/31/2012 5:21pm
8-12 races would be plenty if i was running the show. There would be no district races same day as areas or regionals.

Most familys cant afford to go to 10 races let alone over 20. Rider turnout sucks and you have 5 riders on the gate.

I dont know what the answer is but i know it could be improved.

ps Pete, you must be the guy who got last every race and won the series Smile
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10/31/2012 5:22pm Edited Date/Time 10/31/2012 5:23pm
yak651 wrote:
Attendance awards, I think most that race know that. Just wondering why it would bother you?
I got scholarship one time based off of attendance, these districts you speak of do you win money in these, or is it still for fun?

Attendance is everything for me now.

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10/31/2012 5:42pm
22 races is a lot, that's why we split our series up into Spring and Fall....12 rounds in each.
So there is a champ for each series that way if you want to you can concentrate on one or the other and still have time for other stuff.

We also try not to schedule opposite the Qualifiers or other big races.

Oh and OCR_snap.......Pete is definitely not a last place guy.....lol.
Pete was an A class champ here in the NESC back when bikes were steel and so were men.....still goes pretty good for an old guy.
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10/31/2012 6:22pm
I've won a few championships by winning just one race...

Like the D-37 Endurance Series 0-40: win the 24 hr/win the Series (Thanks JCR!)
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10/31/2012 6:35pm Edited Date/Time 11/1/2012 3:45am
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10/31/2012 6:41pm
Chains wrote:
Each Riders top 22 Points Finishes per class will be scored towards the District MX Championship. Who can afford to go to 22 races? Alot of...
Each Riders top 22 Points Finishes per class will be scored towards the District MX Championship.

Who can afford to go to 22 races? Alot of these district races are also held on the same days as area and regional qualifiers and also loretta's. I see there is a guy who got last place every race who is gonna win the championship........

Who here is happy with the amount of races there district has? This is also hurting the tracks because of attendance.
Sounds like its about 12 races too many. 10 races would be plenty.
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11/1/2012 2:14am
Chains wrote:
8-12 races would be plenty if i was running the show. There would be no district races same day as areas or regionals. Most familys cant...
8-12 races would be plenty if i was running the show. There would be no district races same day as areas or regionals.

Most familys cant afford to go to 10 races let alone over 20. Rider turnout sucks and you have 5 riders on the gate.

I dont know what the answer is but i know it could be improved.

ps Pete, you must be the guy who got last every race and won the series Smile
yup im the last place guy who won the championship on attendance alone,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,how many series have you won , jealous guy?
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11/1/2012 2:35am
If you cant attend every round I guess you can consider yourself out of the running for the championship eh? In all seriousness though, some sort of a drop 6 rule or something would be a good idea in that case. That wat people can take a couple rounds off, crash out of a couple rounds, have their 4 strokes explode ETC and still have a shot.
11/1/2012 4:01am
We run 6 championship races, and one off-season race in the fall. Gives people time to do something else, or race other series if they want. Attendance is going up and tué riders are having fun.
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11/1/2012 5:27am
We stopped trying to pick up series championships for this reason. It takes a huge commitment, especially with 22 races, and I think anyone who makes that commitment and gets the points deserves a championship. We just found it to hard to do, and there are multiple series in our area. So now we cherry pick races from any series that are at a track we like or are expected to have the biggest turnout. and go race. Even without a trophy at the end of the year, we know where we stack up against all the riders in the area.
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In our club Road Racing series we have a much shorter season more like 9 races due to cost ( about 10 times the cost of mx) They have a performance index points that goes along with the class points system which I think works pretty well. I for one would not feel like a champion if I didn't win a race and still won a c-ship, sorry that's just my opinion.(and yes I did win most of my races in the 2 c-ships I won that year). Now at the pro level I think it's a little different. I mean who the hell can commit the time to hit 22 races, if your married better plan on saving money for the divorce lawyer. lol
11/1/2012 7:46am
pete24 wrote:
im gonna bet you have never won a championship, its called a championship series for a reason, you got to be the guy with the most...
im gonna bet you have never won a championship, its called a championship series for a reason, you got to be the guy with the most points at the end in order to win the series, most times that means going to every round, going to 22 races takes a big commitment, the champion will know what thats like, you wont
For some people it has nothing to do with commitment, just simply a lack of funds. Someone who has to work for his racing money instead of having his parents pay for everything, or has other priorities that demand funds like a family, would know about this. I'm glad this apparently isn't a problem for you but you should at least learn that not everyone has boatloads of money to make it to 22 races, and be respectful of that and appreciative of what you have.
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I know of a family that does not miss a race for anything, even when they're 100 points ahead they still drive 200 miles to race at a track where there will be 3-4 kids in the class, confuses me but what would help this situation alot is races on Sunday practice on Saturday, This race race weekend sucks, And in Michigan there GLMX and District and both have two tracks racing and more with open practices, Riders are spread out all over too much, makes for small gates and struggling tracks, JMO
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11/1/2012 7:51am
I know some series take your top 12 finishes and if it's a tie then they move to most 1st places then 2nd places, That helps some
11/1/2012 7:54am
22 races are nothing, try winning a bmx district title.
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11/1/2012 11:11am
Chains wrote:
8-12 races would be plenty if i was running the show. There would be no district races same day as areas or regionals. Most familys cant...
8-12 races would be plenty if i was running the show. There would be no district races same day as areas or regionals.

Most familys cant afford to go to 10 races let alone over 20. Rider turnout sucks and you have 5 riders on the gate.

I dont know what the answer is but i know it could be improved.

ps Pete, you must be the guy who got last every race and won the series Smile
pete24 wrote:
yup im the last place guy who won the championship on attendance alone,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,how many series have you won , jealous guy?
and pete24 , you cad, your valued attendance* really hurt the tracks..!!!

*sarcasm alert for those silly enough to not get it.


and yes because a national promoter wants to hold a series, ALL the other tracks would be so much better off just not
operating when a regional or qualifier is in their general area, which in the midwest means the first three months of racing weather in the year.

This isn't a stab at LL's but some of you have things backwards.
and it isn't pete24.

grass roots racing starts where?


whining about having to go racing, sounds like crying in MX.
and that just seems weird to me Wink .

While it would be nice, there is no perfect solution,
free enterprise is a great concept, it naturally sorts out where people want to go,
some will chase one thing, others a different direction.
lack of funds is understandable in both cases.. there is no perfect solution for that either.


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11/1/2012 12:02pm Edited Date/Time 11/1/2012 2:06pm
MiSledder wrote:
I know of a family that does not miss a race for anything, even when they're 100 points ahead they still drive 200 miles to race...
I know of a family that does not miss a race for anything, even when they're 100 points ahead they still drive 200 miles to race at a track where there will be 3-4 kids in the class, confuses me but what would help this situation alot is races on Sunday practice on Saturday, This race race weekend sucks, And in Michigan there GLMX and District and both have two tracks racing and more with open practices, Riders are spread out all over too much, makes for small gates and struggling tracks, JMO
That is actually how we do it here in Virginia...we run an open paid practice on Saturdays until 1 or 2, and then ATV races in the afternoon. Then the usual small 3 lap practice on Sunday before races start. It was put in place probably 5-6 years ago and seems to work really well. We've experienced the same thing as far as rider turn-out goes, though...it seems to be slightly better with less races throughout the year, but we'll see how it goes.

Also, as far as area qualifiers go, we hold the district race at the same place, and it works out pretty well.
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11/1/2012 12:32pm Edited Date/Time 11/1/2012 12:33pm
We have switched to schedulling most of our series races on Saturdays so that folks that race other series events that are primarily Sunday....here in New England it's NESC....can ride the races they want.

I think you also have to look at the fact that we had a huge explosion in popularity for the sport in the 1998 - 2007ish era.
All of the sudden more tracks and more race orgs putting together series events kind of flooded the market so to speak.

When my son started racing in 2004 he would have to run a heat race to get on a 40 rider gate for the 65 Novice class, it was nuts.
Now there aren't as many riders but there are still more racing series, but that has started to be thinned out by the economy.
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My first year racing was in the 125 C class and we had a district points championship. The guy that won the points that year went to 103 races, as did quite a few others. I was on pace to do the same but broke my jaw and sustained a massive concussion so I sat the rest of the year out.

Guys were going to races on Sat and Sun, plus there was a fair series that had races at night during the week.

The only class that had riders going to that many races was the C class.
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11/1/2012 1:17pm
22, that's not much. D-16(Wisconsin and Upper Michigan) have 38 points paying races!!!!!
I don't go to too many races because my kids also play baseball, so I'm limited to about 4-5 tracks and hope to make 2-3 races all year.
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Chains wrote:
8-12 races would be plenty if i was running the show. There would be no district races same day as areas or regionals. Most familys cant...
8-12 races would be plenty if i was running the show. There would be no district races same day as areas or regionals.

Most familys cant afford to go to 10 races let alone over 20. Rider turnout sucks and you have 5 riders on the gate.

I dont know what the answer is but i know it could be improved.

ps Pete, you must be the guy who got last every race and won the series Smile
pete24 wrote:
yup im the last place guy who won the championship on attendance alone,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,how many series have you won , jealous guy?
Pete, I didnt start this topic to get into a pissing match with anybody. I was looking to email our district president and offer up some suggestions and was looking for opinions. My post topic was way off and i wish i would of went with something like, /To Many District Races/. I could give a rats ass if some guy wins his series with coming in last every race. All we want is to be able to compete in our local and district series.

I like the idea of splitting the season in half. I think that would really help attendance.
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UpTiTe wrote:
22 races are nothing, try winning a bmx district title.
No kidding.....We used to race bmx at 3 different tracks on the same day. About 300 miles driving.
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11/2/2012 3:03am
There is a local kid who rides at my house that chases points. He won't miss a race because the kid who he competes against goes to every one. All his Dad does is complain about the cost of going every weekend, how hard it is to keep the bikes together(85cc & super mini), and the time committment. I asked him one day why he did it and he replied "because it's what we do..." Personally I think it is crazy but to each their own. In my local district, class championships are usually "attendence" awards......
11/2/2012 3:33am
Huckster wrote:
There is a local kid who rides at my house that chases points. He won't miss a race because the kid who he competes against goes...
There is a local kid who rides at my house that chases points. He won't miss a race because the kid who he competes against goes to every one. All his Dad does is complain about the cost of going every weekend, how hard it is to keep the bikes together(85cc & super mini), and the time committment. I asked him one day why he did it and he replied "because it's what we do..." Personally I think it is crazy but to each their own. In my local district, class championships are usually "attendence" awards......
There are more than just a few families in our dtstrict that dont
pay their bills, and have lost home/ land, and many other things
to race mx?! I just do not understand going in debt, or losing
valueable's just to race mx on weekends. And as far as these Sat
Day Prac's that everyone raves about, its jut another way for the
people with $ to get more laps, it is a huge dis advantage to those
who cant spend ALL weekend at the track, but want to race.
nothing like showing up and getting 3 laps and racing against 10-20
others that have 100+ laps n from the day b4.
What ever happen to dialing a track in, in those few laps on sunday
and everyone playing on somewhat more equal ground?!
I basically quit moto and took up golf, becuase Moto has become
so in accessable. Even prac days, take all day because little jimmy's
need the track to themselves for 5-10 50's, or 65's etc...
Sux to have 75-200 sittn around while there is a class for every damn
bike size and skill size. takes All day to get ovr and hour of moto?
F that, golf is more challenging and WAY more accessable, moto is
a joke anymore in our area.!!
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11/2/2012 5:32am
Chains wrote:
8-12 races would be plenty if i was running the show. There would be no district races same day as areas or regionals. Most familys cant...
8-12 races would be plenty if i was running the show. There would be no district races same day as areas or regionals.

Most familys cant afford to go to 10 races let alone over 20. Rider turnout sucks and you have 5 riders on the gate.

I dont know what the answer is but i know it could be improved.

ps Pete, you must be the guy who got last every race and won the series Smile
pete24 wrote:
yup im the last place guy who won the championship on attendance alone,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,how many series have you won , jealous guy?
Chains wrote:
Pete, I didnt start this topic to get into a pissing match with anybody. I was looking to email our district president and offer up some...
Pete, I didnt start this topic to get into a pissing match with anybody. I was looking to email our district president and offer up some suggestions and was looking for opinions. My post topic was way off and i wish i would of went with something like, /To Many District Races/. I could give a rats ass if some guy wins his series with coming in last every race. All we want is to be able to compete in our local and district series.

I like the idea of splitting the season in half. I think that would really help attendance.
you didnt start a pissing match? you just pretty much accused me of ridding around in last to score points, call it what you want im done with this topic
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11/2/2012 8:32am
Huckster wrote:
There is a local kid who rides at my house that chases points. He won't miss a race because the kid who he competes against goes...
There is a local kid who rides at my house that chases points. He won't miss a race because the kid who he competes against goes to every one. All his Dad does is complain about the cost of going every weekend, how hard it is to keep the bikes together(85cc & super mini), and the time committment. I asked him one day why he did it and he replied "because it's what we do..." Personally I think it is crazy but to each their own. In my local district, class championships are usually "attendence" awards......
SunComfort wrote:
There are more than just a few families in our dtstrict that dont pay their bills, and have lost home/ land, and many other things to...
There are more than just a few families in our dtstrict that dont
pay their bills, and have lost home/ land, and many other things
to race mx?! I just do not understand going in debt, or losing
valueable's just to race mx on weekends. And as far as these Sat
Day Prac's that everyone raves about, its jut another way for the
people with $ to get more laps, it is a huge dis advantage to those
who cant spend ALL weekend at the track, but want to race.
nothing like showing up and getting 3 laps and racing against 10-20
others that have 100+ laps n from the day b4.
What ever happen to dialing a track in, in those few laps on sunday
and everyone playing on somewhat more equal ground?!
I basically quit moto and took up golf, becuase Moto has become
so in accessable. Even prac days, take all day because little jimmy's
need the track to themselves for 5-10 50's, or 65's etc...
Sux to have 75-200 sittn around while there is a class for every damn
bike size and skill size. takes All day to get ovr and hour of moto?
F that, golf is more challenging and WAY more accessable, moto is
a joke anymore in our area.!!
You go to the saturday practices for the seat time. You don't get better just racing, everyone knows that. MX racing is obviously not for the meek in terms of the riding, the time committiment and most importantly the financial side of it. I like the guy who said they know how they stack up with other riders without chasing points to get a championship. We do alot of two day practice/race deals because it is what we choose to do as a family and with our money. It seems to me that MX is way more accessable then over the last couple of years as people build practice tracks and alot of the tracks including Walnut here in Illinois have practice days most weekends during the season. Thankfully, those practice days existed over the last two summers because when times were a bit tougher, that is all we could justify in terms of the value and the seat time it offered. While I enjoy the excitement of racing, the practices provide so much more value and it seems much less drama. We showed up for a couple of vintage weekends to race in the modern support classes and my boys got called sand baggers for racing c class and placing in the top 3. WTF. The drama of some c class queens really put a damper on our weekend and for no good reason as we raced C all year and my other son was on a supermini bike. Crazy what people will do for a $10.00 trophy. That all being said, if people want to put in the time (and there is a lot), the effort (same thing) and the money, then good for them and why beat them down for it. Just ride and there is no crying in motocross.
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11/2/2012 9:32am
Huckster wrote:
There is a local kid who rides at my house that chases points. He won't miss a race because the kid who he competes against goes...
There is a local kid who rides at my house that chases points. He won't miss a race because the kid who he competes against goes to every one. All his Dad does is complain about the cost of going every weekend, how hard it is to keep the bikes together(85cc & super mini), and the time committment. I asked him one day why he did it and he replied "because it's what we do..." Personally I think it is crazy but to each their own. In my local district, class championships are usually "attendence" awards......
SunComfort wrote:
There are more than just a few families in our dtstrict that dont pay their bills, and have lost home/ land, and many other things to...
There are more than just a few families in our dtstrict that dont
pay their bills, and have lost home/ land, and many other things
to race mx?! I just do not understand going in debt, or losing
valueable's just to race mx on weekends. And as far as these Sat
Day Prac's that everyone raves about, its jut another way for the
people with $ to get more laps, it is a huge dis advantage to those
who cant spend ALL weekend at the track, but want to race.
nothing like showing up and getting 3 laps and racing against 10-20
others that have 100+ laps n from the day b4.
What ever happen to dialing a track in, in those few laps on sunday
and everyone playing on somewhat more equal ground?!
I basically quit moto and took up golf, becuase Moto has become
so in accessable. Even prac days, take all day because little jimmy's
need the track to themselves for 5-10 50's, or 65's etc...
Sux to have 75-200 sittn around while there is a class for every damn
bike size and skill size. takes All day to get ovr and hour of moto?
F that, golf is more challenging and WAY more accessable, moto is
a joke anymore in our area.!!
I'm always open to suggestions ,
However when you bring up issues that skirt into the area of self responsibility,
it seems to be crossing a line that any District should not be involved in?

The Districts are there to promote motorcycling, not restrict the number of events people could attend,so
that some random individual with poor judgement or sense of family budget doesn't
get in over their head or pay their normal life bills?
Almost any hobby has its costs and a participant needs to be aware of them , and participate as
their personal situation allows.
Trimming the number of opportunities to ride or race,
overall just seems a poor way to promote motorcycling.

I agree things can be worked on , and scheduling is a big part of it.

In the big picture overall , I don't feel the Districts should restrict events based on the possibility some riders choice might be to not pay their regular life bills, or follow any other series.
What next , i really want to go jet skiing 8 weeks a year as well, so the district should not hold events those weekends?
I think its better i just choose my own personal priorities , and be happy i can go racing any weekend i want.

The basic premise about scheduling suggested here ,has some merit, but it can get way out there,real fast?
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11/2/2012 1:58pm
What does a district championship really mean? to me it usually means you went to alot of races, To me they don't mean much,Nationals it what counts

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